1. Marquette $10,306,548
2. Louisville $8,625,245
3. Syracuse $7,784,244
4. Georgetown $7,405,214
5. Connecticut $6,796,942
6. Villanova $5,959,931
7. West Virginia $5,963,760
8. Pittsburgh $5,337,512
9. Seton Hall $5,200,805
10. St. John's $4,729,555
11. Providence 4,637,423
12. Notre Dame $4,380,691
13. Cincinnati $4,011,357
14. Rutgers $3,793,356
15. DePaul $3,257,409
16. South Florida $2,927,362

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi...full.story

Does anyone else see a correlation between money spent and success on the basketball court? There are a few aberrations(Marquette at the top, Pitt at 8th) But for the most part it seems like the schools that invest the resources reap the rewards.

Definitely works for the most part in the BE. My Owls do pretty well @ $3M a year, though.

The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

(01-15-2010 01:20 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

I was wondering if that included rent at the Bradley Center.

(01-15-2010 03:13 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 01:20 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

I was wondering if that included rent at the Bradley Center.

Maybe its salaires? Did Marquette travel more? Who knows?

(01-15-2010 04:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 03:13 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 01:20 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

I was wondering if that included rent at the Bradley Center.

Maybe its salaires? Did Marquette travel more? Who knows?

I don't know either, I wish we had some Marquette fans around to give us some insight.

(01-15-2010 03:13 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 01:20 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

I was wondering if that included rent at the Bradley Center.

Yes, those figures include rent paid at arenas not owned by the college team.

Cheers,
Neil

If Rutgers just increased the budget by 50% there would be an insane difference in the product on the court. The facilities upgrades that are now being discussed are a good start. But we need to go out there and spend the money on a legitimate coach who can take this program back to where things were heading in the 70s before leveling out for the 80s and early 90s and beginning a slow but steady descent ever since. Rutgers with the Philly/SE PA, NJ, and NYC/LI/SE NY/SW CT talent pools just smothering them should at worst be a fairly consistent NCAA team who in a bad season is competing for the NIT Championship. At best we should be right there with Pitt, UConn, Cuse, WVU, Louisville, Cincy, Georgetown, Nova and Temple in terms of in-league and regional programs.

(01-16-2010 01:09 AM)brista21 Wrote:  If Rutgers just increased the budget by 50% there would be an insane difference in the product on the court. The facilities upgrades that are now being discussed are a good start. But we need to go out there and spend the money on a legitimate coach who can take this program back to where things were heading in the 70s before leveling out for the 80s and early 90s and beginning a slow but steady descent ever since. Rutgers with the Philly/SE PA, NJ, and NYC/LI/SE NY/SW CT talent pools just smothering them should at worst be a fairly consistent NCAA team who in a bad season is competing for the NIT Championship. At best we should be right there with Pitt, UConn, Cuse, WVU, Louisville, Cincy, Georgetown, Nova and Temple in terms of in-league and regional programs.

I always wondered how Rutgers could continually underperform in both basketball and football for decade after decade. The football team has improved considerably in the last few years, but before Greg Schiano arrived Rutgers was notorious for being one of the worst football teams in college. New Jersey produces a lot of football recruits and with Rutgers being the state university for New Jersey I always wondered why they were so bad before Schiano arrived.
In basketball, its the same story. How can a university that is really close to the best recruiting area in the country New York city continually underperform. New Jersey produces a decent number of basketball players too. I never understood how Rutgers could not get better in basketball for decade after decade through the 90s and 00s.

Marquette pays $19,600 per game to rent the Bradley Center (Source). Marquette has 18 home games scheduled this season, making their total rent costs for the year $352,900.

I doubt you will see USF rise from the bottom part in the near future. Just like the Big Three in our state football will be the big money maker and it will be football that eventually feeds basketball.

(01-15-2010 06:14 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 04:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 03:13 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-15-2010 01:20 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  The last two have A10 sized budgets.
How does Marquette have 3 times the expenses of DePaul? What can you possibly spend the money on? Those numbers usually don't include facilities...

I was wondering if that included rent at the Bradley Center.

Maybe its salaires? Did Marquette travel more? Who knows?

I don't know either, I wish we had some Marquette fans around to give us some insight.

I would guess Bradley Center rent, MBB share of Al McGuire center operating expenses, scholarship costs, coaches salaries, recruiting and whatever else they could throw in the mix is included in that number.

(01-16-2010 02:50 AM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(01-16-2010 02:14 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  In basketball, its the same story. How can a university that is really close to the best recruiting area in the country New York city continually underperform.

Because unlike football, there are several viable options that would allow NYC recruits to play at the highest level possible (DI, recall that there is no DI-AA in basketball) far closer to home than traveling all the way to central Jersey. St. John's, Columbia, Manhattan, Fordham, St. Francis, et al, all have DI teams inside the five boros. Nearby Long Island has Hofstra, Stony Brook, et al. If recruits decide to go upstate they can choose from Cornell, Siena, Binghamton, and others. Jersey's Seton Hall is also closer to NYC than is Rutgers. Syracuse is the only other viable option for nearby football recruits desiring to play at the highest level, but basketball recruits have a plethora of other options, any one of which may be deemed as more attractive than Rutgers, especially geographically. Rutger's biggest advantage over most of these schools is Big East affiliation, but again, basketball adds teams like St. John's and Seton Hall to the equation, neither of which would be factors in football.

As BCS money continues to drive improvements in Rutgers facilities, the other options won't continue to look as attractive. Eventually, the disparity of funding will shift the demographics somewhat...

(01-14-2010 05:49 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  16. South Florida $2,927,362

Does anyone else see a correlation between money spent and success on the basketball court?

I see a sad, strong positive correlation between USF's lack of spending and our bad results on the court. We really are a C-USA level program, maybe not even that, playing in the best league around. We're going to take a lot more lumps this year, and there's no end in sight ...

Heath is actually making a dent, we were just far behind. Im not saying we will become atop level BE basketball program, but I think we are capable of being a middle of the pack that makes the NCAA once every four years and makes the NIT at least once in same 4 year period.
If Gilchrist hadn not gotten hurt this year USF could have beaten ND and in good shape for NIT. Next year we should have back most of our best players and we should be better.

(01-16-2010 12:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Heath is actually making a dent, we were just far behind. Im not saying we will become atop level BE basketball program, but I think we are capable of being a middle of the pack that makes the NCAA once every four years and makes the NIT at least once in same 4 year period.
If Gilchrist hadn not gotten hurt this year USF could have beaten ND and in good shape for NIT. Next year we should have back most of our best players and we should be better.

I can't argue with any of this, it all seems reasonable. But as someone who has been waiting for almost 30 years for USF to become a true big-conference level program, i'll believe it when i see it.