(12-07-2009 02:52 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  No. Your previous 600 posts make you wrong.

Couldn't think of anything huh.

Yep. Just like you couldn't think of anything 603 times.

Pitt,

Northeast and I are entitled to our opinion that football coming back right now is the wrong move and it has ever bit of validity as your opinion that football should come back.

In the end we are a Division 1aa school and athletics in the end don't make alot of difference. They are entraining and they are basically a marketing program for the college.

You could make the argument that they provide opportunities for kids to get an education but there are much cheaper ways to do that than funding a program losing that much money to do it.

As for your argument that dropping football is leftist what a crock of ignorant rambling. First off there is nothing wrong with being on the left of center which you imply by linking your opinions on football and the left. Just as there is nothing wrong with being on the right. There have been intelligent and great people on both sides of the isle.

I expect better arguments from you Pitt as your x number of posts prove.

(12-08-2009 09:38 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  Pitt,

Northeast and I are entitled to our opinion that football coming back right now is the wrong move and it has ever bit of validity as your opinion that football should come back.

In the end we are a Division 1aa school and athletics in the end don't make alot of difference. They are entraining and they are basically a marketing program for the college.

You could make the argument that they provide opportunities for kids to get an education but there are much cheaper ways to do that than funding a program losing that much money to do it.

As for your argument that dropping football is leftist what a crock of ignorant rambling. First off there is nothing wrong with being on the left of center which you imply by linking your opinions on football and the left. Just as there is nothing wrong with being on the right. There have been intelligent and great people on both sides of the isle.

I expect better arguments from you Pitt as your x number of posts prove.

:ncaabbs:

I would expect more from Northeast than just cheerleading in the previous post, but I digress.

You don't think ETSU is beginning to tilt left?

(12-08-2009 09:38 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  In the end we are a Division 1aa school and athletics in the end don't make alot of difference.

Just a point of clarification/correction. ETSU is now D1AAA, D1AA schools are D1 schools that play FCS football. D1AAA schools are D1 schools that don't play football.

Let's review today class.

D1A=D1 BCS
D1AA=D1 FCS
D1AAA=D1 no football
D 2
D 3

Class dismissed.

Buc Doc i stand corrected

Pitt - i think it is irrelevant whether or not ETSU is shifting left or not. There are certainly alot of people on both sides of the isle that support the college. There are plenty of leftist thinking people who like football around the country. I think its an ignorant attempt to bring politics into it.

The way you made your argument was basically - those stupid lefties they hate football, which I find to be blatantly stupid.

When did it become a character flaw to be left of center or right of center. Hell if being left is then by definition being right of center would have to be too.

Football did not die because Dr. Stanton might be a democrat.

Then how do you explain the Northeast schools dropping the sport, and the Southeastern schools picking it up?

Sure, there are plenty of Democrat or liberal football fans. But the CULTURE of the sport is very right wing; very corporate, be it college or pro.

It is militaristic. The NFL has the weakest union of any of the four major team sports. You've often heard the pointy heads talk about how the game destroys your body, or it reinforces sexist roles (men are to play, women are to cheerlead, that sort of thing). The teams have "politically incorrect" nicknames; Redskins and Chiefs.

Ask yourself- why does Tennessee have a traditionally strong football team and NYU does not? Why has the University of San Francisco dropped football not once, but twice? Why, of all the Ivy League schools, does Columbia traditionally suck the most in football?

To totally dismiss the culture of the universities is the height of naivety.

Yes, golf and tennis are country club sports that generally aren't played in the inner city. But the athletic philosophy of ETSU, if a political climate could be attached to it, would almost have to be described as leftist with football dropped and the "international, beautiful game" of soccer added and the softball team getting a new field first while basketball leads the athletic program.

And if you can convince the public of that, with all due respect to board Democrats, YOU KNOW that's the ticket to outraging the public around here.

Ok if you want to go for completely out my ass (like your left is bad theory) reasons for northeast dropping and southeast adding. How about this and it has more of a chance of being right than yours:

1) weather keeps attendance in the northeast more subdued

or

2) the cost of living is higher in the northeast and it costs more to support programs like

Ok on to you next point the culture being corporate and militaristic. There is more big business in the northeast than any area of the country. NY is the world's business center. So i don't buy that argument. On the militaristic idea come on. There are plenty of war hawk democrats. Hell Jim Webb in Virginia or plenty of others. The right does not get a monopoly on that.

You are just using a generalization to try and support a bogus point. Culture of an area plays a role but there are plenty of liberal areas that support football and other sports. Southern Cal, Boston College, UConn, and many others.

You can argue all you want with how ETSU is run but it is not a problem of people being left of center its an issue you have with Stanton and crew.

I think it is more a matter of climate and culture. It is warmer in the South and the culture is more football orientated. Just my opinion.

The culture is NOT more football orientated in Johnson City than in Pittsburgh.

Weather does not keep fans at Steelers, Browns, Bears, Eagles, Giants, Jets, Patriots, etc. games more subdued. Why would that be the case, then, for Northeastern or Iona, whose schedules are over by the time real cold weather hits, anyway? So it doesn't wash.

