Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

(12-09-2009 11:19 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

We do not have any NCAA DII wins- We lost to Harding. St. Gregory's and Lyon are NAIA.

To be honest, us playing NAIA schools is really no different than BCS schools playing SWAC schools. I think both both Kansas and the Chickenhawgs beat Alcorn State by about 60 points. Not sure we could find a team we could beat by 60. So it's basically an exhibition game for those schools as well, but technically Alcorn State is a DI team. We just don't want to pay a school $40,000, when we can get away paying $4,000. I guarantee you that Kansas fans are no more excited to see Alcorn State on their schedule, than we are to see St. Gregory's. And our games against NAIA schools were actually a lot more competitive than their games against SWAC type schools.

(12-09-2009 12:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 11:19 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

We do not have any NCAA DII wins- We lost to Harding. St. Gregory's and Lyon are NAIA.

To be honest, us playing NAIA schools is really no different than BCS schools playing SWAC schools. I think both both Kansas and the Chickenhawgs beat Alcorn State by about 60 points. Not sure we could find a team we could beat by 60. So it's basically an exhibition game for those schools as well, but technically Alcorn State is a DI team. We just don't want to pay a school $40,000, when we can get away paying $4,000. I guarantee you that Kansas fans are no more excited to see Alcorn State on their schedule, than we are to see St. Gregory's. And our games against NAIA schools were actually a lot more competitive than their games against SWAC type schools.

Also, the last couple of DI schools we "bought" didn't turn out so well. Both Belmont and Texas-Arlington came in and beat us. So we are out $30,000-$40,000, we have an "L" that counts on our record, and we take an RPI hit as well. I'm not saying I'm in favor of playing nonDI teams- I'm not. But I can certainly see some rational ($) reasons for doing so.

(12-09-2009 12:49 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 12:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 11:19 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

We do not have any NCAA DII wins- We lost to Harding. St. Gregory's and Lyon are NAIA.

To be honest, us playing NAIA schools is really no different than BCS schools playing SWAC schools. I think both both Kansas and the Chickenhawgs beat Alcorn State by about 60 points. Not sure we could find a team we could beat by 60. So it's basically an exhibition game for those schools as well, but technically Alcorn State is a DI team. We just don't want to pay a school $40,000, when we can get away paying $4,000. I guarantee you that Kansas fans are no more excited to see Alcorn State on their schedule, than we are to see St. Gregory's. And our games against NAIA schools were actually a lot more competitive than their games against SWAC type schools.

Also, the last couple of DI schools we "bought" didn't turn out so well. Both Belmont and Texas-Arlington came in and beat us. So we are out $30,000-$40,000, we have an "L" that counts on our record, and we take an RPI hit as well. I'm not saying I'm in favor of playing nonDI teams- I'm not. But I can certainly see some rational ($) reasons for doing so.

If we can't afford to bring D1 schools to Little Rock, then maybe we need to rethink. I think it was PTJR who suggested we play a big money game on the road to bring in another D1 opponent. How about two big money games. That would eliminated the need to play lower division schools that don't even count on our record. So we have two guaranteed losses most seasons. So what. We're losing games on the road anyway. Why not get paid big bucks for it so we can upgrade our home schedule. Either we're a D1 program or we're not. If we are, let's act like one.

(12-09-2009 02:30 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 12:49 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 12:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 11:19 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

We do not have any NCAA DII wins- We lost to Harding. St. Gregory's and Lyon are NAIA.

To be honest, us playing NAIA schools is really no different than BCS schools playing SWAC schools. I think both both Kansas and the Chickenhawgs beat Alcorn State by about 60 points. Not sure we could find a team we could beat by 60. So it's basically an exhibition game for those schools as well, but technically Alcorn State is a DI team. We just don't want to pay a school $40,000, when we can get away paying $4,000. I guarantee you that Kansas fans are no more excited to see Alcorn State on their schedule, than we are to see St. Gregory's. And our games against NAIA schools were actually a lot more competitive than their games against SWAC type schools.

Also, the last couple of DI schools we "bought" didn't turn out so well. Both Belmont and Texas-Arlington came in and beat us. So we are out $30,000-$40,000, we have an "L" that counts on our record, and we take an RPI hit as well. I'm not saying I'm in favor of playing nonDI teams- I'm not. But I can certainly see some rational ($) reasons for doing so.

