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(12-14-2009 06:42 PM)animus Wrote:  
(12-14-2009 06:36 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  
(12-14-2009 03:57 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I love the bowl system. It is such a unique way to end the season and totally unique to college football. I love the pageantry and each bowl trying to put on their own show. I like how half the teams get end the year on a positive note, instead of just 1.

If we ever get to the point where the it's either playoffs or no national champion, I say we just ditch the rankings entirely. The goal of every team each season can be to win their conference, go undefeated, and win their bowl game.

I thought the goal of every team was to win the National Championship. CFB is the only sport where this doesn't occur. Hoping for a bowl game or even regular BCS games are a false goal.

Hell, Cincy, TCU and BSU won their conference, went undefeated, but still won't play for the MNC. Until that is solved, it is all crap.

What if CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt, and the WAC get left out of the playoffs? Its propably going to be set up that way. Will that be anymore fair. Hell Boise St wouldn't get the chance to be in the playoffs unless they get in as an at large. Look at the March Madness tourny for example. If your a bubble team in a minor conference your most likely going to get bumbed out by a less deserving team from a major conference. Everything is about money so a 9-3 LSU would make more money for a playoff system than a ECU or N. Illinios would. Its the nature of the beast and people need to get it through their heads.

If you're in a "minor" conference, win your conference....period. In most cases, only one should be invited. Cincy did everything they could, and still didn't get in the MNC. UA and UT got in based on their past. Everyone can agree UT/UA has a better past than Cincy or most programs. But that shouldn't factor in to THIS season. Playoffs playoffs playoffs.

I mean there are 10-13 teams that will ever be "allowed" to compete in the current MNC.
12-14-2009 07:15 PM
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It is laughable this topic is on the Big East board. You want big-time respect, but you cry like a MAC or Sun Belt school. Then you wonder why your own coaches treat you as such.

Last I checked, you were a Big 6 conference, and last I checked, WVU would have played in the national title game in 2007 had they not choked at home against an inferior team and in 2006 a Big East team would have been there if someone could have won the conference without a loss.
12-14-2009 07:33 PM
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(12-14-2009 05:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I have to disagree. He did not think it was anywhere near the equivalent of the NIT.
How do you know that?
Quote:The BCS has diminished the importance of the non-championship bowls, there's no denying that, but even the smaller bowls are still far bigger than the NIT.
That is why I used the phrase "symbolic not literal." Anyway, I do not believe for one second that -- for example -- the Alamo Bowl or the International Bowl or the Emerald Bowl would be any less "important" from a financial/media standpoint even if you had the Top 8-12-16 whatever teams in a traditional play-off like FCS and all the other college football divisions have. If there is any evidence to the contrary, I would be happy to hear about it.
Quote:Michigan's basketball coach left the year they went to the championship before the NCAA Tournament. That doesn't imply he didn't think the NCAA tournament was important.
Bill Frieder wanted to coach the NCAA games. Bo Schembechler told him thanks-but-no-thanks and don't let the door hit you on the way out. And so Steve Fisher got the call.
12-14-2009 08:02 PM
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(12-14-2009 05:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-14-2009 04:15 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I hope the congress can pass the latest bill and remove the label national champ from that title BCS game. Really, it should be renamed to Big Money Bowl. How can anyone claim Bama or Texas are the champ when there will be other undefeated teams left?

Look, I understand why people don't like the BCS system. I get it and have my own issues with it. However, there have been plenty of incidents in history where there have been multiple undefeated teams long before the BCS system was created. The world didn't end and Congress didn't get involved. At the same time, the only way that the non-BCS schools would've been able to go to the Sugar or Fiesta Bowls in the pre-BCS days would've been to buy tickets through a scalper. Yet these schools are all of the sudden disenfranchised BECAUSE of the BCS system??? These schools have received opportunities way beyond their financial value and what they had received for the better part of 100 years. If the non-BCS schools simply think that the bowl system has always sucked, then that's one thing. However, it's disingenuous to say that the BCS system has been the root of their problems because that's clearly not the case.

I actually think that the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. No one seems to care at all about strength of schedule anymore - it seems like being undefeated is all that matters. With the limited schedule of 12 games, I think that this is an unrealistic and ludicrous position to take. There needs to be context - I still believe that going undefeated in the MWC or WAC isn't anywhere near as impressive as getting through any of the BCS conferences with 1 loss (much less the fact that 3 BCS teams happen to be undefeated this year). Did Hawaii deserve to be in the national championship game 2 years ago just because it was undefeated? Heck no and that would've been the worst championship game in history. I think that TCU might be specifically legit this year, but saying that any random undefeated team from a non-BCS conference is supposedly worthy of a championship slot automatically just because it's undefeated is ignoring reality. There is so much more depth in the BCS conferences that it's simply a massive difference. Call me crazy, but I think that going 7, 8 or 9 games back-to-back against power conference schools to be much more indicative than 1 or 2 non-conference games. Maybe that's "elitist", but people need to get some perspective on these artificially gaudy win-loss records. I know that's an unpopular position in this day and age, yet someone needs to say it.

