(10-26-2009 10:29 AM)Stephen Shirley Wrote:  I didn't take your post as a slam.

Most die hard Middle fans were extremely frustrated in the "low" turnout. There has been a lot of discussion that what is "low" now would have been a great crowd just four or five years ago. But we expect more now, as we should. And the crowd Saturday was disappointing.

Lots of excuses-- The bad weather only broke about 30 minutes prior to kickoff. The team was coming off back-to-back ugly showings on national TV. UT/Bama on TV at same time. And on and on.

But I was there and enjoyed every minute of the game. I even stuck around for the post-game performance by the Western band. MT dominated that category as well. :)

I was surprised at the modest turnout as well. I drove up from Atlanta and thought there would be major issues getting tickets or moving around the campus but there were not. Was disappointed at the WKU turnout, I was expecting a few more to travel to the game. It was a decent atmosphere for a game if WKU would ever care to show up.

(10-26-2009 02:19 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  What's happened to LaTech? i thought this was supposed to be a promising season for them. Looks like they'll end up at least 6-6, considering they still have Boise State and LSU left on the schedule.

with our schedule this year I thought 7-5 and 6=6 at worst. But the Utah St game threw me. 7-5 still possible but that would mean beating Boise now and I don't see that happening but it is at home so who knows. we are a different team at home. And ULMers don't worry about our attendance for our next home game. It is against a ranked team at home. We should do ok there. Idaho is not looking like a gimme anymore either. I think the WAC has improved and Tech has just stayed the same. I thought Tech had 5 guaranteed losses to begin with so that didnt leave any room for a slip up like Utah State

Tech should stop holding on to this false sense of superiority, they just aren't that good. also, their Conference affiliation is ridiculous. I know you don't want to have to come crawling back to the Belt with your tail between your legs (even though that would be the smart move), but come on! Are you really going to continue draining your athletic budget inorder to stay in a geographically poor conference?

i want to make it clear i am NOT advocating Tech return to the Belt, honestly we don't need them. They would not win the Conference, thus would not bring anything to it except a hungry mouth to feed. But, Tech definitly needs a new Conference to call home.

but man we get just as much money from the bowl offset and tv contracts. It all equals out. Plus our attendance is going up and facilities are improving. There is no need to move anywhere unless the Wac falls apart. Which could very well happen. And I know this would get some people upset but I think Tech would have one loss if we were playing in the Belt. The Sunbelt is really turning out to be a weak conference this year. ULL had a much better team last year and are doing better record wise this year. Troy is the only real strong team in the Belt this year. I don't think Tech is superior, but really even with our record they would wipe up the Belt this year, with the exception of Troy and even that game I would consider a toss up. ULM looked tough but who knows now with their QB out. and the MUTS and Ark St. just didnt pan out either. North Texas with out Dodge is just well the old North Texas.This really is turning out to be a weak year for the Belt and its odd because it started out looking kind of promising. The Florida schools and Western Ky. have a combined 2 wins. I don't understand how some of the supposed stronger Belt programs can't easily get to 7 wins. You almost have four guarantees on there.Tech would surely have gotten to 7 or 8 wins in the Belt so by that account going to a bowl might bolster your point but that is it. Utah State and Idaho this year would be in the top half of the Belt and maybe even vying for the championship. But you know what the MAC is amazingly bad this year.

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

Personally, I hope LaTech stays in the WAC until it crumbles. Maybe that will humble them and they would lose some of their superiority and their setting themselves up on their pedestal would come to a halt.

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

Regardless of this year's turnout, I think that once the Toppers start winning FBS games, the WKU-MT game will be one of the SBC's better rivalries.

One thing that hurt us was that it was so cold up until 1pm or so. I could see my breath, and had about 4 layers of clothing.

Our fairweather 105,000 Murfreesboro folks don't like to get their little hands and face cold.

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

We would most definitely bring that many to Bowling Green. We easily brought that many last year on a miserable Saturday Buddy.

(10-26-2009 01:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

We would most definitely bring that many to Bowling Green. We easily brought that many last year on a miserable Saturday Buddy.

I don't know man. I mean it's possible because last year we were 3-6 when we went up there, so it's not like we were having a great season, but we also had revenge on our minds knowing we were the better team the year before and fully expected to win that game.

However, if the situations were truly reversed, I still maintain we wouldn't bring 1,000 to Bowling Green. Coming into our game Western had lost 14 consecutive games and 20 consecutive games against FBS teams. In that span of 20 games, only 3 have been decided by less than a TD(two of which were in 2007). In that 14 straight game losing streak, one game was decided by less than a touchdown and only one additional game was decided by less than 10 points. During that 14 game consecutive losing streak they are losing by an average of 19 points.