Cost of living is not necessarily higher in the Northeast. Here in Pittsburgh, I pay a seven percent sales tax- nothing on food or clothes. In the rural parts of the state it's six.

In Tennessee, it's 9.5 percent. On everything. On Appalachian wages.

NEXT!

Pitt,

Come on, pick up your game.

Weather won't be an issue for major sports programs but for faltering programs like Hofstra and Northeastern it would. Would I freeze my ass to see the Patriots play the Jets probably would I for Hofstra play Maine not so much.

Anyway I even said the weather argument was just pulled out as an example that is just as likely as your bogus leftist theory.

On cost of living sales tax is not a cost of living comparison tool by itself.

Look at the map:

http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicator.../index.stm

You say next but I am waiting for your first argument based on some solid logic.

Both of those arguments were just examples of theories pulled out as easily as your leftist bashing. Neither is a great argument for why northeast schools are getting rid of football but they are much better than leftist colleges.

Colleges have a higher likelihood to have been more left of center than other institutions for awhile and there are many liberal colleges with football programs.

All of this of course is ignoring the main question though. And that is why is ETSU the ONLY state university in the state of Tennessee without football? I have yet to hear a credible answer to that question.

(12-09-2009 01:29 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  All of this of course is ignoring the main question though. And that is why is ETSU the ONLY state university in the state of Tennessee without football? I have yet to hear a credible answer to that question.

As Mr. Floyd stated so eloquently, it is about money. Yes Pink said it best.

I think the northeast is more centered around pro sports. In the absence of pro sports teams in the south college sports became more prominent.

Growing up in the south east, Miami, New Orleans and Atlanta were it for football. Baseball it was Atlanta. Of course you need to have a large city to support a pro baseball team.

So in the void.

31- On a Saturday afternoon in New York in November it may be wet, but it rarely is cold enough to snow.

The average high in November in New York City is 54. The average low is 41.

http://www.ny.com/general/weather.html

In Johnson City, it's 58 and 34. http://www.accuweather.com/us/tn/johnson...0&zipchg=1

So YOU need to step up your game. As I always say, the weather there is the same as it is here.

So, let me get this straight- conventional wisdom says people didn't go to ETSU games because they wanted to be outside in fall weather with temperatures ranging between 58 and 34, but you believe it is too cold for New Yorkers to support Iona because of their 54 to 41 degree temperatures.

Do I have that right?

And 31- I am not advancing some sort of left wing bashing. But culturally, NASCAR and football swing to the right- while baseball and basketball culturally swing more to the left.

It's meant to be a matter-of-fact statement, not a put down.

As far as the cost of living arguement, I will tell you that while I do enjoy having no income tax in Tennessee, it isn't like I've always struggled to make ends meet in Pittsburgh. I have had far more success here, in fact.

But I'm not sure it adds up. PA and Florida have roughly the same cost of living in that map. Yet Penn State, Florida, Florida State, et all draw huge crowds for college football. Pitt and Miami's attendance is a bit more up and down but Miami's been known to sell out and I was there with 65,000 other fans for the Pitt game last Saturday.

I do agree the Northeast is more pro sports orientated- but I think the larger the metro area, the more likely it is to be pro sports orientated. How fast did it take the Titans to overtake Vandy, for instance?

Another example- The Big Ten does not have any problem drawing but most of their schools aren't in pro towns.

So I would argue that the northeast's preference to pro sports is largely because the cities are big enough to have pro franchises. Penn State in State College certainly doesn't have any problem drawing fans.

What I'm getting is a bunch of stereotypes from you, 31, on the northeast that really don't add up.

Then, Northeast, since ETSU is the only school, and it's about the money, we want to know why the administration has totally mismanaged the budget so that it has to be this way.

Thoughts?

Pitt,

If you for once in your life would read a damn post you might not misconstrue it. How many times do I have to say those were 2 examples that were as easy to throw out there as your leftist college crap. I even said that they were not meant to be arguments for why the north has lost more programs than the south but they are both just ideas that happen to be better bad ideas than your leftist bashing.

You said:
I have noticed the majority of the schools that have dropped football over the years are from areas that politically are left of center.

Where I'm going with this, and I don't mean to upset the board Democrats, is football traditionally has been something of a "right wing" game. No, not to the extreme of NASCAR, but it is militaristic, Dave Meggyesy once said something to the effect that in a utopian society football would be obsolete, etc.

A great deal of great football coaches have been known to be conservatives. Vince Lombardi. Joe Paterno once was considered a GOP candidate for Governor of Pennsylvania. Chuck Noll was friends with Spiro Agnew (for whatever that's worth).

So, my question is if the decision to drop football at a college could often be determined not so much about money (though that's the excuse they'll give), but rather a cultural one.

And if dropping football is an indication of ETSU "turning left?

Correct me if I am wrong but to me that basically reads:

ETSU is turning left and thats why they dropped football which is what I am saying is ignorant rubbish. They dropped football because Dr. Stanton and crew didn't want it for whatever reason - whether it be money, pharmacy school, whatever but it wasn't because they were Democrats.