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Bobby Hauck, the new football coach at UNLV, has agreed to a three year contract. Maybe five years is the norm, but there are exceptions.
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(12-24-2009 02:39 PM)owen Wrote:  
(12-23-2009 11:17 PM)Rocketime Wrote:  Oh,, but pono has the mud, he just said he wasn’t going to sling it. By innuendo he is saying there are some unflattering things he knows that make Cross an undesirable coach or person. By inference he certainly shouldn’t be the coach of the Rockets.

By leveraging the “cloud of the gambling” Cross took unfair advantage of an unfortunate situation UT found itself in. Might be good business on Cross’s part, but just more innuendo referencing Cross’s undesirable character.

The last sentence may say nothing about Cross, but it says a good deal about where pono’s hopes lie.

Probably not wise to jump in here at all but, saying the new coach leveraged the gambling scandal into a well paying 5 year deal is more like stating the obvious than in any way a comment on someone's character.

In any event, 5 year deals seem to be the benchmark nowadays.

You are right for the most part. Of course, we don't know that anybody "leveraged" anything. That was just speculation on pono's part. I referenced his comment because he had emphasized it in response to another poster who believed Cross should have only gotten a 3-year contract. In that context it appeared to me that pono's response that Cross was "leveraging the “cloud of the gambling”" was equivalent to taking unfair advantage of an unfortunate situation which, in effect, would represent another flaw in Cross's character.
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FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.
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(12-26-2009 05:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.

So I'm guessing you're talking about Zac Taylor...?
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Wouldn't be surprised one bit that he'll be playing for Purdue-Calumet next year. Right now, they have won only three games and are our biggest rival at CCSJ, since they are only 5 miles down the street. I think that his parents have been in contact with Voudre, the PUC coach while he was playing at UT. I will let you know if he plays right away because we at CCSJ play PUC at PUC on January 27.
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(12-26-2009 07:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 05:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.

So I'm guessing you're talking about Zac Taylor...?

Yes. He wants to play and does not want to transfer and start over somewhere else. We'll see if he's given that chance now that everything else seems to be falling apart.
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(12-27-2009 11:33 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 07:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 05:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.

So I'm guessing you're talking about Zac Taylor...?

Yes. He wants to play and does not want to transfer and start over somewhere else. We'll see if he's given that chance now that everything else seems to be falling apart.
So why is he not playing? Does Cross not like his style of play? Does he not like Taylor? He seemed like a real good player when he did play last year - he's got size and skill.
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(12-26-2009 07:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 05:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.

So I'm guessing you're talking about Zac Taylor...?

Well, Taylor is still on scholarship, although not playing. We could certainly use him. The number of players we have lost over the last 3 or 4 years is astounding.

Although I have been critical of some of the things Cross has done, none of us know what marching orders O'Brien gave him. As far as we know, O'Brien could be perfectly happy with what's going on.

Joplin is teaching elementary school because he's poison in the coaching ranks. Not that HE did anything wrong, but gambling to the NCAA is about the same as a capital crime. I'm sure the situation (still going on) limited what O'Brien could, or couldn't do, in terms of hiring a new coach.
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(12-27-2009 01:15 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 07:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-26-2009 05:52 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  FWIW - I had a chance to talk to my nephew at Christmas about one of the UT players who is no longer playing. There has been a lot of misinformation on that situation as well. I had posted before that he did not have any type of a career ending injury. That is true. He was basically told how the situation was going to be handled and what he was going to say if he wanted to keep his scholarship. My nephew also said that he would be playing right now if Joplin were still the coach. Take it for what it's worth, but I know enough about the player and family to know that he is not lying. I don't know if there is more behind it such as he was giving enough effort, etc. I don't get it. I was surprised to hear that he did not have a serious knee problem as was reported often.

So I'm guessing you're talking about Zac Taylor...?

Well, Taylor is still on scholarship, although not playing. We could certainly use him. The number of players we have lost over the last 3 or 4 years is astounding.

Although I have been critical of some of the things Cross has done, none of us know what marching orders O'Brien gave him. As far as we know, O'Brien could be perfectly happy with what's going on.

Joplin is teaching elementary school because he's poison in the coaching ranks. Not that HE did anything wrong, but gambling to the NCAA is about the same as a capital crime. I'm sure the situation (still going on) limited what O'Brien could, or couldn't do, in terms of hiring a new coach.


