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About time! I hope St John's does the same unless the Redmen surprise me and finish as strong as their early play suggested they could.
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-- Why wasn't this done at the end of last year?

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DePaul will have a hard time competing in the Big East...hopefully Frank The Tank comes in gives us what he sees as the problems and the possible solutions.
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Could this be a pressure move by the Big East regarding expansion or contraction efforst?
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(01-11-2010 10:05 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Could this be a pressure move by the Big East regarding expansion or contraction efforst?

No, this is what happens when you've lost 22 in a row and you're getting 4,000 a game.
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(01-11-2010 04:47 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  -- Why wasn't this done at the end of last year?
My question exactly. Waiting until the beginning of this season was self defeating, and eliminated any chance for a good season this year...
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This was a move that should've occurred 2 years ago. The problem was that DePaul was so scared of hiring a Dave Leitao-type that would leave for more money after having success (which is simply a reality every single program has to face except for maybe the very top 4 or 5 programs in the country - I mean, Roy Williams left KANSAS to return to UNC), they went for Jerry Wainwright who would consider the DePaul job as a "dream job" that he'd never leave. Of course, that was the problem: this guy wouldn't leave unless kicked out. If you haven't seen this, I wrote a blog post about the problems of the DePaul program last winter. Pretty much everything still applies today:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2009/0...ss-report/
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Is Isiah Thomas from Chicago? Mike Jarvis was good in metro areas, Boston, DC, and NYC, but he seems more of an east coast guy.
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(01-11-2010 12:32 PM)esayem Wrote:  Is Isiah Thomas from Chicago? Mike Jarvis was good in metro areas, Boston, DC, and NYC, but he seems more of an east coast guy.

I don't see either of those guys working. I think Jarvis is a blowhard who's opinion of himself far exceeds his coaching ability. Thomas is a trainwreck waiting to happen...again.
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Not sure if he is head coach material yet, but Rod Strickland would be a good alum pick. Not sure on his coaching abilities, but many say he relates to players really well.

Also, do people in Chicago even support DePaul? I have spent a great deal of there on business over the past few years, and rarely do I see or hear anything of DePaul.
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(01-11-2010 02:27 PM)Sandiss Wrote:  Not sure if he is head coach material yet, but Rod Strickland would be a good alum pick. Not sure on his coaching abilities, but many say he relates to players really well.

Also, do people in Chicago even support DePaul? I have spent a great deal of there on business over the past few years, and rarely do I see or hear anything of DePaul.

DePaul support has been crushed over the past decade. As far as college sports are concerned, it's a Big Ten overall/Illinois basketball/Notre Dame football city as of now.

That being said, DePaul also has a place in the city's psyche as St. John's does for NYC - the support seems dormant due to many bad seasons, but support will pop up dramatically with some signs of success. If DePaul becomes a competitive program again (and it really hasn't been that long since they were competitive), then it becomes extremely valuable to the Big East. I have a lot of issues with DePaul's handling of its entry into the Big East, but if I'm running the conference, you can't really give up on the Chicago market just as you can't really give up on St. John's in the NYC market. Frankly, DePaul's attendance isn't that bad considering how horrible they've been compared to the rest of the Big East:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Co...basketball

That shows that there's some long-term support behind the program, which is a key factor.
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Don't forget that DePaul is no Providence-sized college. As noted in Wikipedia, "The student body consists of about 25,100 students...making DePaul the largest Roman Catholic university and one of the 10 largest private universities in the United States; it is the largest private university in Illinois."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depaul_university
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Billy Clyde Gillespie is looking for work.
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(01-11-2010 04:13 PM)subflea Wrote:  Billy Clyde Gillespie is looking for work.

They want to see if Webster can handle the coaching aspect of the game. He is already known as a great recruiter. That is why JW got canned now. If Webster does a good job the rest of the year, he will be named coach. If he struggles, they will open up the job. Don't know if BG would be a candidate. DePaul is hard to predict.
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Maybe Depaul should start football
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Maybe Robert Montgomery Knight! At the very least it would get Dikie V on board for DEPAUL. 03-lmfao
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Can DePaul pay top dollar for a big time coach? Reading the comments on the ESPN article, it seems DePaul cannot compete with other Big East schools financially.
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Updated: January 11, 2010, 9:36 PM ET
DePaul losing local talentBlue Demons have ignored some of state's top high school programsComment Email Print Share By Scott Powers
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CHICAGO -- Tracy Dildy had a simple plan for returning DePaul to its once successful past when he was hired as a Blue Demons assistant in 1997.

Dildy's strategy was to make DePaul Chicago's program again. He was going to recruit the city and recruit it hard. He made stops off the Kennedy Expressway to talk to coaches and players. He connected to the Eisenhower and delivered his pitch on the West Side. He then maneuvered around traffic on the Dan Ryan and hit up the South Side.

