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(12-16-2009 10:48 AM)amsterdam1702 Wrote:  

(12-15-2009 11:59 PM)Smooth Wrote:  

(12-15-2009 10:39 PM)HellBlazer Wrote:  DO you think that Shumann can develop players like Neal and Clay did??

I dont' think so.............

To be fair, and everyone here will hate me for liking Schumann, but he has done a decent job at his own position. Chase Daniel has been very good back there, and he was forced to play as a true freshman in a pass happy conference.


This past year we witnessed him being forced to work through nearly the entire fall with Stafford (walk on) and a hodge podge of other safeties. His spot has been easily the most beat up spot on all of the team.

C. Daniel
H. Atwater
E. McGaskin

All missed this past year. It's not a position you want to play more than two players at (and with good reason) and yet by my count we played 7 safeties this past year. In key points in games, not just the junk time.


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Now, you guys will hate me because I have taken the time to speak with each of our coaches since they've been here. They've been more than kind to take their time to talk football with me, and Schumann has talked in depth with me. He's a great person and really loves this city, this school, and the kids here. My confidence comes from knowing football and seeing that the man is not a bumbling idiot as many of you claim.

Yea, he's been pretty bad here, but my experiences tell me that he is not ignorant, and he knows that work needs to be done. All this said, we can be a very good football team next year.




O yeah, and FN Blazer... he does have one bowl win.

Wow nearly that whole post was incorrect. Take a look at Schumann's career record as a D-coordinator and the stats for his defenses and perhaps you will change your mind. Plus, we did not play 7 safeties this year. Chase missed the second half with his second concussion, Hiram missed Troy and sat most of FAu, and McGaskin missed just a little time due to injury. Now I know having #4 is gonna hurt anybody's defense, but i still have absolutely no faith in Schumann's d. Next year I will be hoping for the best and expecting the worst, the 120th defense in the nation, as I always do.

We played...

1. Daniel
2. Atwater
3. McGaskin
4. Smartt
5. Carlisle
6. Stafford
7. Ferguson

All in key parts of games. In the Ole Miss game Ferguson was beat deep on both of their long touchdown passes in the second quarter.

And we never got to play Wilson, who was from what I heard going to be our best safety period.

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Now explain to me where nearly my entire post was incorrect...


1. Chase Daniel was forced to play as a true freshman in a pass happy conference and did well. This seems to say that Schumann did a good job developing him.

2. He worked through nearly the entire fall with Stafford as a starter at safety, and had to start him in the first game. Stafford was a walk on until we used a scholarship on him due to him starting. He also started the fall as a corner.

3. We did play 7 different players at safety, including two corners.

4. I stated that from speaking with him he loves this city, this school, and the kids here. Anyone who has spoken with him will not tell you otherwise.

5. I stated that from my impressions speaking with him he was not a complete bumbling idiot as many of you suggest, and he is obviously upset with how the defense is playing. You suggest that he is complacent.

6. And I acknowledged the fact that he has only had two above average defenses since 2002, and that 2/8 is not acceptable.

7. I stated that he had in fact went to, and won, one bowl game. If you ask Tulane fans who was responsible for that turnaround and bowl game many of them will say Schumann. It's the reason they were high on him when we hired him.


So explain to me where my entire post was incorrect. My main qualms with people is not them criticizing him here, that's fair. I just stated that at HIS position he hasn't done a terrible job with the guys he has. After all, at safety you are prepared to play at MOST four safeties throughout the course of a season (with the rest on scout team) and he was forced to prepare 7 to PLAY IN GAMES.


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OK, resume to bashing me. Despite the fact that I understand our defense has been awful.

(12-16-2009 12:50 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(12-16-2009 11:52 AM)BlazerCPA1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2009 11:37 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(12-16-2009 11:08 AM)BlazerCPA1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2009 10:59 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  The reason I believe they recruit JuCos is because they can't seem to develop high schoolers. I can't think of anyone they've developed. Their recruits for the most part is on the clock now outside of Forrest, Turner, Jones, Creel, McRae, Waller, and Anderson. While they've found some good Jucos in Atwater, Slaughter, and Wilson we have to get more high schoolers in.

