(01-12-2010 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me.

No, it would clearly be a move up. USF is half-way between ECU and say a big power like Michigan.

USF is much, much closer to ECU than "half-way" between ECU and Michigan.

Skip will take ECU to a BCS conference if he stays. If he goes to USF he will do well there. Hate to see him go if he does but I'll wish him the best and thank him for what he's done for us at ECU.

Skip has stated several times that he wants to build ECU into another VT and his son is starting highschool and a good shot at the starting qb position. Those things may come into play as well. Who knows.

(01-12-2010 02:23 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  The elite programs won't come calling for Skip from ECU.

Not elite programs, flagship universities with resources will ie. South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, NC State, UConn, etc. All are better jobs than USF because of available resources and their priority in their state.

(01-12-2010 02:37 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Really? In 1991 Georgia Tech took our coach after finishing #1. I guess winning the National Championship doesn't qualify as "elite."

I suspect only Georgia Tech fans would consider them an elite program. And get your facts straight: Georgia Tech was coming of an Aloha Bowl and an 8 win season when Bobby Ross left.

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

(01-12-2010 02:43 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 02:23 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  The elite programs won't come calling for Skip from ECU.

Not elite programs, flagship universities with resources will ie. South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, NC State, UConn, etc. All are better jobs than USF because of available resources and their priority in their state.

That is your opinion, but most people disagree with you. There is a reason one recent article stated the USF job was the "Golden Ticket" for a coach. None of the places you mentioned are better jobs than USF.

(01-12-2010 02:48 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 02:37 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Really? In 1991 Georgia Tech took our coach after finishing #1. I guess winning the National Championship doesn't qualify as "elite."

I suspect only Georgia Tech fans would consider them an elite program. And get your facts straight: Georgia Tech was coming of an Aloha Bowl and an 8 win season when Bobby Ross left.

Sorry, they finished #1 after the 1990 season. Yes, at that time, they were one of the "elite."

(01-12-2010 11:38 AM)MemphisTger Wrote:  Word from my sources is that Calvin Magee, Fulmer, and Mike Canales have a upper hand on Holtz and Carl Franks. Do not be surprised if Magee or Canales get the nod. My sources have also stated that USF is staying clear of Terry Bowden for now. Word is that USF is hoping to pay 1.5 to 2.3 for a head coach.

Memphis, I am not going to doubt your sources as you have really been on the money with your information, but I have heard from a person really close to the program that SH was offered the job this morning. This person informed me that SH wants to ensure that USF is committed the same way ECU is committed to football in terms of strong student and community support, upgraded football facilities, possible future on-campus stadium, fundraising, and has some personal questions in terms of quality of life issues. This person also stated that SH, his wife, and his kids love Greenville and coastal Carolina and loves ECU and their AD and ECU's commitment towards football and to athletics in general and loves the support that they have from the community, region, and in their state. This person also stated that SH's and their AD's goal is to get into a BCS conference either the Big East, SEC, or ACC within the next 5 years. This person is not sure if SH will accept the job but he has been offered the position.

(01-12-2010 10:51 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 10:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 12:31 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  That is bad news for ECU, good news for USF.

Not sure its good news for either school. We almost had a mutiny on our hands when word leaked Skip wanted the UC job.

Skip's style of play would be such a departure from what they've seen in Cincy during the last few years, that it would have been a disaster had he wound up the head coach up there.

I think the Bulls are a much better fit for him, but obviously I'm hoping he stays in Greenville.

Have you seen the offense Groethe and BJ ran at USF? I think USF is in for culture shock if they start grinding it out.

Message board posting update from WITN 7 Sports Director Billy Weaver re: Skip Holtz as of 4:11 PM:

Just talked to Skip by phone... and first of all... rumors that he's
already taken the job at USF are FALSE.

Rumors that he's already been offered the job... FALSE.

Did he say he would listen to USF... yes. But that's no different
than any other time in the past. He has always listened to other
offers and seemed to always come back to ECU.

Bottom line is that coaching is a job... a VERY high profile job,
but a job none the less and like any other employee at any other job
in America you listen to what people have to say.

That's all he's doing.

He has always been very up front with the media and ECU fans about
that and I respect him for being up front. He is a very special
coach and person. I have worked with and around more than my fair
share of college coaches and NONE of them have ever been as honest
as Skip Holtz. Most of them would not give you the time of day when
it came to coaching rumors... and one former ECU coach made it very
clear that you better not even ask him about coaching rumors.

Hope this clears a few things up.

Im sure that the next time we hear from Skip is accepting the USF job or withdrawing his name from consideration.
The reality of college athletics is that he is NOT going to set himself up to then have the job go somewhereelse and have the ECU fans PO that he had looked into leaving. So if he withdraws his name could be he decided not to take it or USF is going in different direction. But either way taking his name out of consideration saves face.
We will find out soon.

