school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

While Mickey makes a very good point about it being harder to recruit players, especially high schoolers to a commuter campus as opposed to a traditional one, you've got to remember that Newell didn't have "****" to offer players here in terms of dorms, and especially a state of the art arena. Newell was one of those Eskimo icebox salesman, and there are other young assistants, or D-2 coaches out there who can sell iceboxes.

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

There are several there that have had some success in athletics, and basketball in particular.

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

Maybe I should have refined my statement. Obviously some of those schools, while having more non traditional than traditional students, are huge as compared to UALR. I lived a few blocks from the University of Houston years ago, and it's a pretty big place. Also I've driven on the campus at Central Florida and it's seemingly a lot larger than UALR. And it's right next to a very nice neighborhood. I would think Hofstra, Georgia State and George Mason would probably be closer to us than some of the others, but thanks for the info.

(12-24-2009 10:44 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

Maybe I should have refined my statement. Obviously some of those schools, while having more non traditional than traditional students, are huge as compared to UALR. I lived a few blocks from the University of Houston years ago, and it's a pretty big place. Also I've driven on the campus at Central Florida and it's seemingly a lot larger than UALR. And it's right next to a very nice neighborhood. I would think Hofstra, Georgia State and George Mason would probably be closer to us than some of the others, but thanks for the info.

UALR is pretty unique because is located in a small poor state. So any comparison will be skewed due to the sheer number of a lack of an educated population. That is why UALR should be a priority for the state. If we ever want to get out of being last in alot of categories and attract top companies and outsiders, we have to invest in our higher education system. :soapbox:

(12-24-2009 10:42 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

There are several there that have had some success in athletics, and basketball in particular.

I don't know how you define a commuter campus. I certainly don't think Miami fits the bill. I toured it when my son was looking at schools. It's an absolutely beautiful campus and an expensive private school. I think they have more students there from the Northeast, than Florida, so I really doubt its a commuter school. My sister went to South Florida 30 years ago and lived on campus. They had tons of dorms- whether they have a lot of commuters as well, I couldn't tell you. My niece presently goes to UCF and loves it. It is the 4th or 5th largest University in the country. Again it may have a lot of commuters, but it has thousands of students who live on campus.

The only other school I'm really familiar with is Georgia State. When I lived in Atlanta, 35 years ago, it was a commuter school very much like UALR. I don't know that it has changed. Regardless, their sports achievements are no greater than UALR despite being in the South's biggest city.

(12-24-2009 10:49 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  If we ever want to get out of being last in alot of categories and attract top companies and outsiders, we have to invest in our higher education system.

I do my part. Twice a week.

(12-24-2009 10:54 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:42 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

There are several there that have had some success in athletics, and basketball in particular.

I don't know how you define a commuter campus. I certainly don't think Miami fits the bill. I toured it when my son was looking at schools. It's an absolutely beautiful campus and an expensive private school. I think they have more students there from the Northeast, than Florida, so I really doubt its a commuter school. My sister went to South Florida 30 years ago and lived on campus. They had tons of dorms- whether they have a lot of commuters as well, I couldn't tell you. My niece presently goes to UCF and loves it. It is the 4th or 5th largest University in the country. Again it may have a lot of commuters, but it has thousands of students who live on campus.

The only other school I'm really familiar with is Georgia State. When I lived in Atlanta, 35 years ago, it was a commuter school very much like UALR. I don't know that it has changed. Regardless, their sports achievements are no greater than UALR despite being in the South's biggest city.

That is why the term is relative. Being from California, most of the Cal State schools are considered commuters but are 3 to 5 times bigger than UALR. They may have 5,000 and more students that live on campus, but the total school population is 30,000 or more.

(12-24-2009 10:58 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:54 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:42 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

There are several there that have had some success in athletics, and basketball in particular.

I don't know how you define a commuter campus. I certainly don't think Miami fits the bill. I toured it when my son was looking at schools. It's an absolutely beautiful campus and an expensive private school. I think they have more students there from the Northeast, than Florida, so I really doubt its a commuter school. My sister went to South Florida 30 years ago and lived on campus. They had tons of dorms- whether they have a lot of commuters as well, I couldn't tell you. My niece presently goes to UCF and loves it. It is the 4th or 5th largest University in the country. Again it may have a lot of commuters, but it has thousands of students who live on campus.

The only other school I'm really familiar with is Georgia State. When I lived in Atlanta, 35 years ago, it was a commuter school very much like UALR. I don't know that it has changed. Regardless, their sports achievements are no greater than UALR despite being in the South's biggest city.

