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Okay, I agree we generally don't have the talent that we see
on the better Sun Belt teams. Why is that? Some want to blame Steve. Yes, he is the head coach so the buck stops there. However, we have had something like 8 different assistants over the last 5 years or so- Fricke, Autry, Robinson, Flanigan, Cunningham, Kleine, Golding all come quickly to mind. They probably do as much, or more, of the recruiting than Steve does. Are you suggesting that these guys can't recognize talent? Jeez, I can recognize talent and I'm certainly a long way from being a basketball coach. These coaches have well over a hundred years of combined basketball experience and they know what a good player looks like. So at the moment I can only come up with a couple of explanations why we don't get the talent some other schools do; 1. Despite our great facility, UALR is still not the easiest place to recruit to- high school students are looking for a diverse campus life, not a commuter school. 2. We really do place a high emphasis on bringing in kids with high character and the desire to be "real" students- There is no doubt this is the case based on our graduation rates and the lack of "getting in the paper for the wrong reasons". So I believe that we probably pass on a lot of "talented" players because we don't want our team and university regularly appearing on the police blotter. Personally, I support our staff if this is the case, even if it means a few less wins on the court.

How does ASU get better talent? I believe that they have regularly had some "thugs" on their team over the years, based on arrest reports both while they are in school and when their eligibility is over. With regard to the current situation, Brady has an advantage we don't. He has taken a team to the Final Four and has connections at the upper echelon of the basketball world. He can get in kid's houses that would never have given ASU a second glance in the past. Probably it is no coincidence, that Brady and Mike Jarvis are leading their respective divisions.
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RE: Okay, I agree we generally don't have the talent that we see
So, we can't recruit jucos that are more about playing than going to football games and getting drunk with some co-ed's? Recruit what you can, if that is juco's and transfers, fine.

We should be able to recruit juco's on equal ground with anyone. We can offer playing time and for a big guy we can offer Joe and an offense that runs through the post.
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RE: Okay, I agree we generally don't have the talent that we see
(02-05-2010 12:53 AM)mjs Wrote:  on the better Sun Belt teams. Why is that? Some want to blame Steve. Yes, he is the head coach so the buck stops there. However, we have had something like 8 different assistants over the last 5 years or so- Fricke, Autry, Robinson, Flanigan, Cunningham, Kleine, Golding all come quickly to mind. They probably do as much, or more, of the recruiting than Steve does. Are you suggesting that these guys can't recognize talent? Jeez, I can recognize talent and I'm certainly a long way from being a basketball coach. These coaches have well over a hundred years of combined basketball experience and they know what a good player looks like. So at the moment I can only come up with a couple of explanations why we don't get the talent some other schools do; 1. Despite our great facility, UALR is still not the easiest place to recruit to- high school students are looking for a diverse campus life, not a commuter school. 2. We really do place a high emphasis on bringing in kids with high character and the desire to be "real" students- There is no doubt this is the case based on our graduation rates and the lack of "getting in the paper for the wrong reasons". So I believe that we probably pass on a lot of "talented" players because we don't want our team and university regularly appearing on the police blotter. Personally, I support our staff if this is the case, even if it means a few less wins on the court.

How does ASU get better talent? I believe that they have regularly had some "thugs" on their team over the years, based on arrest reports both while they are in school and when their eligibility is over. With regard to the current situation, Brady has an advantage we don't. He has taken a team to the Final Four and has connections at the upper echelon of the basketball world. He can get in kid's houses that would never have given ASU a second glance in the past. Probably it is no coincidence, that Brady and Mike Jarvis are leading their respective divisions.

I think you make some very good points. Assuming we can evaluate talent, then either we can't or don't want to recruit it for some of the reasons which you pointed out. But at some point, if this program is ever to grow, there has to be some compromise between talent and other factors.

No thugs, but if a kid is talented enough to be a great player at our level, and can take coaching, then as long as he can pass enough courses to stay eligible, sign him. I know this won't set well with some of you educators, but that young man isn't going to be a rocket scientist anyway, and he will get some exposure to education and college social life , and then play pro ball, either overseas, or in the NBA. It would be nice if everyone of our players ended up being economically successful in life, and they should be given that opportunity, but don't pass on kids who can help you win games. That's what the basketball program at the D1 level is about, like it or not.04-cheers
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RE: Okay, I agree we generally don't have the talent that we see
(02-05-2010 11:30 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 12:53 AM)mjs Wrote:  on the better Sun Belt teams. Why is that? Some want to blame Steve. Yes, he is the head coach so the buck stops there. However, we have had something like 8 different assistants over the last 5 years or so- Fricke, Autry, Robinson, Flanigan, Cunningham, Kleine, Golding all come quickly to mind. They probably do as much, or more, of the recruiting than Steve does. Are you suggesting that these guys can't recognize talent? Jeez, I can recognize talent and I'm certainly a long way from being a basketball coach. These coaches have well over a hundred years of combined basketball experience and they know what a good player looks like. So at the moment I can only come up with a couple of explanations why we don't get the talent some other schools do; 1. Despite our great facility, UALR is still not the easiest place to recruit to- high school students are looking for a diverse campus life, not a commuter school. 2. We really do place a high emphasis on bringing in kids with high character and the desire to be "real" students- There is no doubt this is the case based on our graduation rates and the lack of "getting in the paper for the wrong reasons". So I believe that we probably pass on a lot of "talented" players because we don't want our team and university regularly appearing on the police blotter. Personally, I support our staff if this is the case, even if it means a few less wins on the court.

