Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

I'd say two bowl games in a row and one bowl win for a new head coach is outstanding anyway you slice it. Give Fedora some time. C-USA is more fun when USM is competitive.

But, Fedora and his 8* recruits can't beat MTSU or UAB.

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Bower left Fedora with a team that had a winning season streak of more than a decade... and the landscape for USM to be successful is much more coach-friendly than it used to be. Southern Miss is a prime job in the hierarchy of this conference. There should be no reason NOT to be one of the 6 teams that gets a bowl bid.

The Fedora apologists are in full spin mode. Before they are through they will be saying MTSU could beat Bama. Spin doesn't change the fact Fedora is all talk and hasn't backed up that talk on the field.

(12-21-2009 12:38 PM)SPECoog518 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Bower left Fedora with a team that had a winning season streak of more than a decade... and the landscape for USM to be successful is much more coach-friendly than it used to be. Southern Miss is a prime job in the hierarchy of this conference. There should be no reason NOT to be one of the 6 teams that gets a bowl bid.

It's obvious you know noting about Southern Miss football.

Bower inherited a winning team as well. Before Bower took over the team had the following records

1975 - 8-3
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 6-6
1978 - 7-4
1979 - 6-4-1
1980 - 9-3
1981 - 9-2-1
1982 - 7-4
1983 - 7-4
1984 - 4-7
1985 - 7-4
1986 - 6-5
1987 - 6-5
1988 - 10-2
1989 - 5-6
1990 - 8-4

1991 - Bower's 1st year went from an inherited 8-4 team to coaching his 1st years team to a 4-7 record. No apples and Oranges just facts.

(12-21-2009 12:52 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  The Fedora apologists are in full spin mode. Before they are through they will be saying MTSU could beat Bama. Spin doesn't change the fact Fedora is all talk and hasn't backed up that talk on the field.

What do I have to apologize for? Another winning record? Another bowl invite?

When did Bower take us to a BCS bowl or anything above and behind just a winning record?

One thing we would know for sure with Bower is that we wouldn;t have averaged 30,000+ fans for 2 years in a row. In fact with Bower it would be more like 22,000 if we would have keep him.

If Bower is such a good coach then why hasn't he gotten the 1st job interview? He said " I'm not done yet".

(12-21-2009 01:59 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  What do I have to apologize for?

Have you heard about this new all-sports television channel, ESPN? Yeah, I know, it sounds crazy. But these guys show sports (or at least sports-related programming) all the time! They have this Chris Bergman (sp?) character who makes up crazy nicknames for everyone.

I think there may have been something relating to this Larry Sombrery character on ESPN this weekend. You should check it out.

EDIT: And furthermore, I'm over the whole attendance thing. I mean, if this is what sports have become, why not just have a fricking attendance contest? Alabama-vs.-USM could consist of each side lining up as many RVs full of overfed rednecks as possible at the Iron Bowl, with the winner determined electronically by the turnstiles. Around 1990 or so everyone but me seems to have decided that's what it's really all about.

You know, there are worse things than bad attendance. I remember thinking that back in college when USM seemed obsessed with filling the stands, even if it had to be with thuggy Cub Scouts from Lumberton, band campers, etc., none of whom actually cared about USM football. USM doesn't seem to have to do that anymore - and that's real progress - but anyone who stayed home because they didn't want to watch Jeff Bower coach a game is just braindead.

Apples an oranges. That 8-4 team Bower inherited lost 1st rounder QB Brett Farve. The fact they had been 5-6 the year before even with Farve tells me they didn't have a ton of talent around him the last couple years, & the program was eb and flowing which would probably explain his year 3. Regardless Bower had proven he could coach & still had USM steady before he left and left some good players like Fletch, Nelson, Davis, McGrath. Also there are twice as many bowls as in 1991. That's a worthless arguement. Bottomline is Fedora hasn't improved you at all. Probably underachieved so far from what Bower would have done the last 2 years.