There's probably more action in that classroom then there ever was in reality associated with the Rockets.
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I think this situation with the mens basketball program has been a combination of bad timing, bad luck, and bad decision-making. We apparently overestimated the attractiveness of the job and tried to replace the coach at the peak of the gambling scandal. What devastation would have been wrought by waiting one year to make the hire? We were competing against OU and KSU for some of the same candidates and there would have been no competition last year. We haven't shown much administrative support for the program for years and we thought a shiny new building might obscure that fact. It obviously didn't. The search committee's first choice took his name out of contention before even interviewing and the second choice didn't like our buyout clause. Are we really going to lose the coach we want because we're afraid he'll be so successful his first two years and someone will hire him away so we pass on him by not giving up a buyout clause? We are paying way too much for an unproven commodity. Right now we have decent players but a bad combination of a lack of depth and experience along with players who don't fit all the holes and a coach who is learning on the job. Nobody but me seems to care about winning. Cross is more concerned about instituting his system and the athletic department is only concerned with donations. And another thing I'm sick of is people saying we have to fire a coach with one year left because he'll be a lame-duck and then saying we have to give a new coach at least three years to put his program together. I'm so damn sick of losing I can't stand going to games and basketball used to be my favorite sport. I can't even stand watching more than ten minutes of a good basketball game because it reminds me of what we don't have at UT. We see the players and coaches we have. We see how Cross recruits and if you can't tell by the 15 palyers he's brought in then you are blind. These players will improve as will Cross but it's fool hardy to believe that this team will be a 22 game winner, MAC champion, or Sweet 16 team any time soon.
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I don't follow basketball much at all anymore other than to catch the scores of the games they continue to lose. All I know is that if he has brought in 15 players, then I don't know what that says about the direction the program is going in. Right now it is abysmal. This isn't like HS where a young team loaded with freshmen and sophomores will grow and matrue and become juniors and seniors in 2 years when everyone else has graduated their starters. This team needs to perform now to give any hope there is much of a future. I don't know what you mean by being blind about the recruits he has brought in. Other than Barnett, I haven't heard of any other guys that remain on the team that indicate we have some guys that could start for other programs in the MAC.
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Like it or not, Coach Cross has been tasked with rebuilding a program that was damaged by scandal and a previous coach who left a huge upperclassmen void. With his first real recruiting class, he has chosen to take the long road, starting with all freshmen instead of loading up with JuCos. It will be painful while the younger players essentially learn on the job but I commend him for having the courage to act with the long term in mind.

I personally have no stomach for taking a lot of chances on kids who are good ball players but are poor students or shady characters. We've already seen what can happen in that situation. I have faith that Gene Cross has recruited the right kind of players for his program. He knows what is at stake better than any of us since it's his career on the line.
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(12-27-2009 11:19 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I don't know what you mean by being blind about the recruits he has brought in. Other than Barnett, I haven't heard of any other guys that remain on the team that indicate we have some guys that could start for other programs in the MAC.

What I was saying is that we know the type of recruit Cross is going to bring in so there is almost no chance that we will see any JC's, CC's, or transfers; and he won't take chances with highly-talented but academically-marginal players. We have good, but not outstanding players. In other words, I don't see a major impact player who would significantly change the direction of our program coming our way. Next year we will have two Seniors, two Juniors, four Sophomores, and five Frosh. We will be better, but so will other young MAC teams. Unless we improve significantly, we will be lucky to break 500. The year after that, assuming no mass defections or injuries, we should be still-better, but as I look at the direction and recruiting going on around the MAC, I don't see us being better than Akron, Ball State, or Ohio for sure, and probably not better than Miami and Kent. All of those teams are further ahead than UT and seem to be improving more quickly. Kent has had academic and character issues which could disrupt things for them, but they've been getting by with these types for years. Everybody else in the MAC is at least as good as Toledo, if not better. Whether or not we're able to overtake them remains to be seen. We'll begin to peak in Cross' fifth year, but I just don't see us becoming an elite team in his first five years. I hate being a pessimist, I just don't see a NCAA tourney bid coming our way.
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I'd agree with that assessment, Jeff. It's my belief that Coach Cross wants to build a team of solid, consistent players instead of showboating ballers. Without a doubt, it's going to take some time, but will pay serious dividends in the future. Teams like that are more consistent from year to year and don't live or die by the performance of a couple players. It's also safer because you don't have to take as many risks on high-impact players.

I want us to win as badly as anyone else, but it's hard for me to argue with doing things the right way instead of the quick way.
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(12-28-2009 11:41 AM)Photodan Wrote:  I want us to win as badly as anyone else, but it's hard for me to argue with doing things the right way instead of the quick way.

I don't know that we're doing things the right way when we're chasing off a teams' worth of recruits. That's not the way to build a winning program. There's nothing wrong with putting a winner together quickly and "right" and "quick" aren't necessarily diametric opposites. There's also nothing wrong with recruiting a talented player who may not have had the greatest educational opportunities. Even Coles does that and he's probably the best coach in the league. Joplin received small honors for having among the highest APR scores in the country, but the media calls Urban Meyer a true hero for giving kids with dui's second and third chances. I'm not saying we should recruit criminals but we shouldn't require all our athletes be Eagle Scouts with 4.0 GPA's either. I'd be comfortable if our basketball team was a reflection of the student body in general with some being gifted academically and some athletically. We have a decent core of players but I would have no problem if Cross were to extend the opportunity to a talented player to get a college education and be mentored to be a productive citizen and first generation college grad despite coming from an educationally deprived background. I don't think we should snob players who can be cleared by the NCAA.
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promised not to wade back into any troubled waters on this thread

just wanted to add that the gambling thing wasn't the brainchild or result of "risky" recruits. the guys charged were basically all kids that adjusted fine to college life and graduated; kashif was a good student, tripp (who was involved in one DV incident, in which he was not charged w anything) was a solid student, currie was considered a good kid, Villegas was moody and a little cocky but was not viewed as an academic or social risk coming in. in fact, the kids who were considered risks (academically or otherwise) - valencia and kent - were untouched by the scandal and had as much opportunity as any to be involved.

