(11-22-2009 10:51 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 09:40 AM)50Cent Wrote:  and speaking of covet, isnt it funny how the pious religious folks at notre dame COVET thy neighbors coaches. and willing to throw away 18million in this day and age. unreal.

Of all the things to criticize ND for, this is among the weakest. Every program (including their fanbase) considers and often eventually hires "thy neighbors coaches". Where do you think Kelly was coaching before coming to UC?

And I'm not sure $18M is correct but so what? How much would you have UC eventually pay to keep Kelly around long term? We're building a $13Mish facility primarily because he says he needs it. I wish we had another $18M to utilize with spending on coaches.

that was just a sarcastic jab at nd. the 10th commandment talks to coveting things your neighbor has. notre dame is a religious, catholic institution. im sure god exempt the irish football program and its fans from that commandment. sorry, more sarcasm. but they have a message board linked above has people saying kelly is out because he is prochoice.

as far as the 18million, that seems to be the figure everyone is mentioning. i havent read the contract, so i dont know for sure. but i do think when there is 10 percent unemployment and many people are losing homes etc, lining charlie weis's pockets with that is a bit unseemly just because he doesnt win ENOUGH. He has won more than he lost there. almost 60% of games. nd is perhaps the most hypocritical university there is.

(11-22-2009 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Agreed, I want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alabama. If UCONN jammed it down our throats with a power running game what in the world do you thing a potential Heisman winning RB could do? Give me anyone else but Alabama.

I absolutely want Alabama. These are the kind of games we have to win to really establish ourselves as a top tier program.

(11-22-2009 02:05 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Agreed, I want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alabama. If UCONN jammed it down our throats with a power running game what in the world do you thing a potential Heisman winning RB could do? Give me anyone else but Alabama.

I absolutely want Alabama. These are the kind of games we have to win to really establish ourselves as a top tier program.

And if we get destroyed, which we probably would in that game, all it does is cement the fact you don't belong.

I'm all for statement type games, but Alabama would be a horrible match up for us. Look at what UConn, WVU and Fresno did against UC with their run games. Those teams aren't that good, in the big picture of college football. Ingram would eat this run defense alive. I wouldn't be suprised to see him put up 300 yards against our putrid run defense.

We can't stop the run, and going up against a team with a Heisman contending tailback does NOT put us into a good position. After the loss at the Orange Bowl, if we go into another BCS bowl game and get our asses whipped, it's only going to further the argument that we didn't belong there in the first place.

I want no part of Alabama. Ideally, I would like to play Texas but that won't happen because they will be in the Championship game. Give me a game we can win. Like Boise, Iowa, Georgia Tech etc. We need a win.

And we beat UConn, WVU, and Fresno. Yes our run defense is weak, but our offense is great. I want a shot at one of the big boys.

Beating Boise would be worthless, that game would be treated like a JV game by the media.

(11-22-2009 02:16 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 02:05 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Agreed, I want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alabama. If UCONN jammed it down our throats with a power running game what in the world do you thing a potential Heisman winning RB could do? Give me anyone else but Alabama.

I absolutely want Alabama. These are the kind of games we have to win to really establish ourselves as a top tier program.

And if we get destroyed, which we probably would in that game, all it does is cement the fact you don't belong.

I'm all for statement type games, but Alabama would be a horrible match up for us. Look at what UConn, WVU and Fresno did against UC with their run games. Those teams aren't that good, in the big picture of college football. Ingram would eat this run defense alive. I wouldn't be suprised to see him put up 300 yards against our putrid run defense.

We can't stop the run, and going up against a team with a Heisman contending tailback does NOT put us into a good position. After the loss at the Orange Bowl, if we go into another BCS bowl game and get our asses whipped, it's only going to further the argument that we didn't belong there in the first place.

You could argue similarly against any team we would theoretically go up against. I, for one, don't want any part of Tebow in a big game, or Kellen Moore and his whopping three interceptions all year, or Georgia Tech's triple option against our vulnerable defense, or TCU's consistently stout defense. But hell, if I wanted to see us go up against a team I wasn't somewhat afraid of, I guess I should root for us to go back to Toronto or Birmingham. If we expect to compete on the big stage, we have to play teams we don't match up well against. High risk, I agree, if we should lose again - but incredibly high reward, especially if we take out an SEC team.

(11-22-2009 02:24 PM)CD11 Wrote:  You could argue similarly against any team we would theoretically go up against. I, for one, don't want any part of Tebow in a big game, or Kellen Moore and his whopping three interceptions all year, or Georgia Tech's triple option against our vulnerable defense, or TCU's consistently stout defense. But hell, if I wanted to see us go up against a team I wasn't somewhat afraid of, I guess I should root for us to go back to Toronto or Birmingham. If we expect to compete on the big stage, we have to play teams we don't match up well against. High risk, I agree, if we should lose again - but incredibly high reward, especially if we take out an SEC team.

Exactly. This is what we're here to do. Show the big boys we're here to stay and we are not afraid to play them.

(11-22-2009 02:16 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 02:05 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 12:26 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Agreed, I want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Alabama. If UCONN jammed it down our throats with a power running game what in the world do you thing a potential Heisman winning RB could do? Give me anyone else but Alabama.

