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The Special Teams coach needs to go.

Or get a dedicated special teams coach.

What I can't understand is how fumbles, muffed punts and missed blocking assignments on several punts are a coaches fault. The responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the players and the mental lapses that have plagued this team for the last three years. It's time for these kids to start being athletes and stop the mental mistakes. There is no way coach Beck said "page you've been shagging punts all year, why don't you muff one for a change," or "let's see if we really dig ourselves a hole lets's give away two blocked punts this game."

On every college team, the players are supposidly the best players on their HS teams, now it's time to put the BS asside and man up. We have another long off-season to get our house in order and regroup. Next seaon isn't going to be any easier.

(11-28-2009 11:33 AM)emanoh Wrote:  What I can't understand is how fumbles, muffed punts and missed blocking assignments on several punts are a coaches fault.

That's three good reason teams have coaches. It's not the onesy-twosy, it's a staff that is able to minimalize. Three games, the team was so clearly not prepared to play the first Q, the team was behind three scores before they suddenly became good? That's a coaching issue. Some coaches can manage it and some can't.

Having the best talent wasn't what allowed Meyer, Pinklel, Kelly to have such success at each stop. Having great references doesn't make a coach a good one. It just means they're connected through fate.

If the staff is good, they will take responsibility for these miscues and find a way, with the same talent available. Or, they will move on to a more suitable situation.

I've never seen a coach fumble - nuff said. Either be an athlete or a bench warmer, a player needs to produce if he wants to be on the field. Pinkel had good UT years. He can recruit but we also "had" the best facilities in the MAC, now he has the Big 12 behind him, plus an entire state to himself. I could coach Florida to 8 wins based on their reputation and could recruit with a brochure. Kelly is interesting, but their newfound conference has probably helped, facilities are improving. I give a lot of credit to their previous coach who is now at MSU.

I like how Beck has made a name for himself in the state. Loved the mobile football camps. If we can recruit in the trenches, we'll be OK. I could through all day if our line produces and if our D-line improves the opposing QB's will be on their backs instead of camping out all day with time to throw.

I didn't see what actually happened on those first 2 blocked punts. Was the punter slow getting the kick away? Was the snap bad? Did a blocker miss an assignment? What the heck was the problem on those anyway?

(11-29-2009 01:13 AM)RocketRobert Wrote:  I didn't see what actually happened on those first 2 blocked punts. Was the punter slow getting the kick away? Was the snap bad? Did a blocker miss an assignment? What the heck was the problem on those anyway?

Well they lined up in a stupid punt formation (it seems like almost every college team has a weird punt formation) w/ 3 guys on the line and 3 up backs. They first had 6 guys on the line, then shifted to the 3 and 3. BG just bum rushed Claus and he had no chance. After the 1st blocked punt I saw one of the coaches talking to the long snapper and drawing on a white board, so I wonder if he made a bad call or bad what. Then on the 3rd punt we went to a normal punt formation.

A Coach's job is to make players better.There is no way the final game of the season that you should be getting back to back punts blocked.

Beckman said first punt blocked was a result of missed block by long snapper. 2nd blocked punt result of a missed block by one of the "gladiators" (3 up-backs).

(11-29-2009 08:11 AM)Karl Wrote:  Beckman said first punt blocked was a result of missed block by long snapper. 2nd blocked punt result of a missed block by one of the "gladiators" (3 up-backs).

Interesting that he would pin a missed block on the snapper. Usually, the long snappers main focus is to get the ball back to the punter quickly...if he can chip one of the rushers fine, but the 2nd wave of blockers are typically responsible for the middle rush. Regardless, we should not have had back to back punts blocked. I didn't watch the game, but have noticed in other games how the snap took a while to get to the punter. A poor snap, combined with a full out punt block attempt from the D spells trouble.

Church had back to back blocks against NIU. I remember thinking at the time that somebody (coach)didn't make any adjustments to prevent the second one. Tampa, I thought, too, that the long snapper would have enough to do with snapping and that one of the blocking backs would be assigned to pick up anyone he missed. Karl's post would jibe, however, with the one saying they pulled the LS aside and showed him some stuff on the whiteboard.

Isn't it a rule in college (and maybe in the pro's) that the defense cannot hit the long-snapper on kicks? If that's the case, you certainly can't fault the guy for not getting a block himself.

And FWIW, when BG used to run that stupid punt formation when Brandon was here the main problem was that the guys in front of the kicker were most times to close to him so any kind of rush would push them back right into the kicker giving him no room to kick.

And wasn't at least one of Church's blocks on field goals and not punts?

(11-30-2009 02:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And wasn't at least one of Church's blocks on field goals and not punts?

One field goal, one extra point. NIU apparantly lined up the same way both times and Barry saw something he could exploit. And exploit again when it didn't change.

(11-30-2009 03:11 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2009 02:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And wasn't at least one of Church's blocks on field goals and not punts?

One field goal, one extra point. NIU apparantly lined up the same way both times and Barry saw something he could exploit. And exploit again when it didn't change.

After the game Church said that we saw something on film that we could exploit and he was able to do just that in their first EP and FG.

(11-30-2009 06:53 PM)rocketfootball Wrote:  

(11-30-2009 03:11 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2009 02:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And wasn't at least one of Church's blocks on field goals and not punts?

One field goal, one extra point. NIU apparantly lined up the same way both times and Barry saw something he could exploit. And exploit again when it didn't change.

After the game Church said that we saw something on film that we could exploit and he was able to do just that in their first EP and FG.

Our game plan by our special teams coord. cost us the game against BG, on punt formations.
Simple truth.
Wish he was at the Coaches show tonite to ask what the heck he was thinking.
He was probably out of town recruiting.
Most head coaches are at it this time of year.