(01-04-2010 09:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:04 PM)alterego2 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:29 PM)uomguy78 Wrote:  I'm no Vol fan in any way, but it seems alot of people on the message boards are hoping they are felonies. Whether they will be remains to be seen at this point but why hope that they are? People make mistakes and I won't have an issue with any decision the authorities make but I also won't take any joy in seeing you mens' lives ruined.

Those young men are responsible for their own lives. Some of us are just skeptical that they will not get the punishment/correction that most non-BCS athletes would get in the same circumstances; in other words, that they will get "special treatment."

Has it ever occurred to you what damage, injury and death these young men might have caused someone else in an auto accident because they were drunk/stoned, or if they had used those two guns on someone?

There are a ton of college students who choose to partake in a little weed smokin' and many people on this board who choose to carry guns, legally, for various reasons.

The difference here is they did it the stupid way. Should 1 stupid decision follow them around the rest of their lives?

Maybe depends upon the level of stupidity.

(01-04-2010 06:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:24 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:17 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  don't think they were loaded...

and misdemeanor charges are still a big deal...

but i agree.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

1 of the 2 was loaded, the other had the clip right beside it.

then that's, that...the ATF needs to to charge at least Smith with 2 felony charges for having a loaded gun and a gun with altered serial number.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Did they read them their Miranda rights?

that would be the arresting officers job...not the ATF.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

The ATF will undoubtedly advise them of Miranda before questioning as well. Miranda is only required if you intend on interrogating a suspect.

(01-04-2010 10:19 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:24 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:17 PM)tigerengineer Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  don't think they were loaded...

and misdemeanor charges are still a big deal...

but i agree.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

1 of the 2 was loaded, the other had the clip right beside it.

then that's, that...the ATF needs to to charge at least Smith with 2 felony charges for having a loaded gun and a gun with altered serial number.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Did they read them their Miranda rights?

that would be the arresting officers job...not the ATF.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

The ATF will undoubtedly advise them of Miranda before questioning as well. Miranda is only required if you intend on interrogating a suspect.

LOL, sorry to get off topic, but a funny side note to Miranda. Miranda vs. Arizona is the case that established the reading of a suspects rights. Miranda had robbed someone and then confessed to a rape of a young girl. His attorney argued that Miranda didn't know what his rights were and the case went to the SC where his conviction was overturned. The funny part is that Miranda was stabbed and killed in 1976 and the guy that killed him was released and never prosecuted after refusing to talk to investigators by invoking his right to remain silent. Now that is Justice!

(01-04-2010 05:55 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 05:37 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  1. According to kville popo, there is no way to prove the weed was theirs. It could have been left by previous renter, or dropped by a "detail" employee @ rental lot.
My take- it was probably a perk given by the rental lot for frequent rental. No harm, no foul.2. The "strong smell of smoked marijuana" could also be attributed to others-see above.
3. "There's no way prove these guys smoked any marijuana."
My take- Okay, on this one, it's time for Kville popo to come into the 21st century (I mean, come on, For real?) But, it's their jurisdiction. So, it's their call.
4. Back to the gun. By now, the players could (and should) swear that they thought the gun was toy left by: A. the kid of the girlfriend who rented the car. OR B. A neighborhood toddler they had seen playing in the vehicle. Whichever of these 2 scenarios is accurate should be used, and would certainly pass muster in Kville.
Bottom line: The world knows those guys were up to no good.
It SHOULD BE embarassing enough to suspend these guys, not just from the team, but from school.
But, apparently, they're so used to sweeping things under the rug over there, they don't realize what a big deal the rest of the world realizes this is.
Should the NCAA step in?
Absolutely, they should.
These guys should be banned from collegiate competition.
I got alot more to say, but I'll shut it for now.

You obviously didn't read the latest news report from the Knoxville newpaper linked above - the dope was found inside a backpack in the backseat with Williams nametag on the backpack. Seems evident it was his or he knew he possessed it.

It doesn't matter what is evident. If none admit to it being their's, then all are supposed to be charged with possession.

(01-04-2010 08:56 PM)alterego2 Wrote:  But how did the detail guy get into Williams' backpack?

I think the latest Knoxville newspaper account said the officer asked if he could search the car after smelling weed smoke, they refused. The officer then had a dog walk around the car & the dog gave a positive indication of dope. According to the article that provided confimation & probable cause to search. Article also said the barrel of one the guns was visible in the floor from outside the car. The dog found the dope.

Did we ever find out what was in Wesley's backpack?

(01-04-2010 08:33 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  I figured they would put the blame of the lesser players and tyler smith would be cleared anyways. I just think somehow someway... whatever is best for utk and pearl is what matters in the end.

