(09-27-2009 09:51 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  well, not sure what planet you live on, but you should stick with basketball

programs with tradition and history are more easily revived than say a Louisville...good coaches know how to utilize this as a recruiting tool, and this is also reinforced by the media..."Is Notre Dame back? Is Miami back? Is Nebraska back?" why do you think people freak out when Miami goes 2-0??

South Florida gets kudos for beating FSU, but how many recruits will that garner if they lose the rest of their games? USF needs to win the Big East, period, and if they want to truly achieve the same status as FSU, Miami, and Florida, they need to punish and annihilate opponents, and compete for the National Championship

Patting yourselves on the back for beating a downtrodden FSU team that Jacksonville State nearly beat a few weeks ago is a joke people...nothing more than a baby step for USF

Here is the conference scores for 1993 Florida State:
FSU 45 Duke 7
FSU 57 Clemson 0
FSU 33 North Carolina 7
FSU 51 Georgia Tech 0
FSU 40 Virginia 14
FSU 54 Wake Forest 0
FSU 49 Maryland 20
FSU 62 NC State 3

FSU results

FSU made the ACC their *****, and you'll find similar stats for Florida and Miami in their respective conferences

Here's the conference scores for 2000 Miami:
Miami 47 West Virginia 10
Miami 64 Rutgers 6
Miami 45 Temple 17
Miami 41 Virginia Tech 21
Miami 35 Pitt 7
Miami 26 Syracuse 0
Miami 52 Boston College 6

Miami results

So if you wanna be one of the big teams in Florida, you need to get recognized nationally, and you need to pound the Big East into dust, and make a run at the National Title this year, because thats what these schools play for every freaking year

So, where does USF go from here? Do they get their gold star, and then fade in Big East play and end up beating Bowling Green in the Pizza Bowl? Or does this truly turn USF into something else entirely, and the Bulls thrash Syracuse next week, beat the snot out of Cincinnati, dominate the Big East and head to the top 5 nationally?? I guess we'll see...in the meantime, here's your gold star South Florida

Stick to basketball? Do you know the difference? UCONN is still one of the top 5 programs in basketball as of today while FSU is nowhere close to the days back in 1990s.

FSU dominated the ACC. Congrats on dominating a very bad conference. Most kids care about what's going on now, not in 1990. USF just showed all the FLA kids they are now better than FSU on the field. If you don't think that matters, then you are just a delusional blind.

Couple more tidbits you might want to chew on. In today's environment, there are more D1A schools in FLA than ever. Gone are the days where Canes and FSU can cherry pick all the top talent in the state. Many other BCS programs are also recruiting Fla heavily. Rise of FL also is not helping. It won't be so easy to rise to the top again in Fla. USF is for real and here to stay. You can go crow all you want about FSU of 90s, but FSU of 2000s pale in comparison anywhere you look at. Recruits will notice that too and guess what? They gonna go to winning programs.

Back to the original subject of the thread (Big Four in FLA), believe the Orlando paper today had an article stating that it was still the Big 3...except that FSU wasn't in it. (Obviously REPLACED by USF).

(09-27-2009 06:34 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Back to the original subject of the thread (Big Four in FLA), believe the Orlando paper today had an article stating that it was still the Big 3...except that FSU wasn't in it. (Obviously REPLACED by USF).

Yes, I read that article, as well as many others basically saying that USF is now included. It makes alot of sense, especially since it was the media that actually coined the phrase "The Big 3" of Florida. But what does the media know? We have an all knowing FSU fan telling us something completely different.

Way to go Bulls! Reality is there are better teams than what the pundits want to believe or care to believe. Anyway, here is a great vid of the student section going berserk after the first TD. If you listen before the TD you can hear the crowd trying to intimidate USF with that idiotic indian chant.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpbgMptQVJA

Evil Vodka = Douche

(09-27-2009 10:17 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 09:51 AM)EvilVodka1 Wrote:  Patting yourselves on the back for beating a downtrodden FSU team that Jacksonville State nearly beat a few weeks ago is a joke people...nothing more than a baby step for USF.

er, FSU fans weren't calling themselves 'downtrodden' after beating #7 BYU by almost 30 last week. USF just made you look that way.

That said, you are correct in that while this win will always live in the hearts of Bulls fans, from a national perspective our moment in the sun won't last long if we pull our customary October/November swoon and end up at 8-4 or somesuch.

We have a long way to go before we truly join the likes of UF and FSU in the consciousness of the nation.

