Found this on Lance M's blog - look at # 5

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingne...riend#pg14

Let's hope some large donors get involved at this point. That's all we can do. But be prepared if this doesn't happen in time.

(09-23-2009 09:46 AM)dizzygirl Wrote:  Let's hope some large donors get involved at this point. That's all we can do. But be prepared if this doesn't happen in time.

This always kills me and I'm sure will be frowned upon, but the whole "Hey Big Donors, time to pay up" which will be followed by "Hey Big Donors, you don't deserve the good seats you have in Shoemaker" during basketball.

When we sell out the rest of the season, win the big east, go to a BCS bowl, and finish in the top ten the money will be there. The bball team's effort this season will also help the budget.

(09-23-2009 09:53 AM)JunctaJuvant Wrote:  

(09-23-2009 09:46 AM)dizzygirl Wrote:  Let's hope some large donors get involved at this point. That's all we can do. But be prepared if this doesn't happen in time.

This always kills me and I'm sure will be frowned upon, but the whole "Hey Big Donors, time to pay up" which will be followed by "Hey Big Donors, you don't deserve the good seats you have in Shoemaker" during basketball.

Does anyone say that the big donors don't deserve great seats?

With our success - people will be more likely to get involved. That is all I'm saying. I don't think anyone is saying 'time to pay up' either. I think people are saying 'please, pretty please, with sugar on top.' No one is obligated but I hope someone thinks 'Hey- UC football is onto something amazing this year - let's help them get there.'

Major college football is a business. Run it like one. Do you see businesses asking for donations? You go out and finance the projects and move forward. If you can't get money, consider a bond issue. They have a business department at that school. Be creative.

Wasn't that provision removed this past time around? I thought that BK talked about how he felt the school was doing the right steps and didn't need the provision in writing? If I am wrong please let me know I just thought it was removed the last time his contract was renewed last spring.

(09-23-2009 12:00 PM)Bearcats4ever Wrote:  Wasn't that provision removed this past time around? I thought that BK talked about how he felt the school was doing the right steps and didn't need the provision in writing? If I am wrong please let me know I just thought it was removed the last time his contract was renewed last spring.

According to this:http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=374686

The deadline has been removed but they are moving forward with the project.

More on Kelly's new contract

June 23, 2009 10:40 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Brian Bennett

Cincinnati announced on Monday that coach Brian Kelly had agreed to a one-year contract extension and would be guaranteed $1.475 million in salary until 2013.


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Cincinnati has given football coach Brian Kelly a contract extension.

"We've come a long way since December of 2006 when Brian was hired," athletic director Mike Thomas said in announcing the deal. "We know what Brian has done. With the profile of his work for him and his team and the success we've had, we certainly needed to reward coach Kelly for those things and making sure we have the resources needed to move forward.

"It's an extension of a year, but we really have taken his contract and pretty much started over."
One of the changes in the contract, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer, is the elimination of the clause that requires the school to build a new practice facility. The deadline has been removed, but the project is moving forward. Thomas told the Enquirer that about two-thirds of the $9 million goal has been achieved.
"We're going to have those facilities," Kelly said. "We've raised a great deal of money in a time where it's difficult to raise dollars because they all have to be private."
The contract also calls for raises for Kelly's assistant coaches and more money for operations such as video technology.

"You can't do it yourself," Kelly said. "It's not a one-man show. You've got to have continuity in your staff and in your support staff. This contract signifies our ability to maintain and keep quality people here at the University of Cincinnati that are associated with our football program. That was absolutely crucial."

Kelly will no doubt continue to be mentioned as a candidate for other high-profile job openings around the country. But he said he wants to stay at Cincinnati and keep improving.

"The next goal out there is to continue to build our program and be a championship contender," he said. "That's what this agreement really does for our program. It puts us in a position to compete nationally.

"The pieces are now in place. It's still a journey. Remember now, we're only in this for 30 months so far. You do not build a national championship football program in 30 months. What you do is you stay committed to a program because the pieces are now coming together. That's the most exciting thing for me."

Hey Ump...Do you see businesses asking for money?..where have you been the last 12 months....AIG, Banks, GM, Chrysler...on and on...and who do you think built most of thos professional stadiums...certainly wasn't the pro teams....