(12-21-2009 02:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Apples an oranges. That 8-4 team Bower inherited lost 1st rounder QB Brett Farve. The fact they had been 5-6 the year before even with Farve tells me they didn't have a ton of talent around him the last couple years, & the program was eb and flowing which would probably explain his year 3. Regardless Bower had proven he could coach & still had USM steady before he left and left some good players like Fletch, Nelson, Davis, McGrath. Also there are twice as many bowls as in 1991. That's a worthless arguement. Bottomline is Fedora hasn't improved you at all. Probably underachieved so far from what Bower would have done the last 2 years.

So when Bower won 9 games then the next year he won 7 was that a time where you could say Bower didn't improve us?

Some of you think Southern Miss exsist becuase of Bower.

Yeah Bower left some good players, but he also left us about 15 scholership players short of a full roster because of his crappy recruiting and not being aboe to keep recruits here. Look a Ladarius Webb that left to go to Nichols State and is now a starter as a rookie for the Ravens and Bower didn't even start him.

Before Bower got there those teams also had talent. Southern Miss didn't have 14 of 18 winning season before Bower got there because of lack of talent.

There was a time where Southern Miss had a streak of 30 season in a row without a losing season. You guys act like Bower is the reason for Southern Miss success and winning tradition. IT'S NOT!!!

Fedora will continue to recruit and get his players for his system and will be fine.

If you think going 14-12 with 2 bowl games in 2 seasons with kids that were recruited to run a totally different type of offense is bad or terrible then you guys are really clueless

Even IF you wanted to tear down Bower for his first few years it's pretty stupid and irrelavant arguement. He wasn't the same coach as he was 15+ years earlier. He had surely learned a few things, and had gotten USM in a much better position. He clearly had gotten his on the job training years and years earlier and had become a solid coach.

The more relavant split would have been Bowers last two years and Fedora's 1st two.

You hired an unproven coach and Fedora is clearly still getting his on the job training &'s not improved your program one bit. Likely regressed it from what Bower would have done the last couple years.

Good coaches adapt to their talent.

Taking a 7-6 team that was probably due for a lot of improvement last year and going 7-6, and then 7-6 again is nothing to write home about IMO. Holtz was at that in year two taking over a much much worse team and has improved us each season for 5 years. He got his on the job training at UConn for 5 years before we hired him though.

(12-21-2009 01:54 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:38 PM)SPECoog518 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Bower left Fedora with a team that had a winning season streak of more than a decade... and the landscape for USM to be successful is much more coach-friendly than it used to be. Southern Miss is a prime job in the hierarchy of this conference. There should be no reason NOT to be one of the 6 teams that gets a bowl bid.

It's obvious you know noting about Southern Miss football.

Bower inherited a winning team as well. Before Bower took over the team had the following records

1975 - 8-3
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 6-6
1978 - 7-4
1979 - 6-4-1
1980 - 9-3
1981 - 9-2-1
1982 - 7-4
1983 - 7-4
1984 - 4-7
1985 - 7-4
1986 - 6-5
1987 - 6-5
1988 - 10-2
1989 - 5-6
1990 - 8-4

1991 - Bower's 1st year went from an inherited 8-4 team to coaching his 1st years team to a 4-7 record. No apples and Oranges just facts.

Brett Freakin Favre

What is so ******* hard to understand about that?

(12-21-2009 03:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Even IF you wanted to tear down Bower for his first few years it's pretty stupid and irrelavant arguement. He wasn't the same coach as he was 15+ years earlier. He had surely learned a few things, and had gotten USM in a much better position. He clearly had gotten his on the job training years and years earlier and had become a solid coach.

The more relavant split would have been Bowers last two years and Fedora's 1st two.

You hired an unproven coach and Fedora is clearly still getting his on the job training &'s not improved your program one bit. Likely regressed it from what Bower would have done the last couple years.