How does ASU get better talent? I believe that they have regularly had some "thugs" on their team over the years, based on arrest reports both while they are in school and when their eligibility is over. With regard to the current situation, Brady has an advantage we don't. He has taken a team to the Final Four and has connections at the upper echelon of the basketball world. He can get in kid's houses that would never have given ASU a second glance in the past. Probably it is no coincidence, that Brady and Mike Jarvis are leading their respective divisions.

I think you make some very good points. Assuming we can evaluate talent, then either we can't or don't want to recruit it for some of the reasons which you pointed out. But at some point, if this program is ever to grow, there has to be some compromise between talent and other factors.

No thugs, but if a kid is talented enough to be a great player at our level, and can take coaching, then as long as he can pass enough courses to stay eligible, sign him. I know this won't set well with some of you educators, but that young man isn't going to be a rocket scientist anyway, and he will get some exposure to education and college social life , and then play pro ball, either overseas, or in the NBA. It would be nice if everyone of our players ended up being economically successful in life, and they should be given that opportunity, but don't pass on kids who can help you win games. That's what the basketball program at the D1 level is about, like it or not.04-cheers

I think it is obvious we have tried to sign kids who are academic risks. But I don't want criminals, I don't care how good they are. Jejuan Brown just got off suspension for some type of behavior problem (I believe it involved legal authorities but I can't remember for sure). Now he is arrested for counterfeiting after police entered his residence after smelling drugs coming from his apt. He still played 20 minutes last night. ASU can run that type of program, but I'm not going to support that kind of program here.
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RE: Okay, I agree we generally don't have the talent that we see
(02-05-2010 12:22 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 11:30 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 12:53 AM)mjs Wrote:  on the better Sun Belt teams. Why is that? Some want to blame Steve. Yes, he is the head coach so the buck stops there. However, we have had something like 8 different assistants over the last 5 years or so- Fricke, Autry, Robinson, Flanigan, Cunningham, Kleine, Golding all come quickly to mind. They probably do as much, or more, of the recruiting than Steve does. Are you suggesting that these guys can't recognize talent? Jeez, I can recognize talent and I'm certainly a long way from being a basketball coach. These coaches have well over a hundred years of combined basketball experience and they know what a good player looks like. So at the moment I can only come up with a couple of explanations why we don't get the talent some other schools do; 1. Despite our great facility, UALR is still not the easiest place to recruit to- high school students are looking for a diverse campus life, not a commuter school. 2. We really do place a high emphasis on bringing in kids with high character and the desire to be "real" students- There is no doubt this is the case based on our graduation rates and the lack of "getting in the paper for the wrong reasons". So I believe that we probably pass on a lot of "talented" players because we don't want our team and university regularly appearing on the police blotter. Personally, I support our staff if this is the case, even if it means a few less wins on the court.

How does ASU get better talent? I believe that they have regularly had some "thugs" on their team over the years, based on arrest reports both while they are in school and when their eligibility is over. With regard to the current situation, Brady has an advantage we don't. He has taken a team to the Final Four and has connections at the upper echelon of the basketball world. He can get in kid's houses that would never have given ASU a second glance in the past. Probably it is no coincidence, that Brady and Mike Jarvis are leading their respective divisions.

I think you make some very good points. Assuming we can evaluate talent, then either we can't or don't want to recruit it for some of the reasons which you pointed out. But at some point, if this program is ever to grow, there has to be some compromise between talent and other factors.