That is why the term is relative. Being from California, most of the Cal State schools are considered commuters but are 3 to 5 times bigger than UALR. They may have 5,000 and more students that live on campus, but the total school population is 30,000 or more.

When UALR gets 5000 students on campus, I'll definitely stop using the commuter school "excuse". I think they have about 600 in the dorms now. I'm not sure what the critical number is: maybe 1500 or so. It just needs to be enough that there are social events, activities, etc. taking place on campus at night and on weekends so it has the feel of a "real" college campus. As far as I can tell, UALR is a ghost town on weekends. I'm not even sure the cafeteria is open. I know that it wasn't in the past.

(12-24-2009 11:06 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:58 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:54 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:42 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

There are several there that have had some success in athletics, and basketball in particular.

I don't know how you define a commuter campus. I certainly don't think Miami fits the bill. I toured it when my son was looking at schools. It's an absolutely beautiful campus and an expensive private school. I think they have more students there from the Northeast, than Florida, so I really doubt its a commuter school. My sister went to South Florida 30 years ago and lived on campus. They had tons of dorms- whether they have a lot of commuters as well, I couldn't tell you. My niece presently goes to UCF and loves it. It is the 4th or 5th largest University in the country. Again it may have a lot of commuters, but it has thousands of students who live on campus.

The only other school I'm really familiar with is Georgia State. When I lived in Atlanta, 35 years ago, it was a commuter school very much like UALR. I don't know that it has changed. Regardless, their sports achievements are no greater than UALR despite being in the South's biggest city.

That is why the term is relative. Being from California, most of the Cal State schools are considered commuters but are 3 to 5 times bigger than UALR. They may have 5,000 and more students that live on campus, but the total school population is 30,000 or more.

When UALR gets 5000 students on campus, I'll definitely stop using the commuter school "excuse". I think they have about 600 in the dorms now. I'm not sure what the critical number is: maybe 1500 or so. It just needs to be enough that there are social events, activities, etc. taking place on campus at night and on weekends so it has the feel of a "real" college campus. As far as I can tell, UALR is a ghost town on weekends. I'm not even sure the cafeteria is open. I know that it wasn't in the past.

Good point. But it will probably be quite awhile before we have 5000 students living on campus. However, with the economy what it is, the full time student population could increase, and even if they all aren't living on campus, they could participate in actitivities. I wonder if we had dorms for 5000 students, how long it would take to fill them?

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

Of that group, probably UAB most closely resembles us. An "at" school in the state's largest city, in a state with no major league pro franchises, with BCS competition that monopolizes the media.

And I root for (most of the) "at" schools come post season time.

(12-24-2009 11:09 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

Of that group, probably UAB most closely resembles us. An "at" school in the state's largest city, in a state with no major league pro franchises, with BCS competition that monopolizes the media.

They had one advantage starting out. They had a legend, Gene Bartow, who built the program into a big time mid major program.
Had we had the facilities we have now, or even Alltel arena, when Wimp was here, and if he had really wanted to be here and build the program, we had a chance to move up the ladder, but he was always griping about everything and didn't even want recruits to know where he coached, so it didn't happen. We even had a chance with Sidney, and if he could have coached, we had a chance to get great local pub because of his reputation as a Hog legend, but 4-24 doesn't get a lot of good press. So we've had our chances, but haven't been able to get the exact right fit for the program at the right time. And that's why we're still right where we've always been. The stepchild of a Hog!

(12-24-2009 11:15 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  The stepchild of a Hog!

Damn Fayetteville.

(12-24-2009 11:18 AM)Scotto Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 11:15 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  The stepchild of a Hog!

Damn Fayetteville.

I don't blame you for wanting your children to be Wed Woofs!

(12-24-2009 11:09 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:39 AM)LR Alum Wrote:  I did a report about commuter schools while in school. The schools have dorms but have a higher percentage of non-traditional students. Here are a few I can think of that have some name recognition.

DePaul
Georgia State
George Mason
UAB
Hofstra
Cincinnati
Houston
South Florida
Central Florida
Miami

Of that group, probably UAB most closely resembles us. An "at" school in the state's largest city, in a state with no major league pro franchises, with BCS competition that monopolizes the media.

Good point. But they still have a lot more student housing. I suggested in a previous post that 1500 might be a "critical number" to where UALR starts feeling more like a "real" campus. UAB has 2100:

Living on campus adds an extra dimension to college life. In UAB student housing, you’ll find more than a home—you’ll discover an exciting, diverse community that places all the advantages of a dynamic university right at your doorstep. About 2,100 students live in UAB's residence halls.