If we can't afford to bring D1 schools to Little Rock, then maybe we need to rethink. I think it was PTJR who suggested we play a big money game on the road to bring in another D1 opponent. How about two big money games. That would eliminated the need to play lower division schools that don't even count on our record. So we have two guaranteed losses most seasons. So what. We're losing games on the road anyway. Why not get paid big bucks for it so we can upgrade our home schedule. Either we're a D1 program or we're not. If we are, let's act like one.

I think we are acting like the majority of midmajors. I don't have time to check it our right now, but I bet most play a nonDI game if their conference allows it. I know almost all the Sun Belt schools do.

It is very common.

(12-09-2009 04:12 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 02:30 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 12:49 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 12:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 11:19 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Since none of the important rating services (RPI, Sagarin, etc.) recognize D2 games as wins or losses, it's probably not fair that we count those D2 games as wins, since they don't. So if we go back two season ago, we only effectively won 18 games. Last year we were a legitimate 23 wins. But this year, we're only being credited with two wins at this point. IMO if that's the way the game is played, then our D2 wins are nothing more than exhibition games. And three exhibition games are too many for our home schedule. Another thing. If you take out the two D2 games, there are several players whose stats aren't near as good. Just trying to keep a real perspective on the season.

We do not have any NCAA DII wins- We lost to Harding. St. Gregory's and Lyon are NAIA.

To be honest, us playing NAIA schools is really no different than BCS schools playing SWAC schools. I think both both Kansas and the Chickenhawgs beat Alcorn State by about 60 points. Not sure we could find a team we could beat by 60. So it's basically an exhibition game for those schools as well, but technically Alcorn State is a DI team. We just don't want to pay a school $40,000, when we can get away paying $4,000. I guarantee you that Kansas fans are no more excited to see Alcorn State on their schedule, than we are to see St. Gregory's. And our games against NAIA schools were actually a lot more competitive than their games against SWAC type schools.

Also, the last couple of DI schools we "bought" didn't turn out so well. Both Belmont and Texas-Arlington came in and beat us. So we are out $30,000-$40,000, we have an "L" that counts on our record, and we take an RPI hit as well. I'm not saying I'm in favor of playing nonDI teams- I'm not. But I can certainly see some rational ($) reasons for doing so.

If we can't afford to bring D1 schools to Little Rock, then maybe we need to rethink. I think it was PTJR who suggested we play a big money game on the road to bring in another D1 opponent. How about two big money games. That would eliminated the need to play lower division schools that don't even count on our record. So we have two guaranteed losses most seasons. So what. We're losing games on the road anyway. Why not get paid big bucks for it so we can upgrade our home schedule. Either we're a D1 program or we're not. If we are, let's act like one.

I think we are acting like the majority of midmajors. I don't have time to check it our right now, but I bet most play a nonDI game if their conference allows it. I know almost all the Sun Belt schools do.

I thought the Sun Belt was getting away from playing non D1 teams. I don't like playing one, but two or three, counting our exhibition game, is certainly too many. We keep thinking we want to make a move up in the basketball hiarerarchy, but we can't do it this way. But I guess the bottom line is what counts, so we do what we have to do.

(12-09-2009 05:31 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  But I guess the bottom line is what counts, so we do what we have to do.

Home and homes don't cost. There are always d1 teams looking for home and homes.

I gotta go with the thinking that any d1 team home and home is better than non d1 games.

(12-09-2009 07:05 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(12-09-2009 05:31 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  But I guess the bottom line is what counts, so we do what we have to do.

Home and homes don't cost. There are always d1 teams looking for home and homes.

I gotta go with the thinking that any d1 team home and home is better than non d1 games.

That's what we've moved to and I think our fans are very pleased with this. Supposedly SMU back out on a home and home real late leaving us scrambling for a game.

(12-09-2009 09:13 PM)mjs Wrote:  That's what we've moved to and I think our fans are very pleased with this. Supposedly SMU back out on a home and home real late leaving us scrambling for a game.

Ah. That happens. What are you going to do.