Actually, each year it gets easier to call FSU downtrodden...nearly losing to Jax State, the offense consistently sputtering since Chris Rix, even after bringing in Jimbo Fisher and Rick Trikket...the FSU secondary looks the worst I've ever seen it

And the 2nd part of your post is one of my points...where do the Bulls go now? If you wanna be on the level of the Big 3, go pound Syracuse next week, 50-0...you caught the nation's attention with the FSU win, now you gotta keep it

Syracuse is improved. A supposed top ten Penn St. could not defeat them 50-0 at home, so USF won't be able to on the road. Cuse will be tough, I expect a hard fought 10-14 pt win or so.

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(09-27-2009 11:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  Trust me, nobody here in Ohio thinks Cincy is knocking on O-State's door. Maybe around Cincy they do, but the bulk of the state does not agree. I'm not trying to take anything away from Cincy, but they are a Fresno level program, as seen by their close game at home.

As for South Florida, I was made a believer.

uh...well "in Cincy" is "in Ohio"....which is too bad. But I digress....yes, there are those of us who think we are knocking on Ostate's door...so speak for yourself douchebag.

and I don't understand your reasoning...USF, who has never won anything beats FSU and you are a "believer" (in what????) and UC, who went to a BCS game last year, won the BE, etc. is a "Fresno Level Program"???? You're a d-head...shove it up your arse...

(09-27-2009 09:00 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  uh...well "in Cincy" is "in Ohio"....which is too bad. But I digress....yes, there are those of us who think we are knocking on Ostate's door...so speak for yourself douchebag.

and I don't understand your reasoning...USF, who has never won anything beats FSU and you are a "believer" (in what????) and UC, who went to a BCS game last year, won the BE, etc. is a "Fresno Level Program"???? You're a d-head...shove it up your arse...

You BARELY beat Fresno, which has a way better all-time record and a higher capacity stadium.

As for South Florida. They beat FSU, at FSU. They beat Auburn, at Auburn. They destroyed us. What else could I do? Hate on them? Talk to me when you beat somebody, otherwise shut up. Finish in the top ten, then talk to me.

Oh, I was thinking of when Louisville annihilated us that one year. SFLA still beat us pretty good, though.

(09-27-2009 10:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-27-2009 09:00 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  uh...well "in Cincy" is "in Ohio"....which is too bad. But I digress....yes, there are those of us who think we are knocking on Ostate's door...so speak for yourself douchebag.

and I don't understand your reasoning...USF, who has never won anything beats FSU and you are a "believer" (in what????) and UC, who went to a BCS game last year, won the BE, etc. is a "Fresno Level Program"???? You're a d-head...shove it up your arse...

You BARELY beat Fresno, which has a way better all-time record and a higher capacity stadium. So shove that up your ass until it comes out your mouth and you can read the writing on the wall! You want to name call like a kid?

As for South Florida. They beat FSU, at FSU. They beat Auburn, at Auburn. They railed us like a drunken slut on a frat balcony. What else could I do? Hate on them? Talk to me when you beat somebody, otherwise shut up. Finish in the top ten, then talk to me. And don't fuckin' call me names!!!

What the language my man, Cincinnati has been pretty solid and I for one would love to see a Ohio State-Cincinnati game. I don't think UC would make some mistakes that Navy made and I would think UC would take advantage of some of the things Ohio State was giving up.

Sorry, I got mad. I'll edit it.

USF has done some incredible things in a very short time. What FSU and UM have that USF doesnt is history. You can't achieve what UM and FSU have done in a short time. UM has something like 5 national titles, Fsu has 2, USF has none. USF has made it into the top 5, a total of one time, which they should be proud of. FSU finished in the top 4 for something like 10 years straight, and UM has finished there tons of times. USF has never won a conf championship, while UM and FSU both dominated their conf for years. USF is an up n coming program, can they maintain that and continue to get better?? Time will tell. Enjoy where you are, continue to work toward the place you want to be, and hope for the best. You may be there in 15 to 20 years, then again you may not. Time and only time will tell.

(09-27-2009 11:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  Sorry, I got mad. I'll edit it.

So...we barely beat Fresno, thus making us a "Fresno level program"??? Wisconson beat them in 2OT at home two weeks ago...is Wisonson a "Fresno Level Program" too? When a BCS school loses to an FCS school, is all of a sudden that BCS school an "FCS level program"?? If so your ACC sucks worse than I thought because I think 3 of your vaunted teams have indeed lost to FCS schools this year....Your logic is efing retarded....