No thugs, but if a kid is talented enough to be a great player at our level, and can take coaching, then as long as he can pass enough courses to stay eligible, sign him. I know this won't set well with some of you educators, but that young man isn't going to be a rocket scientist anyway, and he will get some exposure to education and college social life , and then play pro ball, either overseas, or in the NBA. It would be nice if everyone of our players ended up being economically successful in life, and they should be given that opportunity, but don't pass on kids who can help you win games. That's what the basketball program at the D1 level is about, like it or not.04-cheers

I think it is obvious we have tried to sign kids who are academic risks. But I don't want criminals, I don't care how good they are. Jejuan Brown just got off suspension for some type of behavior problem (I believe it involved legal authorities but I can't remember for sure). Now he is arrested for counterfeiting after police entered his residence after smelling drugs coming from his apt. He still played 20 minutes last night. ASU can run that type of program, but I'm not going to support that kind of program here.
Brown's suspension was for the same incident. He hasn't had anything prior to this. Did you guys stop letting Mark Green play for the whole year when he was accused? If you are recruiting college athletes you are going to have some issues like that. It's pretty universal.
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(02-05-2010 12:46 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 12:22 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 11:30 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  
(02-05-2010 12:53 AM)mjs Wrote:  on the better Sun Belt teams. Why is that? Some want to blame Steve. Yes, he is the head coach so the buck stops there. However, we have had something like 8 different assistants over the last 5 years or so- Fricke, Autry, Robinson, Flanigan, Cunningham, Kleine, Golding all come quickly to mind. They probably do as much, or more, of the recruiting than Steve does. Are you suggesting that these guys can't recognize talent? Jeez, I can recognize talent and I'm certainly a long way from being a basketball coach. These coaches have well over a hundred years of combined basketball experience and they know what a good player looks like. So at the moment I can only come up with a couple of explanations why we don't get the talent some other schools do; 1. Despite our great facility, UALR is still not the easiest place to recruit to- high school students are looking for a diverse campus life, not a commuter school. 2. We really do place a high emphasis on bringing in kids with high character and the desire to be "real" students- There is no doubt this is the case based on our graduation rates and the lack of "getting in the paper for the wrong reasons". So I believe that we probably pass on a lot of "talented" players because we don't want our team and university regularly appearing on the police blotter. Personally, I support our staff if this is the case, even if it means a few less wins on the court.

How does ASU get better talent? I believe that they have regularly had some "thugs" on their team over the years, based on arrest reports both while they are in school and when their eligibility is over. With regard to the current situation, Brady has an advantage we don't. He has taken a team to the Final Four and has connections at the upper echelon of the basketball world. He can get in kid's houses that would never have given ASU a second glance in the past. Probably it is no coincidence, that Brady and Mike Jarvis are leading their respective divisions.

I think you make some very good points. Assuming we can evaluate talent, then either we can't or don't want to recruit it for some of the reasons which you pointed out. But at some point, if this program is ever to grow, there has to be some compromise between talent and other factors.

No thugs, but if a kid is talented enough to be a great player at our level, and can take coaching, then as long as he can pass enough courses to stay eligible, sign him. I know this won't set well with some of you educators, but that young man isn't going to be a rocket scientist anyway, and he will get some exposure to education and college social life , and then play pro ball, either overseas, or in the NBA. It would be nice if everyone of our players ended up being economically successful in life, and they should be given that opportunity, but don't pass on kids who can help you win games. That's what the basketball program at the D1 level is about, like it or not.04-cheers

I think it is obvious we have tried to sign kids who are academic risks. But I don't want criminals, I don't care how good they are. Jejuan Brown just got off suspension for some type of behavior problem (I believe it involved legal authorities but I can't remember for sure). Now he is arrested for counterfeiting after police entered his residence after smelling drugs coming from his apt. He still played 20 minutes last night. ASU can run that type of program, but I'm not going to support that kind of program here.
Brown's suspension was for the same incident. He hasn't had anything prior to this. Did you guys stop letting Mark Green play for the whole year when he was accused? If you are recruiting college athletes you are going to have some issues like that. It's pretty universal.

He was accused, but I believe never prosecuted and certainly not convicted of anything. Mr. Brown basically admitted to a federal offense from what the article in the paper said.
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I don't have a clue what is going on with Brown but based on what happened at WKU, I'm guessing its not all so cut and dried, except there the player didn't miss any games.

As to the thug comments. I've watched college athletics to know one thing is certain. Fans who talk up the thug angle tend to soon be forced to eat their words.
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(02-05-2010 02:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't have a clue what is going on with Brown but based on what happened at WKU, I'm guessing its not all so cut and dried, except there the player didn't miss any games.

As to the thug comments. I've watched college athletics to know one thing is certain. Fans who talk up the thug angle tend to soon be forced to eat their words.

I have that thought in the back of my head everytime I post something on this subject. Obviously something could happen today...or tomorrow. But, the fact is UALR athletics has been amazingly "clean" for many years. I guess as I've gotten older, I'm more willing to accept a few less wins to have a program I can be proud of off the court.
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