DePaul's ability to recruit players from Chicago has taken a hit since Whitney Young's Quentin Richardson played there.One day, Julian's Lance Williams, a big-bodied power forward, had heard enough from Dildy and decided DePaul was the school for him.

"He was the first one who could see the vision," said Dildy, who is now an assistant coach at UIC. "Lance was the first guy who said, 'I want to stay home and make a difference.' You just needed one guy to take that chance."

Just like that, Williams made DePaul cool again, and others wanted to join him. Simeon's Bobby Simmons and Whitney Young's Quentin Richardson quickly followed. Andre Brown (Leo), Steven Hunter (Proviso East), Paul McPherson (South Shore) and Imari Sawyer (King) later jumped on as well.

"When there's been success at DePaul, it's been with Chicago guys," Dildy said. "When you don't get Chicago guys, it's hard to have success."

Dildy's formula could explain DePaul's current state. Since Dildy and head coach Pat Kennedy left DePaul in 2002, the Blue Demons have been without a significant Chicago connection. Dave Leitao's lone Chicago star was Brown, a Kennedy recruit, and Jerry Wainwright had only a few more in his 4½ seasons.

With DePaul now making another coaching change and again searching for a new direction, many believe the Blue Demons can revive their program by getting back to their roots of playing with predominantly Chicago talent.

"I think DePaul just needs to keep some of the inner-city big recruits home and get them to come there," Richardson, who now plays for the Miami Heat, said via text message. "For the last few years most of the big names, top recruits have been leaving Chicago and going somewhere else. We have great players in Chicago, so they need to work from there."

Bulls star Derrick Rose's former coach, Simeon's Robert Smith, felt the same.

"It happened before with Mark Aguirre and then Bobby Simmons, Lance Williams and Quentin Richardson," Smith said. "It takes kids staying home and being able to win national championships for their home school. They're going to have to get some guys to come in and attract other guys from the city and country. If you can get two or three guys from the city, that'll help you be on the level you need to be."

Recruiting players from Simeon and Whitney Young might be the best place to start. Both programs are stacked with talent from their freshman to senior classes. In recent years, Central Florida, Dayton, Illinois, Iowa State, Memphis, Oregon State and Purdue have landed players from both schools.

DePaul has made progress this season in recruiting Simeon's players. Smith acknowledged that the Chicago Public League coaches didn't have a stellar relationship with DePaul's previous assistants, and there was an issue of trust. Since the Blue Demons brought on Billy Garrett and Tracy Webster, two coaches with local ties, that has improved, said Smith.

Whitney Young is a different story. The Dolphins won a state championship last year and have as much talent as any program in the state -- while consistently academically qualifying their players. But Whitney Young coach Tyrone Slaughter said DePaul has never offered one of his players a scholarship during his five seasons there.

"I don't know what it is," Slaughter said. "Maybe our players aren't good enough. Maybe they don't think they're going to get them. If you don't try, you don't have a chance. Let the parents and kids decide. Kids aren't automatically going to call you and say, 'Hey, I really want to play for a last-place team in the Big East.'

"I've never known what the direction they're taking in recruiting. With Michigan State, you know they're trying to dominate the state. With Illinois, they're trying to dominate the state the best they can. I don't know with DePaul."

Scouts Inc. recruiting coordinator Reggie Rankin was surprised to hear about DePaul's lack of relationship with Whitney Young. Scouts Inc. has a number of Slaughter's players ranked in the nation.

"I don't know what Coach Wainwright's philosophy was, but that's shocking that [Slaughter] would say that," Rankin said. "That shocks me. You got to recruit every kid from your city and state that is good enough, and you expand from there. Seventy-five to 80 percent of your energy has to be in-state, especially like a state like Illinois. You got to start with the Chicago kids. I think it'll take a marquee Chicago guy to get it going, and the other guys will follow suit."

So far, no one has taken that leap. Wainwright's final recruiting class won't include a single player from Illinois. In November, the Blue Demons signed three out-of-state players. Two area players from the same class chose other Big East schools, as Glenbrook North's Alex Dragicevich signed with Notre Dame, and Thornton's Reggie Smith chose Marquette.

Dildy is disappointed to see where the program has gone. He does now coach at a competing school, but DePaul will always be his second-favorite team.

"I don't believe if we were over there those guys would have gotten away with the rate they have," said Dildy of the area recruits. "I don't know what the reason is, but they're not even considering DePaul. It's a great university. It has everything you need to have success there. I pull for DePaul every time except for one game a year. That's the game we play them. My five years there were great."

Scott Powers covers high school and college sports for ESPNChicago.com and can be reached at spowers@espnchicago.com.
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