Cincy is not a "Fresno level Program".......we are a BCS level program, have been in the Top 25 the past few years and went to a BCS bowl last year...on top of this, USF has done NONE of this and you are a "believer"....ok. You roll with that douche.

This conversation has nothing to do with the ACC or Cincy, but fine. Like I said, Fresno has a way better all-time record and larger stadium capacity. That is usually what you look at when a program is measured. Now, do they have a better team? No, that was proved the other day. Maybe the problem here is Fresno isn't BCS when they should be?

USF just started what could be a huge rivalry, if the teams continue to play. If Cincy beat Ohio State by ten, I wouldn't deny them. My experience in Ohio leads me to believe that most Ohioans don't think too much about Cincinnati. I understand you're all upset because you want respect and stuff, but I just call it like I see it son.

Bearcats #1, time to simmer down. Knock off the attacks.

(09-28-2009 06:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF has done some incredible things in a very short time. What FSU and UM have that USF doesnt is history. You can't achieve what UM and FSU have done in a short time. UM has something like 5 national titles, Fsu has 2, USF has none. USF has made it into the top 5, a total of one time, which they should be proud of. FSU finished in the top 4 for something like 10 years straight, and UM has finished there tons of times. USF has never won a conf championship, while UM and FSU both dominated their conf for years. USF is an up n coming program, can they maintain that and continue to get better?? Time will tell. Enjoy where you are, continue to work toward the place you want to be, and hope for the best. You may be there in 15 to 20 years, then again you may not. Time and only time will tell.

Here is the reality UF,FSU and UM were considered the Big Three in our state even before their NC s and their top rankings. That made them national powers. USF beating FSU is a START but is HUGE in our state because it signals that USF is in a BCS conference just like those three and NOW we can say we have beaten one of those three. NONE of the other division 1A programs in our state can claim either. So yes we are now part of the Big Four in our state in what we can offer recruits

(09-28-2009 07:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  This conversation has nothing to do with the ACC or Cincy, but fine. Like I said, Fresno has a way better all-time record and larger stadium capacity. That is usually what you look at when a program is measured.

That is what the media tells you to look at when measuring a program. But that presupposes that you're stupid enough to believe them, because using such absolutes in measuring the indeterminate factors of humanity that dictate college football's heirarchy will always lead you into error...

Why else do you think so many upsets occur every year these days? The measuring stick used was chosen by morons...

There is a big 1 in Florida. And then there are the next 3.

(09-28-2009 07:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  This conversation has nothing to do with the ACC or Cincy, but fine. Like I said, Fresno has a way better all-time record and larger stadium capacity. That is usually what you look at when a program is measured. Now, do they have a better team? No, that was proved the other day. Maybe the problem here is Fresno isn't BCS when they should be?

USF just started what could be a huge rivalry, if the teams continue to play. If Cincy beat Ohio State by ten, I wouldn't deny them. My experience in Ohio leads me to believe that most Ohioans don't think too much about Cincinnati. I understand you're all upset because you want respect and stuff, but I just call it like I see it son.

I will agree with you that Fresno State should be BCS......yes.
I will also agree that outside of Cincy, most Ohioans aren't familiar with UC football...we are traditionally a bball school and are known as such nationally (although since Huggs left, it's been tough going).

Beating ONE school doesn't make the program all of a sudden "better" as a whole. USF is a program on the rise. They have not won the BE, been to a BCS game, etc. so not sure what you are a "believer" in there. Cincy has done both of those things. Are we Johnny Come Lately to college football...yes. We have done a lot in the past two years and continue that trend this year. We are a program on the rise. O$U knows this and pulled out of the game at PBS. In fact, they wanted out period but BK took the 1million dollar backout and then made them stick to the contract in that we could force the game in Columbus. The fact is, there are two bcs schools in ohio, there are two ranked teams in ohio...there are two programs that have gone to bcs bowl games in ohio. The peopel of ohio should be able to see a separation between uc, and bgsu, akron, miami, toledo, ohio, etc. Are we on OSU level? no. But, as Cat's Claw said, we have made it a "two horse race". If you can't see that, then you don't want to.
Fresno has done NONE of this. We are above Fresno. If we have to agree to disagree, so be it.

(09-28-2009 09:11 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  There is a big 1 in Florida. And then there are the next 3.

Guess right now you can say that nationally also because UF is certaintly separated itself not onlly from FSU,USF and UM but from most of the nation.

But with that said, our state has PLENTY of talent and for USF to have moved into the Big Four is HUGE.

by the way hope you enjoyed rooting for the noles.