We've had some rough times since moving up to FBS, but our longest losing streak in that time is 7 straight games(the last three games of 06 and the first four of 07)so we've never even been close to the situation they're in. So I maintain, that if the roles were reversed, we wouldn't bring 1,000 fans.

At the same time, we get ripped by WKU fans for not showing up in BG for men's hoops games (we normally take at least 150 or so). We haven't won in BG in the regular season since Moses parted the Red Sea.

(10-26-2009 01:38 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  At the same time, we get ripped by WKU fans for not showing up in BG for men's hoops games (we normally take at least 150 or so). We haven't won in BG in the regular season since Moses parted the Red Sea.

I started to make that comparison, but all things being relative, 150 for basketball is a much larger % of the total attendance than the 500 or so they brought down here for football in 07 or the 150 or so they brought down this weekend.

Though once again, I'd say on any given year in MBB we have a puncher's chance against WKU, they didn't have a snowball's chance on Saturday...

I really don't blame them for their paltry attendance, by the end of the season they'll be lucky to be getting 5,000 for home games.

Ugh...

(10-26-2009 01:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 01:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

We would most definitely bring that many to Bowling Green. We easily brought that many last year on a miserable Saturday Buddy.

I don't know man. I mean it's possible because last year we were 3-6 when we went up there, so it's not like we were having a great season, but we also had revenge on our minds knowing we were the better team the year before and fully expected to win that game.

However, if the situations were truly reversed, I still maintain we wouldn't bring 1,000 to Bowling Green. Coming into our game Western had lost 14 consecutive games and 20 consecutive games against FBS teams. In that span of 20 games, only 3 have been decided by less than a TD(two of which were in 2007). In that 14 straight game losing streak, one game was decided by less than a touchdown and only one additional game was decided by less than 10 points. During that 14 game consecutive losing streak they are losing by an average of 19 points.

We've had some rough times since moving up to FBS, but our longest losing streak in that time is 7 straight games(the last three games of 06 and the first four of 07)so we've never even been close to the situation they're in. So I maintain, that if the roles were reversed, we wouldn't bring 1,000 fans.

Agree to disagree.

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

I'd estimate the Western crowd at about 250-300. They showed up pretty well in their two sections. Didn't make much noise, but they were there.

Middle doesn't have room to complain about poor Western attendance when our own fanbase didn't show up. If we have 25,000 plus 250 Western fans, then there's room to mock away. But the stadium was as empty as I've seen it in years. So if so many of our fans didn't come to a home game when our situation was FAR better than Western's, then I don't know that we'd take many more if the tables were turned.

(10-26-2009 03:02 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 01:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 01:13 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 09:57 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  Also, WKU literally brought less than 10 fans. You would think that playing your rival a little over an hour away, regardless of their record, they would have better support. MT would have brought well over a thousand to their place if the situation was reversed.

Get real buddy, I'm not sure where you were sitting, if it were in or near the student section I'd see why you'd think that WKU brought less than 10 fans, because the only section of their fans you could see would be the one next to the band in the endzone. They had the two sections on the other side of the band each about 1/3 full or so. I'd say they brought 150 fans or so. Pathetic, but to say they brought less than 10 is just dumb.

Furthermore, if we were winless, I seriously doubt we'd bring well over 1,000 to their place.

We would most definitely bring that many to Bowling Green. We easily brought that many last year on a miserable Saturday Buddy.

I don't know man. I mean it's possible because last year we were 3-6 when we went up there, so it's not like we were having a great season, but we also had revenge on our minds knowing we were the better team the year before and fully expected to win that game.

However, if the situations were truly reversed, I still maintain we wouldn't bring 1,000 to Bowling Green. Coming into our game Western had lost 14 consecutive games and 20 consecutive games against FBS teams. In that span of 20 games, only 3 have been decided by less than a TD(two of which were in 2007). In that 14 straight game losing streak, one game was decided by less than a touchdown and only one additional game was decided by less than 10 points. During that 14 game consecutive losing streak they are losing by an average of 19 points.

We've had some rough times since moving up to FBS, but our longest losing streak in that time is 7 straight games(the last three games of 06 and the first four of 07)so we've never even been close to the situation they're in. So I maintain, that if the roles were reversed, we wouldn't bring 1,000 fans.

Agree to disagree.