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I know some of you apologists can explain this for me. If Little Rock is such a terrible place, why is Coach Foley able to recruit good ball players?? It's not uncommon at all to meet someone who has recently moved here from another part of the country They all have good things to say about Little Rock, saying it's a good place to live. The frustrating thing about this season is not necessarily the losses but, in my 25 years or so as a regular fan, IMO, this is the least talented squad we have ever had. I don't believe it's expecting too much that every year we should have at least 1 or 2 really pure BB players. Maybe we should have another round of replacing all the assistant coaches. That should solve the problem.

(12-24-2009 11:27 AM)DollarBill Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I know some of you apologists can explain this for me. If Little Rock is such a terrible place, why is Coach Foley able to recruit good ball players?? It's not uncommon at all to meet someone who has recently moved here from another part of the country They all have good things to say about Little Rock, saying it's a good place to live. The frustrating thing about this season is not necessarily the losses but, in my 25 years or so as a regular fan, IMO, this is the least talented squad we have ever had. I don't believe it's expecting too much that every year we should have at least 1 or 2 really pure BB players. Maybe we should have another round of replacing all the assistant coaches. That should solve the problem.

I agree that Little Rock is a great place to live. But MJS has a point. If all it takes to recruit better is campus life, then our main goal should be to get the on campus student population up to 2000 as soon as possible. That doesn't seem like that big a problem. Aren't we building another dorm, or has that already been done? And if so, how many students will it house? I know there are some apartments on the edge of campus. Are they occupied yet? Good things are happening.

As far as talent on the squad, I was one who said this would be our most talented team in awhile, and I'm not sure that's still not accurate. Granted, some are playing their first year here, and I see signs of players improving like Kelson. Had Mike stayed healthy our inside game would be more formidable, but he didn't so we can't help that. Alex is proving to be the player we thought he would be. Lionel does some good things at point guard, but remember, he's only a sophomore. Courtney is doing some good things. Ricky Davison has shown moments of brilliance. Putting the pieces together and leaving it together seems to be the coaching staff's problem this year. Let's hope things start to improve. We can't afford to lose this next game.

(12-24-2009 12:40 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 11:27 AM)DollarBill Wrote:  

(12-24-2009 10:28 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  school, although there are seemingly more and more full time students each year. Maybe MJS, PTJR, Pappy or whomever can tell us the schools around the country that most compare to us. I think of names like Cleveland State, Portland State, etc. They sound like they might be the same type of school we are, but I don't know. Comparing us to Western, Denver, ASU and others is probably not a great comparison. I'm not talking about comparing our basketball teams, but our universities in terms of student makeup. Anyone who has anything to say on this, jump in. I just thought the aforementioned posters might be informed on this subject. I don't have a clue.

I know some of you apologists can explain this for me. If Little Rock is such a terrible place, why is Coach Foley able to recruit good ball players?? It's not uncommon at all to meet someone who has recently moved here from another part of the country They all have good things to say about Little Rock, saying it's a good place to live. The frustrating thing about this season is not necessarily the losses but, in my 25 years or so as a regular fan, IMO, this is the least talented squad we have ever had. I don't believe it's expecting too much that every year we should have at least 1 or 2 really pure BB players. Maybe we should have another round of replacing all the assistant coaches. That should solve the problem.

I agree that Little Rock is a great place to live. But MJS has a point. If all it takes to recruit better is campus life, then our main goal should be to get the on campus student population up to 2000 as soon as possible. That doesn't seem like that big a problem. Aren't we building another dorm, or has that already been done? And if so, how many students will it house? I know there are some apartments on the edge of campus. Are they occupied yet? Good things are happening.

As far as talent on the squad, I was one who said this would be our most talented team in awhile, and I'm not sure that's still not accurate. Granted, some are playing their first year here, and I see signs of players improving like Kelson. Had Mike stayed healthy our inside game would be more formidable, but he didn't so we can't help that. Alex is proving to be the player we thought he would be. Lionel does some good things at point guard, but remember, he's only a sophomore. Courtney is doing some good things. Ricky Davison has shown moments of brilliance. Putting the pieces together and leaving it together seems to be the coaching staff's problem this year. Let's hope things start to improve. We can't afford to lose this next game.

Show how much you know about basketball talent Doc. I'm glad you aren't recruiting for us. Oh well, it wouldn't make any difference, evidently the coaches thought this group was good too.

Just kidding Doc. I don't know how good they are, although we do have better shooters than we've had in a while. But, I'll bet you one thing, they won't be good enough to win the Sun Belt.