jop had an undeserved rep for recruiting risky kids or "thugs" largely because he recruited mostly inner city players. in reality, his teams had less player turnover, legal/off court issues, and academic problems than most D1 schools deal with. the gambling thing was an anamoly. unfortunately it will be his legacy more than the way he learned to improve how the program supported kids from often mediocre academic backgrounds and graduate them at the highest levels in the country. tino valencia is really the model joplin recruit. a tough kid from a rough neighborhood who was a bit underrecruited cause of his background and low test scores, but who ended up being a team leader, NCAA sportsmanship award winner and college graduate. the kids (and adults) who got mixed up in gambling (even if their role may be less nefarious than made out to be) really tarnished a lot of people's legacy and reputation. the ironic thing is that the man most responsible for the ethics of the athletes, and the one directly involved in both the offending programs (football and hoops), walked away unscathed and with a big contract extension.
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(12-28-2009 02:53 PM)pono Wrote:  promised not to wade back into any troubled waters on this thread

just wanted to add that the gambling thing wasn't the brainchild or result of "risky" recruits. the guys charged were basically all kids that adjusted fine to college life and graduated; kashif was a good student, tripp (who was involved in one DV incident, in which he was not charged w anything) was a solid student, currie was considered a good kid, Villegas was moody and a little cocky but was not viewed as an academic or social risk coming in. in fact, the kids who were considered risks (academically or otherwise) - valencia and kent - were untouched by the scandal and had as much opportunity as any to be involved.

jop had an undeserved rep for recruiting risky kids or "thugs" largely because he recruited mostly inner city players. in reality, his teams had less player turnover, legal/off court issues, and academic problems than most D1 schools deal with. the gambling thing was an anamoly. unfortunately it will be his legacy more than the way he learned to improve how the program supported kids from often mediocre academic backgrounds and graduate them at the highest levels in the country. tino valencia is really the model joplin recruit. a tough kid from a rough neighborhood who was a bit underrecruited cause of his background and low test scores, but who ended up being a team leader, NCAA sportsmanship award winner and college graduate. the kids (and adults) who got mixed up in gambling (even if their role may be less nefarious than made out to be) really tarnished a lot of people's legacy and reputation. the ironic thing is that the man most responsible for the ethics of the athletes, and the one directly involved in both the offending programs (football and hoops), walked away unscathed and with a big contract extension.

Totally agree, although I don't think firing MOB would solve anything anymore than it was solved by firing Stan.
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We'll see how he does. It does bother/concern me that a guy like Albrecht decided to leave the program. I don't think anyone saw that coming and I'm not sure what is at the heart of that decision. I also have concerns why Taylor seems to have been dropped from the program when the word I'm getting (albeit 2nd hand) is that his knee is not the issue for not being on the team. I'm not feeling good about the situation right now. More time and we'll know if he is just not ready to be a D-I head coach. Never liked the idea of taking on a coach that had no head coaching experience with a proven track record for running the entire program. I think both the football and BB coaches had the same issue. Let's hope they are learning and implementing changes quickly to get caught up.
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I like Stan a lot and I also think it's unfair that he took a hit because of the troubles of a few players but the fact is, he took big chances on an entire class and lost. Most of them never even set foot in Savage Hall. This must have been a large factor in his termination.

Both of these factors have affected the way Coach Cross has to run things. The player shortage and the timing of Cross' hiring meant that he had to grab any player he could, regardless of their fit into his system. Now that he has a class of freshmen that he chose for their ability to run his system, he is changing more to that system and some players don't fit any more. I'm not surprised that many from that first haphazard recruiting class have left.

Because of the point shaving allegations, Cross has to run a program that's cleaner than clean. Public perception is important but I think you also have to assume that the NCAA is still watching. Just because they haven't said anything or taken action against UT, at this point, doesn't mean the whole affair has been forgotten. A new coach at a school that is trying to move on from scandal isn't in a great position to take a lot of chances.
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(12-28-2009 03:41 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  We'll see how he does. It does bother/concern me that a guy like Albrecht decided to leave the program. I don't think anyone saw that coming and I'm not sure what is at the heart of that decision.

From what I've gathered, he left for the reasons that were stated publicly, nothing more. There doesn't seem to be anything else to the story.
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