I guess you're just more optimistic than I am. If we'd lost 14 straight games by an average of 19 points, I'd still make the trip to BG and I assume you would. I know a few dozen or so off the top of my head that would, but I don't know where the other 950 or so would come from.

The good news, we made the transition from FCS to FBS without anywhere near the hard times that Western finds themselves in. We've been playing FBS football for eight and a half years and our longest losing streak in that time is half as long as WKU's current streak that started in week 5 of their second transition season. Furthermore, I have no reason to believe we'll go even go on a losing streak as long as that one from 06-07 any time soon and Western has shown no signs of breaking their winning streak any time soon. If they don't get the win this weekend, I don't know when they will.

it is in meltdown mode here right now and out of the 150-250 fans that supposedly came i'm sure a large part were players families. many of our fans are saying they won't come the rest of the year as long as eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson is still in charge.

now those are folks that won't come to home games....no way they travel to middle to see a game they know we're gonna lose....that is on tv here in bg.

we will lose to unt this saturday. there will probably be quite a few folks in town for the homecoming game but most of them will stay under the tents and never enter the stadium. they do this even on good years.

there will be nobody at the asu game. except me and a few other hardcore fans. i didn't miss games even during killprogram's last year and i'll not miss games this year just because we are the worst team in 1a.

(10-26-2009 11:39 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  And I know this would get some people upset but I think Tech would have one loss if we were playing in the Belt. The Sunbelt is really turning out to be a weak conference this year. ULL had a much better team last year and are doing better record wise this year. Troy is the only real strong team in the Belt this year. I don't think Tech is superior, but really even with our record they would wipe up the Belt this year, with the exception of Troy and even that game I would consider a toss up. ULM looked tough but who knows now with their QB out. and the MUTS and Ark St. just didnt pan out either.

The consensus computer ratings aren't so sure that La Tech would be any better than Arkansas State, MTSU, or ULM.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

56 Troy
74 ULM
81 Middle Tenn St
92 Arkansas St
94 Louisiana Tech

(10-26-2009 08:05 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2009 11:39 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  And I know this would get some people upset but I think Tech would have one loss if we were playing in the Belt. The Sunbelt is really turning out to be a weak conference this year. ULL had a much better team last year and are doing better record wise this year. Troy is the only real strong team in the Belt this year. I don't think Tech is superior, but really even with our record they would wipe up the Belt this year, with the exception of Troy and even that game I would consider a toss up. ULM looked tough but who knows now with their QB out. and the MUTS and Ark St. just didnt pan out either.

The consensus computer ratings aren't so sure that La Tech would be any better than Arkansas State, MTSU, or ULM. ULM is going to hurt now that their Qb is out. Ark. St and Muts are not playing good football right now. Other than a slip up letdown against a pretty good Utah State team, Tech has lost to some pretty freaking strong teams.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

56 Troy
74 ULM
81 Middle Tenn St
92 Arkansas St
94 Louisiana Tech

yes but you accrueing some wins within your own conference which admittedly is playing very weak football right now. And the MUTS are getting their big wins in the beginning of the year. I don't think any of those teams listed with the exception of Troy would beat anyone in the WAC this year with the exception of N. Mx St and Hawaii. Utah St Idaho and Tech are better than whats on paper and alot of Belt teams are not as good as on paper. other than a letdown against a pretty strong Utah St team, Tech has lost to some pretty freaking strong teams that I suspect all Belt teams including Troy would have had the same fate. Utah St and Idaho are finally playing up and proving that there are no more gimme teams left in the WAC. There are still alot of gimme wins in the Belt.

(10-27-2009 09:45 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  yes but you accrueing some wins within your own conference which admittedly is playing very weak football right now. And the MUTS are getting their big wins in the beginning of the year. I don't think any of those teams listed with the exception of Troy would beat anyone in the WAC this year with the exception of N. Mx St and Hawaii. Utah St Idaho and Tech are better than whats on paper and alot of Belt teams are not as good as on paper. other than a letdown against a pretty strong Utah St team, Tech has lost to some pretty freaking strong teams that I suspect all Belt teams including Troy would have had the same fate. Utah St and Idaho are finally playing up and proving that there are no more gimme teams left in the WAC. There are still alot of gimme wins in the Belt.

La Tech would be, at best, a middle of the pack Sun Belt team this year. There's nothing on your schedule you can point to to prove otherwise. You've beaten nobodies, the nobodies you've beaten have beaten even bigger nobodies(like winless New Mexico) and in your one common opponent game with the Sun Belt you were outperformed by WKU....ouch.