I absolutely want Alabama. These are the kind of games we have to win to really establish ourselves as a top tier program.

And if we get destroyed, which we probably would in that game, all it does is cement the fact you don't belong.

I'm all for statement type games, but Alabama would be a horrible match up for us. Look at what UConn, WVU and Fresno did against UC with their run games. Those teams aren't that good, in the big picture of college football. Ingram would eat this run defense alive. I wouldn't be suprised to see him put up 300 yards against our putrid run defense.

We can't stop the run, and going up against a team with a Heisman contending tailback does NOT put us into a good position. After the loss at the Orange Bowl, if we go into another BCS bowl game and get our asses whipped, it's only going to further the argument that we didn't belong there in the first place.

But if we're all arguing that UC deserves a shot at the NC then we need to play an Alabama. If UC wants to claim being the best then you play all comers. But to belong you have to play the big boys.

Taken from Dizzygirl's signature:

Quote:"I'll play anybody anywhere anyplace. My philosophy has always been that we need to play Ohio State. If they don't want to play here, I'll play them in a parking lot in Xenia." - Brian Kelly

I couldn't agree more with Beercat. The "K-State, getting all the wins you can" mentality only goes so far.

(11-22-2009 02:21 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  And we beat UConn, WVU, and Fresno. Yes our run defense is weak, but our offense is great. I want a shot at one of the big boys.

And none of those teams have a defense that is even in the same universe as Alabama. We aren't going to put up 30+ points on them.

I want a game we can win. Honestly, I'd rather play Florida than Alabama.

(11-22-2009 02:24 PM)CD11 Wrote:  You could argue similarly against any team we would theoretically go up against. I, for one, don't want any part of Tebow in a big game, or Kellen Moore and his whopping three interceptions all year, or Georgia Tech's triple option against our vulnerable defense, or TCU's consistently stout defense. But hell, if I wanted to see us go up against a team I wasn't somewhat afraid of, I guess I should root for us to go back to Toronto or Birmingham. If we expect to compete on the big stage, we have to play teams we don't match up well against. High risk, I agree, if we should lose again - but incredibly high reward, especially if we take out an SEC team.

I agree, I should have used better phrasing than wanting "absolutely nothing" to do with Alabama. What I meant was that I think we match up significantly worse against them than any other BCS participant. I would still welcome the opportunity though.

Has Alabama played a team with a great passing attack this season? Looking at their schedule, I think South Carolina might be the best passing team on there, or maybe Tennessee, Mississippi or Virginia Tech? Not exactly teams whose offenses I would put anywhere on UC's level.

If we were to get Destroyed by Alabama, then we are a fraud.

(11-22-2009 02:24 PM)CD11 Wrote:  You could argue similarly against any team we would theoretically go up against. I, for one, don't want any part of Tebow in a big game, or Kellen Moore and his whopping three interceptions all year, or Georgia Tech's triple option against our vulnerable defense, or TCU's consistently stout defense. But hell, if I wanted to see us go up against a team I wasn't somewhat afraid of, I guess I should root for us to go back to Toronto or Birmingham. If we expect to compete on the big stage, we have to play teams we don't match up well against. High risk, I agree, if we should lose again - but incredibly high reward, especially if we take out an SEC team.

I'm with you, CD. Even though Coombs' expertise with the triple option might be able to assist us in a match up with Georgia Tech, I would much prefer to play almost anyone else. I just don't think we could stop their attack. And, we get no credit nationally if we beat them and are labeled as "frauds" if we lose.

i dont agree that losing in bowl game to alabama or florida or whoever would make uc a fraud.

(11-22-2009 06:12 PM)50Cent Wrote:  i dont agree that losing in bowl game to alabama or florida or whoever would make uc a fraud.

Depends on if it's a close game or not. We looked like crap in the Orange Bowl, so IMO there is extra pressure to perform this time.

If we get plastered by who ever we play, there will be lots of comments about how UC is from an "easy" conference and when they play good teams we get our heads caved in.

I guess it would the the attitude that some have that we would have no chance against the Alabama running game. We did fairly well against Oregon State. We haven't lost a game yet. We've had some bad run D for a few quarters in some games. I just don't see how this gives us no shot against a team such as Alabama. I'd be the first to say that we're all entitled to our own opinion, but if were really that confident and correct about them, we'd all be millionaires off our winnings at the sportsbook. Since we're not, I guess we'd just have to have the game played and see what happens.

(11-22-2009 06:17 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2009 06:12 PM)50Cent Wrote:  i dont agree that losing in bowl game to alabama or florida or whoever would make uc a fraud.

Depends on if it's a close game or not. We looked like crap in the Orange Bowl, so IMO there is extra pressure to perform this time.

If we get plastered by who ever we play, there will be lots of comments about how UC is from an "easy" conference and when they play good teams we get our heads caved in.

.....and we'll still get criticized for being in an allegedly "easy" conference when we win, too. Virginia Tech lost, what, three straight times in the OB - including one to "lowly" Kansas - yet their stupid perception held up fine. The media sets a narrative regardless of whether the facts back it up or not - any pundit still claiming the Big XII is a tough conference is Exhibit A to this - so who cares what the perception is? Would you rather we not play in the National Championship Game because there's a chance we might get beat?