(01-12-2010 10:43 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Skip has already turned down Big East schools before. Recruiting ground and family living close is nice. I personally think ECU will pony up and match whatever money USF is offering. ECU has you beat on facilities right now and expaning on that as well...but I know USF is upping all that in the next few years too.

ECU is the leading candidate in football quality to the Big East. I think Holtz has the same love for ECU as Leavitt has for USF. It's hard to let go of that, considering Skip feels ECU will be BCS someday with or without him.

It's a good hire for USF but if I had to put money on it I would say he stays at ECU (wouldn't put a lot of money but still lol)

How does ECU have USF beat in facilities? I would compare our football building and upcomnig upgrades with any facility in the state of Florida. Our weight room is the second biggest in the state, to UF.

USF doesn't have their own stadium, but neither did Miami, UCLA, USC or scores of other successful programs. An OCS really is not a huge priority, but on the master plan.

Why do UCF fans always think they are the only ones who have decent facilities? UCONN's, UL, UC, RU and USF all have excellent football facilities. In terms of indoor practice facilities, its another luxury as nobody else in the state has a similar building. It's like if I said that just b/c USF will be the only school in Florida with an artificial turf practice field all other facilities are inferior.

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

(01-12-2010 10:35 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Holtz is better than Tommy Bowden or Dan McCarney, two names that popped up originally.

I agree.

(01-12-2010 05:21 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

What fallout from recruiting? There hasn't been any fallout. And ECU is not the flagship university in its area. What the hell are you smoking?

(01-12-2010 05:21 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

Actually USF was scheduled to have a small recruiting class this year. I believe somewhere between 16-20. Three are already enrolled and I would expect the new coach to really have to work on keeping 4-5 of the presently committed and go after 4-5 more. So you are looking at 8-10 recruits max.

(01-12-2010 05:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 05:21 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

Actually USF was scheduled to have a small recruiting class this year. I believe somewhere between 16-20. Three are already enrolled and I would expect the new coach to really have to work on keeping 4-5 of the presently committed and go after 4-5 more. So you are looking at 8-10 recruits max.

And you know, that actually works to the new coach's advantage, because alot of times the old coaches players didn't fit the new coaches' vision. Now, if some recruits back out, he has scholarships to play with.

(01-12-2010 03:10 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 02:48 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 02:37 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  Really? In 1991 Georgia Tech took our coach after finishing #1. I guess winning the National Championship doesn't qualify as "elite."

I suspect only Georgia Tech fans would consider them an elite program. And get your facts straight: Georgia Tech was coming of an Aloha Bowl and an 8 win season when Bobby Ross left.

Sorry, they finished #1 after the 1990 season. Yes, at that time, they were one of the "elite."

Wrong. BYU won a national title 25 years ago and they aren't elite. Ditto Colorado who split a national title with Georgia Tech. Ross' last year with Georgia Tech was 1991 and they went 8-5.

(01-12-2010 05:26 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 05:21 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

What fallout from recruiting? There hasn't been any fallout. And ECU is not the flagship university in its area. What the hell are you smoking?

There hasn't been a fallout yet from recruiting, but there usually is when you have coaches fired. Skip Holtz would probably be looking at a job at a flagship university as his next step. A school like South Carolina. USF is a step up, but not enough to take the risk of leaving a secure job.

(01-12-2010 06:19 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 05:26 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 05:21 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 03:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-12-2010 01:55 PM)Tbags4Dbags Wrote:  Seems like a lateral move to me. Sure USF is BCS but it's a program that he would have to rebuild, he would never get the BIG bucks there, and ultimately he would be looking for a bigger job. If there isn't a significaqnt pay increase, I would stay at ECU for a better job ie. flagship institution.

He wouldn't have to "rebuild" as you say, USf has average 8-9 wins just about every year since joining BE. The talent is there, trust me.

Surely any coach that takes over is going to have to rebuild after the fall out from this recruiting class, and the players names being released. USF biggest asset is that they are in a recruiting hotbed which will help them recover faster. As far as resources go being the flagship university of Virginia, Maryland, SC, or NC is much better than the #3 state university (no matter how large the state is).

What fallout from recruiting? There hasn't been any fallout. And ECU is not the flagship university in its area. What the hell are you smoking?

There hasn't been a fallout yet from recruiting, but there usually is when you have coaches fired. Skip Holtz would probably be looking at a job at a flagship university as his next step. A school like South Carolina. USF is a step up, but not enough to take the risk of leaving a secure job.

We will find out soon enough according to the newsobserver a paper from NC he is meeting with our AD this evening.