Seriously? What about Chase Daniel, Elliot Hennigan, Matt McCants, Terrence Edge, Patrick Hearn, Terrell Springs, Lemanski Ware, Greg Calhoun? All high school players that have been big contributors and continued to improve? I forgot Chris Hubbard, the 245lbs olineman that we all had doubts about, that went on to be a CUSA All Freshman Team Right Tackle.

Well they started if they are on the field they will get some stat right? Hearn two catches or so great he is a talent he hasnt been developed yet. I feel alot of these guys are just playing and producing on their own God giving talent no coaching. To finish Hubbard's All Freshman Team dosent mean much to me with one start. Daniel was stud at Hoover regardless of his star rating. Hell Joe was a five star to me when I played him at Ensley. Springs still is taking his lumps ,and doesn't scare anybody. Ware I knew he was good when he was in the tenth grade still feel he isn't being coached up he has Henderson potenial. Henigan is good 47 tackles four sacks only 19 were solo would be a great D-end. McCants, Edge, and Calhoun no stats for them really and sometimes stats are meaningless but they really haven't dominated anyone also probably the best one didn't play this season.

Again, seriously? Hearn had 2 catches, one of which was a touchdown at the end of the year, playing at our deepest position. Forrest, Ferrell and Anderson caught most of the passes this season, so for a freshman to come in and make even a couple of plays is saying something. Daniel may have been good at Hoover, but this is D1 football, he has gotten better since he started the first game. Ware went from 23 tackles in 2008 to 71 in 2009, that is called getting better, and you can't say he didn't play in 08, we had no linebackers. Henigan was the leading dline tackler, as a dlineman he isn't going to get many solo tackles, but he did have 9.5 tackles for loss, and forced 3 fumbles. Springs was our best Db, which isn't saying much, but if you watched the games, he didn't get thrown at much and he made plays on the ball, evidenced by his 10 pass breakups and 1 Int.

Calhoun and McCants are offensive lineman, they don't get stats, aside from being a big part of the rushing yards of the team. We were a top 25 rushing team in the country, Joe did a lot of that on his own, but they helped, did you see the big holes that Slaughter had when he rushed for 100 yards on 4 carries? They were getting it done. And McCants only played 1 year of high school football, that is called developing.

Hearn, lol Moore could've did that. Okay how hard is that or how much coaching goes into that? He bout was taught that in high school maybe. Daniel a little adjusting was needed and by way playing alot got him that still doubt he was coached up. Ware didn't play much as Freshman and I wondered why especially after his Tulane game. Luker started much of that season and we had Henderson also. This year Luker didn't play more than Ware. Henigan is good I still believe it's his own talent and he's not being coached up. Springs took his lumps as I said, lol they threw on everybody this season Quis had three picks took one to the house he still got abused, I saw the same with Atwater at times. The OLine guys, lol if you at times couldn't throw and didn't look to throw what else are you going to do but run? Joe or Greg had an article were Joe told lineman to get out the way to avoid the penelties. McCants same as Daniel to me.

Ok, you named nine out of what? What happened with the rest?
Ellis injuries, Wright, Arthur, Dailey, Ferguson, others in the 2007,2008,2009 classes?

McCants played 1 season of football and now he is a consistent left tackle in D1 football, all by athletic ability? At least give Callaway and Friend credit for oline development, they have a few former players playing on Sundays, so they know something.

Joe told the lineman not to block so they wouldn't get a penalty when he was scambling around, not because they suck. The blocking was good, regardless of the play calling.

As far as the others go, not every player you sign will come in and play in a year or 3 years, that is true for us and everyone else.

Ware played in 11 games in 2008 and started 5, why is so hard to admit that he has gotten better?

