(01-04-2010 10:02 PM)baller8 Wrote:  Maybe we need to be more of an up-tempo team.Try to get easy baskets in transition rather than let the opposing team get set in their defense. We hardly ever get out on the fast break and beat teams down the floor.

We have a lot of athleticism and a lot of speed. Its not being used. Everytime i watch our team i always say we move to slow and hold the ball to long before we actually run a play. We also NEVER set screens for the man with the ball. I used to play basketball pretty competitively and i'm very good at reading players body language. Most of our guys dont look comfortable with our offense. Maybe they'll adjust, but i havent really seen any improvement yet.

We have a COMBINATION of problems in a lot of areas.

One of our problems is that we stick with things too long. Kurtis Woods makes a lot of fundamental mistakes on offense and defense at critical times (early momentum killers or momentum starters for the other team; 8 turnovers tonight between him and Dixon) but it seems as if his playing time is guaranteed every game. I would like to see Marine play more for Woods and not get pulled so quickly.

We have no rotations on defense and we have some soft players at key positions. I remember when everyone was excited about Heramb and his coming from "Auburn". So far, I have seen very little to be excited about. He certainly is not a player that we can depend on to give us production on the road (18 minutes tonight with 2 rebounds and zero points - a three point attempt included in the 0 for 3). By contrast, Daniel Emerson of Mercer played against North Florida tonight and shot 15 freethrows and had 15 rebounds --- truly an inside presence! When is the last time Jmac had a good game on the road? Anybody know? For both of these guys, home is where it's at, but forget the rest. At least Gibson tries, but he is undersized. The good part is you know what you are going to get from him. Ladarius is just too lightweight to bang inside but he does have heart. Cummings needs to improve his ballhandling and his outside shot so that he can't be defended so easily. And I am tired of hearing criticism of Whipple. Basically he is being rewarded for committing to our program when we weren't tournament eligible to give us size. For gosh sakes, he was pulled from the starting lineup ... what more can you ask for? he just doesn't have the skill level and it is our guards' fault for getting him involved in the offense.

And speaking of our guards, both of them have weaknesses. One dribbles too much and has limited skills and the other won't penetrate. Neither is smart enough to stop penetration. So when that happens, that takes us back to the "help" conversation and then .... there is Ingle, but he is only as good as the players he has to work with.

Well, here we go into a circle again. Have we covered everything?

91-52? Jesus. What a smashing.

Seems like things are going backwards somewhat, and all so early.

(01-04-2010 09:32 PM)Corn_3024 Wrote:  Spencer has some ability but agaisnt North Florida he played around 30 minutes with ONE assist..

We have multiple guys that make me cringe when I see them on the floor. JMac is extremely inconsistent, Gibson has one positive quality (vertical leap), and Whipple just isn't very good. I almost think Whipple has regressed.

KB you can't ship all the blame away from Ingle. I'm not saying he's soley at fault but in team sports.. your play is a direct reflection of your head coach. Its his job to bring in and develop talent. Its his job to prepare a gameplan to give us the best chance to win. Obviously some of the execution issues can be put on the players.. but thats my whole point. Its not cut and dry. Its a combo of talent/coaching. We need to do better as a whole.

I agree, that the buck stops at the coaching, I wont argue there. I am sure that Ingle wouldn't argue with you either.

Right now as fans we are all just upset because of the thrashing, so I am not going to get too negative on anyone player or coach. Losses like this tend to bring the worst out in fans...me included. The fact is that in a beatdown like that there really isn't much praise to be spread around on anyone, so it is open target practice on everyone usually. I am going to watch a movie and go to bed...if you aren't upset right now you probably aren't much of a fan.

Tough tough pill to swallow. Good news is our next three games are at home...the bad news is the defending champion Bucs are coming into town. I think it is safe to say we will be significant underdogs heading into this next game.

If ETSU plays like they did today you will beat us like a drum. However, I expect our play to improve...assuming Brown is okay.


I think Kennesaw and ETSU both suffer from the same disease thus far. Fickle and without defined leadership.

I am really glad I wasn't home to see this game. I think this has to be the worst beatdown we've suffered since joining the A-Sun.

Oh and one more thing. I know I harp on this stat, but 28% from the field? Really? We shot 60 times and only made 17. JU shot 71 times and still shot almost 30% better than us! (55%)

(01-04-2010 11:10 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  If ETSU plays like they did today you will beat us like a drum. However, I expect our play to improve...assuming Brown is okay.


I think Kennesaw and ETSU both suffer from the same disease thus far. Fickle and without defined leadership.

very true. Though you have a leader, but he's hurt. How is Mike Smith doing anyway?

(01-05-2010 12:23 AM)Escalade2121 Wrote:  I am really glad I wasn't home to see this game. I think this has to be the worst beatdown we've suffered since joining the A-Sun.

Nope..that would be your first experience at the Dome.

84 is appears Mike is gonna redshirt.

(01-04-2010 10:31 PM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:32 PM)Corn_3024 Wrote:  Spencer has some ability but agaisnt North Florida he played around 30 minutes with ONE assist..

We have multiple guys that make me cringe when I see them on the floor. JMac is extremely inconsistent, Gibson has one positive quality (vertical leap), and Whipple just isn't very good. I almost think Whipple has regressed.

KB you can't ship all the blame away from Ingle. I'm not saying he's soley at fault but in team sports.. your play is a direct reflection of your head coach. Its his job to bring in and develop talent. Its his job to prepare a gameplan to give us the best chance to win. Obviously some of the execution issues can be put on the players.. but thats my whole point. Its not cut and dry. Its a combo of talent/coaching. We need to do better as a whole.

I agree, that the buck stops at the coaching, I wont argue there. I am sure that Ingle wouldn't argue with you either.