Frank - You are right the new BCS system is better for non-BCS schools. That being said, it is still not a true national championship as long as you got people forming opinions about who should play. If they remove the championship label, then all the BCS bowls will be equal. The short term system is do a plus one system which they are not willing to do so far. Long term wise they need a playoff or just don't call it the national championship game. Bottom line is just because a system has improved does not mean it is perfect.
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(12-14-2009 10:26 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Frank - You are right the new BCS system is better for non-BCS schools. That being said, it is still not a true national championship as long as you got people forming opinions about who should play. If they remove the championship label, then all the BCS bowls will be equal. The short term system is do a plus one system which they are not willing to do so far. Long term wise they need a playoff or just don't call it the national championship game. Bottom line is just because a system has improved does not mean it is perfect.

I agree - this system is far from perfect. The thing is that everyone has a different definition of "perfect" for a new proposal - some think that a playoff should be limited to 8 teams in order to keep the importance of the regular season (I'm in this group), others think that the only "fair" way to do anything is to allow every conference champ into a playoff system, others want a seeded plus-one, etc. It's the old adage in politics - it's way easier to be AGAINST something than it is to be FOR something. Lots of people are against the BCS - that's the easy part of the equation. The tough part, though, is having a new system that those people can agree up.

I hate bringing up the health care debate again, but it's incredibly similar (albeit about a much more important and serious issue). Every poll in recent history says that Americans want some type of national health care system, but when politicians actually start proposing a detailed national health care system, then everyone starts screaming and yelling at each other and that proposal becomes massive unpopular. So, national health care is very popular as an abstract thought, but extremely messy and unpopular once people start getting into details. It's the same thing with a college football playoff - it's very popular as an abstract thought, but the problem is that no one can agree on the details. Everyone thinks that his or her own playoff proposal is the best, but that doesn't matter if a majority of others don't agree.

Eventually, I think that an unseeded plus one will end up being the compromise. Everyone other than the SEC and ACC is extremely against the seeded plus-one model (specifically because it looks too much like a playoff), but they probably can be convinced to do an unseeded plus-one. I'd personally be fine with that as it would return the BCS bowls to their traditional roots permanently and they'll all potentially have meaning again. It's not perfect, but we'll go around in circles forever if perfection is the standard on this issue.
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Some of the bad things about College football were mentioned in the Blog. It is biased and large schools from the SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten have built in advantages over the other schools. Its for all of these reasons mentioned in the Blog why I prefer the NFL over college football. I still enjoy watching the college games but all these biased polls and reputations makes me enjoy the NFL more as things are settled on the field and every team has a chance.
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(12-14-2009 11:00 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  So, national health care is very popular as an abstract thought, but extremely messy and unpopular once people start getting into details.
If it's any consolation, I am opposed to "national health-care" as an abstract thought, and also opposed to the specific bills that get coughed up from time to time. (If by "national health care," you mean anything along the lines of the systems put in place in Canada, Britain, Western Europe generally).
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(12-14-2009 11:20 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  Some of the bad things about College football were mentioned in the Blog. It is biased and large schools from the SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten have built in advantages over the other schools. Its for all of these reasons mentioned in the Blog why I prefer the NFL over college football. I still enjoy watching the college games but all these biased polls and reputations makes me enjoy the NFL more as things are settled on the field and every team has a chance.

Up until this year, I was never an NFL fan. It just wasn't my thing, I was raised as an Ohio State fan, went to a few games every year, and I loved the pageantry and authenticity of college football. Went to college, became a big UC fan, etc etc. Just never had much energy for the pro game. But throughout this season, as UC fans got a first-hand glimpse into how this all works, I've honestly watched twice as much pro ball as I have college ball during the second half of the season. Know why? Because it's decided on the field! *gasp!* Imagine, a sport where the name on your jersey is totally irrelevant (as it should be) where the score at the end of the game is the only thing that counts (as it should be) and if you win more than you lose, you usually have a right to PLAY for the championship (as it should be). the NFL's got some issues but at least they can get those fundamental concepts down pat. Now all I gotta do is find a specific team to root for... 04-cheers
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