Henigan went from 29 tackles and little impact, to 47 and being a force at the end of the year. You can even go back to last year and see that Sanders improved dramatically in the last half of the season and that was due to coaching.

I can't read the rest of what you said, there is some serious grammer, logic, sentence structure issues.

Just so we're clear from now on, instead of saying "developing players" we are now saying "playing with raw talent"?

Got it.

(12-16-2009 09:00 AM)BlazerCPA1 Wrote:  Not that I want to keep arguing with you, but your comparison is apples and oranges. For starters, the quality of players, especially from a work ethic standpoint was much better from Hyler to Brown than it was from Brown to Callaway, even with DIAA scholly numbers, Brown still had more quality players to start with. Secondly, your "wins" in 96-98 include 2 wins over Jacksonville St, 2 wins over Tenn Tech, 2 wins over Western Kentucky, 1 win over Tenn Martin and 6 wins over SunBelt teams. That is 7 wins over D1AA or lower and 6 wins over the lowest conference in DIA football. And that period included some losses to some bad teams, like Lousiana Monroe and UCf before they were D1A. 1999 was the first season with quality wins, though still only 5, which is what Callaway just did and that was year 5 of Watson's tenure.

We won 5 games, we lost to the better teams on our schedule (at least 6 wins), beat all the bad teams, and beat 1 team that had a better record than us. Brown never did that, we always lost to an inferior team, even when we had winning records.

As far as the defense goes, I would say that never in our history have we played the best offenses in the country like we have the last 3 years. In 2007, we faced 3 starting NFL tailbacks, one of which will be a probowler this year, in 2008 we played 4 of the top 50 offenses in the country and this year we played 6 of the top 50. Again, apples and oranges comparisons to prior years.

Come on! You're grasping as straws. The post above already points out your misrepresentation of the completion we faced those first three years of Div 1 so I won't go into that except to point out that we played some good teams too. The very first year (1996) we played 3 BCS teams. That group included Auburn in the very first game and we gave them a run for their money most of the game. I know, I was there! The other two BCS teams that year were Maryland and Vanderbilt and we also played Cincinnati. Even with those four "guaranteed" loses we won 5 games out of the remaining 7. The second year (1997) we played Kansas, Virginia Tech, Arizona, and Cincinnati - the latter two we lost to by a total of only 18 points. We again won 5 of the remaining 7 games. The next year (1998) we played #3 Nebraska, #21 Virginia Tech, #2 Tennessee and we really weren't embarrassed in any of those games. We also played Kansas a 4 over time game which we lost by 2 points (39-37). I also know that in those first three years we were never rated below 70th in the polls while Callaway's teams have been rated south of 100th most of three years in a row. Now let's list which teams Callaway's teams beat in his first two years: Alcorn St., Alabama St. Tulane (twice), Marshall, and UCF. Big Whoop!!! And then 4 of the 5 teams we beat this year weren't just bad, they were terrible: UTEP - 113th, Florida Atlantic - 117th, Memphis - 129th, and Rice - 143rd. Even Southern Miss had a bad year for them - 67th; I’ll bet there the Southern Miss fans are moaning about that lost to a bad UAB team.

But just for the sake of argument let's say that Callaway's teams these last three years were every bit as good as Brown's teams in his worst three years, our first three years in Div 1A. Don't you understand how sad that is?[/b]

Christ, Cajun. We whip hell out of a ranked UC team tonight and you gotta post pissing on football again?

Give it a rest.

Two observations from tonights game:

1) Cincinnati's football offense puts up a hell of a lot more points; and
2) Schumann's defense gives up a hell of a lot more points.

(12-16-2009 11:31 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Christ, Cajun. We whip hell out of a ranked UC team tonight and you gotta post pissing on football again?

Give it a rest.

I know, I was at the game. Great win. I had already written my reply to the post before the game so I just posted it. Just taking care of unfinished business. By the way, if you are so stoked about the basketball game, what are you doing reading posts about the football team.

It was at the top and I had not read it. Kinda wished I hadn't afterward.