Good coaches adapt to their talent.

Taking a 7-6 team that was probably due for a lot of improvement last year and going 7-6, and then 7-6 again is nothing to write home about IMO. Holtz was at that in year two taking over a much much worse team and has improved us each season for 5 years. He got his on the job training at UConn for 5 years before we hired him though.

And Fedora is learning on the job and taking his lumps as well, but when the dust settles he is still off to a better start than Bower was and will end up being a better coach IMO.

So why all the hate on Fedora because he hasn't taking us the the BCS yet? get real

(12-21-2009 05:13 PM)GrandPointEagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 01:54 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:38 PM)SPECoog518 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Bower left Fedora with a team that had a winning season streak of more than a decade... and the landscape for USM to be successful is much more coach-friendly than it used to be. Southern Miss is a prime job in the hierarchy of this conference. There should be no reason NOT to be one of the 6 teams that gets a bowl bid.

It's obvious you know noting about Southern Miss football.

Bower inherited a winning team as well. Before Bower took over the team had the following records

1975 - 8-3
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 6-6
1978 - 7-4
1979 - 6-4-1
1980 - 9-3
1981 - 9-2-1
1982 - 7-4
1983 - 7-4
1984 - 4-7
1985 - 7-4
1986 - 6-5
1987 - 6-5
1988 - 10-2
1989 - 5-6
1990 - 8-4

1991 - Bower's 1st year went from an inherited 8-4 team to coaching his 1st years team to a 4-7 record. No apples and Oranges just facts.

Brett Freakin Favre

What is so ******* hard to understand about that?

What happened in year 3 of Bower? Favre? I guess!

(12-21-2009 05:32 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 05:13 PM)GrandPointEagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 01:54 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:38 PM)SPECoog518 Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Bower 1st few seasons

4-7 - no bowl
7-4 - no bowl
3-7-1 - no bowl ( lost to Louisiana-Lafayette)
6-5 - no bowl
6-5 - no bowl

Fedora

7-6 - win bowl in 1st year
7-6 - loses bowl in 2nd year

1st 2 years

Bower 11-11 no bowls
Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Bower left Fedora with a team that had a winning season streak of more than a decade... and the landscape for USM to be successful is much more coach-friendly than it used to be. Southern Miss is a prime job in the hierarchy of this conference. There should be no reason NOT to be one of the 6 teams that gets a bowl bid.

It's obvious you know noting about Southern Miss football.

Bower inherited a winning team as well. Before Bower took over the team had the following records

1975 - 8-3
1976 - 3-8
1977 - 6-6
1978 - 7-4
1979 - 6-4-1
1980 - 9-3
1981 - 9-2-1
1982 - 7-4
1983 - 7-4
1984 - 4-7
1985 - 7-4
1986 - 6-5
1987 - 6-5
1988 - 10-2
1989 - 5-6
1990 - 8-4

1991 - Bower's 1st year went from an inherited 8-4 team to coaching his 1st years team to a 4-7 record. No apples and Oranges just facts.

Brett Freakin Favre

What is so ******* hard to understand about that?

What happened in year 3 of Bower? Favre? I guess!

Everybody wins at USM. We're surrounded geographically with the best football talent on the planet and C-USA has enough bad teams to scrape together a winning season without too much trouble.

(12-21-2009 12:37 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  But, Fedora and his 8* recruits can't beat MTSU or UAB.

That is the dumps! Any team that loses to UAB has serious issues.

Yes, and with Bradford "Swisscheese" at the defensive helm at USM, things are looking up for the Golden Eagles.

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

Well, this is that next season. Where is this pay off you mentioned?

(10-30-2010 07:12 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(12-21-2009 12:31 PM)Eagle4life05 Wrote:  Fedora 14-12 2 bowls and bringing in some serious talent that will start to pay off next season.

Well, this is that next season. Where is this pay off you mentioned?

In the eyes of UAB fans.