Right now as fans we are all just upset because of the thrashing, so I am not going to get too negative on anyone player or coach. Losses like this tend to bring the worst out in fans...me included. The fact is that in a beatdown like that there really isn't much praise to be spread around on anyone, so it is open target practice on everyone usually. I am going to watch a movie and go to bed...if you aren't upset right now you probably aren't much of a fan.

Tough tough pill to swallow. Good news is our next three games are at home...the bad news is the defending champion Bucs are coming into town. I think it is safe to say we will be significant underdogs heading into this next game.

I agree.. the thrashing didn't ease minds.. What makes it worse is I think a few of us saw this coming. We've had a handful of REALLY bad performances this year.. it just so happens our opponents haven't played well on those nights. Tonight that happened.

Lets hope we don't just forget this beatdown.. but learn from it. If this doesn't shed some light on a few of our issues nothing will.

(01-05-2010 02:36 AM)Corn_3024 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 10:31 PM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:32 PM)Corn_3024 Wrote:  Spencer has some ability but agaisnt North Florida he played around 30 minutes with ONE assist..

We have multiple guys that make me cringe when I see them on the floor. JMac is extremely inconsistent, Gibson has one positive quality (vertical leap), and Whipple just isn't very good. I almost think Whipple has regressed.

KB you can't ship all the blame away from Ingle. I'm not saying he's soley at fault but in team sports.. your play is a direct reflection of your head coach. Its his job to bring in and develop talent. Its his job to prepare a gameplan to give us the best chance to win. Obviously some of the execution issues can be put on the players.. but thats my whole point. Its not cut and dry. Its a combo of talent/coaching. We need to do better as a whole.

I agree, that the buck stops at the coaching, I wont argue there. I am sure that Ingle wouldn't argue with you either.

Right now as fans we are all just upset because of the thrashing, so I am not going to get too negative on anyone player or coach. Losses like this tend to bring the worst out in fans...me included. The fact is that in a beatdown like that there really isn't much praise to be spread around on anyone, so it is open target practice on everyone usually. I am going to watch a movie and go to bed...if you aren't upset right now you probably aren't much of a fan.

Tough tough pill to swallow. Good news is our next three games are at home...the bad news is the defending champion Bucs are coming into town. I think it is safe to say we will be significant underdogs heading into this next game.

I agree.. the thrashing didn't ease minds.. What makes it worse is I think a few of us saw this coming. We've had a handful of REALLY bad performances this year.. it just so happens our opponents haven't played well on those nights. Tonight that happened.

Lets hope we don't just forget this beatdown.. but learn from it. If this doesn't shed some light on a few of our issues nothing will.

Sometimes your biggest times of growth, come in the most difficult of circumstances. Let's hope this is the case....I am going to move on to the ETSU game, and hope for better days.

(01-04-2010 09:12 PM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  This has been a weird team to watch thus far. Markeith and Ladaris are probably our two most talented players, but they are both freshman. Our seniors have been up and down all year, and we can't seem to get a consistent flow on either end of the court. I have been a follower of the program since we were dominating DII, so I am not going to be the blame it on the coach guy.

I still think we get things turned around at some point ,but these kind of losses hurt bad. It is going to be a LONG bus ride home...

Belmont is having some of the same issues. Our senior is struggling and our underclassmen are pulling us through. You're right, it is weird to watch and sometimes frustrating.

It sounds like our offense and our effort is the problem after listening to this .... http://www.judolphins.com/news/default/184/13895/

Many have brought up the fact that our talent is not being used correctly within our current system and I agree. With this in mind, I would like everybody to compare the talent and results in years past to this years team. For instance, who were our forwards last year? John Allison, Gibson, Whipple, and J Mac. Who are our forwards this year? Cummings, Green, Gibson, Heramb, J Mac and Whipple. Which group of guys would you say is more talented? It is pretty obvious. However, are the results different? No and it is due to an offensive system that seems to indicate that we are playing not lose rather than to win. We neither use our speed or athleticism on the offensive side of the ball. I could go on for days but Ingle reminds me Hewitt at GT. Attempts to play good defense and create turnovers to fuel a less than exciting brand of offensive basketball. Hence, we were in the GT game at the half even though they clearly had more talent.

(01-05-2010 10:41 AM)kr983 Wrote:  Many have brought up the fact that our talent is not being used correctly within our current system and I agree. With this in mind, I would like everybody to compare the talent and results in years past to this years team. For instance, who were our forwards last year? John Allison, Gibson, Whipple, and J Mac. Who are our forwards this year? Cummings, Green, Gibson, Heramb, J Mac and Whipple. Which group of guys would you say is more talented? It is pretty obvious. However, are the results different? No and it is due to an offensive system that seems to indicate that we are playing not lose rather than to win. We neither use our speed or athleticism on the offensive side of the ball. I could go on for days but Ingle reminds me Hewitt at GT. Attempts to play good defense and create turnovers to fuel a less than exciting brand of offensive basketball. Hence, we were in the GT game at the half even though they clearly had more talent.

2 Things:

1-don't forget Jay Mitchell
2-we were in the game, and then our offense took over.

I'm horrified by this effort. There are few words to describe losses like this ... "unacceptable" comes immediately to mind. None of us expect to win the A-Sun championship on a regular basis soon, but for crying out loud -- we need to see some progress here.

A funny aside ... during the last home game, I paid attention to the play calling a lot more. Among a number of "cute names" for plays, there were a couple of plays that really troubled me. Whenever Ingle and the players started shouting "Green, Green, Green..." guess who got the ball - LaDaris. Another play was called "MC". Hmmm ... Cummings gets the ball and shoots. This was true EVERY time these two plays were called.

Really? That's as sophisticated as we get?

Sheesh.