I would bet money that's how this goes, one or two will be scapegoats, Smith gets off with a stern warning not to do it again until after the season.

(01-04-2010 09:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:04 PM)alterego2 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:29 PM)uomguy78 Wrote:  I'm no Vol fan in any way, but it seems alot of people on the message boards are hoping they are felonies. Whether they will be remains to be seen at this point but why hope that they are? People make mistakes and I won't have an issue with any decision the authorities make but I also won't take any joy in seeing you mens' lives ruined.

Those young men are responsible for their own lives. Some of us are just skeptical that they will not get the punishment/correction that most non-BCS athletes would get in the same circumstances; in other words, that they will get "special treatment."

Has it ever occurred to you what damage, injury and death these young men might have caused someone else in an auto accident because they were drunk/stoned, or if they had used those two guns on someone?

There are a ton of college students who choose to partake in a little weed smokin' and many people on this board who choose to carry guns, legally, for various reasons.

The difference here is they did it the stupid way. Should 1 stupid decision follow them around the rest of their lives?

Isn't that the reason we have laws?

And, if these so-called student athletes riding around in a car of dubious source with illegal guns, dope and alcohol are given preferred treatment, then we will be left to wonder just how many young folks will see that as a good enough reason to follow suit.

The sports pages are seemingly filled with more crime reports than sports news. This kind of activity sure needs to be stopped somewhere-sometime-somehow.

IMHO.

(01-04-2010 08:27 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  it's really just bad all the way around. I dislike UT sports, of course, being a Tiger fan-- but I can't pull for the ruination of some kids' lives with a felony charge.

Really it's kind of sad that one of the dudes would be stupid enough to have a gun with an altered serial number in the first place. There is really no good that can come from that. Doesn't Tyler Smith have tears tattooed on his face? That used to be something you got tattooed on your face when you had killed someone. I'm sure they're on there just because he thought it was cool or whatever, but that's not gonna send the right message in this case!

They were given life on a silver platter. If they choose to throw it away they have no one to blame but themselves. Why should they be different from anyone else on the street who does the same thing?

They were set-up. Probably disgruntled Tiger fans.

(01-05-2010 01:01 AM)slktigers Wrote:  They were set-up. Probably disgruntled Tiger fans.

Well some of the Utk fans' first reaction seriously was, "They probably got it in Memphis after the game."


one can imagine where the desperate and batty Orange Pride can take that line of thinking:

-They got it in Memphis

-Only happens in Memphis

-Memphis fans intentionally sold them the ganja so that their program wouldn't look like thugs

-Memphis fans placed a police officer on I-40 at that moment.

(01-05-2010 12:25 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 09:04 PM)alterego2 Wrote:  

(01-04-2010 06:29 PM)uomguy78 Wrote:  I'm no Vol fan in any way, but it seems alot of people on the message boards are hoping they are felonies. Whether they will be remains to be seen at this point but why hope that they are? People make mistakes and I won't have an issue with any decision the authorities make but I also won't take any joy in seeing you mens' lives ruined.

Those young men are responsible for their own lives. Some of us are just skeptical that they will not get the punishment/correction that most non-BCS athletes would get in the same circumstances; in other words, that they will get "special treatment."

Has it ever occurred to you what damage, injury and death these young men might have caused someone else in an auto accident because they were drunk/stoned, or if they had used those two guns on someone?

There are a ton of college students who choose to partake in a little weed smokin' and many people on this board who choose to carry guns, legally, for various reasons.

The difference here is they did it the stupid way. Should 1 stupid decision follow them around the rest of their lives?

Isn't that the reason we have laws?

And, if these so-called student athletes riding around in a car of dubious source with illegal guns, dope and alcohol are given preferred treatment, then we will be left to wonder just how many young folks will see that as a good enough reason to follow suit.

The sports pages are seemingly filled with more crime reports than sports news. This kind of activity sure needs to be stopped somewhere-sometime-somehow.

IMHO.

Unfortunately, this is what happens all the time in our society and in turn why our society is so messed up.

(01-04-2010 07:53 PM)ballen Wrote:  Bruce said in a statement today that they are down to 6 scholarship players and 3 walk-ons without the 4 who were arrested. Chances are that will be their roster for the remainder of the season.

I hope there are no felony charges, but the school needs to do the right thing and throw them all out.

Did you see the video clip from his press conference? He said he was down to 6 scholarship players and 3 walkons...and as a team "they still had some weapons". Said it twice, then he caught him self and apologized for the use of the word weapons....