The businesses you list had bad management that made poor decisions. The only reason they get handouts is because of their size and the economic effect if they fail. UC can be like those businesses and make excuses or can move forward. Get the finance and marketing departments involved. At this stage of the game marketing should be HUGE. Instead we are discounting tickets. UC is sitting at 14. Do you think you can buy a ticket for $20 at any of the schools who sit at 1-13? Kelly had built the product. He has done his side of the deal. Come on sell the product. Every UC jersey, hat, sweatshirt etc that is sold is a walking billboard for the program. So why aren't they in stores outside of the Cincinnati area? Licensing of products translates into revenue (dollars - the exact thing we need). What is the average price for a ticket for a game at the teams ranked 1 - 13?

(09-23-2009 12:00 PM)Bearcats4ever Wrote:  Wasn't that provision removed this past time around? I thought that BK talked about how he felt the school was doing the right steps and didn't need the provision in writing? If I am wrong please let me know I just thought it was removed the last time his contract was renewed last spring.

If I remember the rivals interview a couple weeks ago correctly, the university isn't contractually obligated to build it but if it isnt built, his buyout is next to nothing.

(09-23-2009 12:31 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  The businesses you list had bad management that made poor decisions. The only reason they get handouts is because of their size and the economic effect if they fail. UC can be like those businesses and make excuses or can move forward. Get the finance and marketing departments involved. At this stage of the game marketing should be HUGE. Instead we are discounting tickets. UC is sitting at 14. Do you think you can buy a ticket for $20 at any of the schools who sit at 1-13? Kelly had built the product. He has done his side of the deal. Come on sell the product. Every UC jersey, hat, sweatshirt etc that is sold is a walking billboard for the program. So why aren't they in stores outside of the Cincinnati area? Licensing of products translates into revenue (dollars - the exact thing we need). What is the average price for a ticket for a game at the teams ranked 1 - 13?

UC had a major hike in ticket prices this year. There aren't many selling for $20; most go for much more than that.

If this athletic dept has a deficiency, it isn't selling tickets too cheap (ask the bb fans who let go of their tickets after several decades), it's their inability to get money from big donors. Every successful big time program has wealthy fat cats who step up to the plate when needed. The lack thereof here may be due to the exodus of big donors when Huggins was fired. Whatever the reasons for it, their absence at a school and city this large is quite stunning -- and potentially tragic for the fb program.

I'm quite sure I could buy a $20 ticket at Boise State...why isn't UC gear in stores outside the metro area?...I don't think there is a big market in Louisville, Lexington, Indianapoplis and Coulmbus for UC gear... and stores aren't going to put in UC gear that doesn't sell..now if we become like the Miami Hurricanes of the late 80's and 90's and win...then you would see the outside marketing increase

(09-23-2009 12:31 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  The businesses you list had bad management that made poor decisions. The only reason they get handouts is because of their size and the economic effect if they fail. UC can be like those businesses and make excuses or can move forward. Get the finance and marketing departments involved. At this stage of the game marketing should be HUGE. Instead we are discounting tickets. UC is sitting at 14. Do you think you can buy a ticket for $20 at any of the schools who sit at 1-13? Kelly had built the product. He has done his side of the deal. Come on sell the product. Every UC jersey, hat, sweatshirt etc that is sold is a walking billboard for the program. So why aren't they in stores outside of the Cincinnati area? Licensing of products translates into revenue (dollars - the exact thing we need). What is the average price for a ticket for a game at the teams ranked 1 - 13?

University athletic departments receive donations as a normal course of doing business. Other top 25 programs understand this and receive such funds. Nothing new in this area. I have seen UC gear in northern Ohio and even as close as Dayton.

Stick to the baseball threads, Ump. You are way out in right field on this one.

Obviously you have no plan B. Thats fine. When BK looks up and realizes UC can't fill the stands and he isn't getting what he wants, just watch what happens. That's exactly what this article is saying. The only solution I hear being proposed is find a rich donor that hasn't been affected by the economy.

That article is about a year late. Welcome to last year.

If BK leaves, we thank him for changing the culture of the program, the expectations, and national perception. The practice facilities will be there next year. Thats happening. Nothing can possibly be done in the next 6 months that will change any of the deficiencies in the stadium.

Enjoy the ride. Might just last longer than you expect.

(09-23-2009 04:25 PM)TheUmp Wrote:  Obviously you have no plan B. Thats fine. When BK looks up and realizes UC can't fill the stands and he isn't getting what he wants, just watch what happens. That's exactly what this article is saying. The only solution I hear being proposed is find a rich donor that hasn't been affected by the economy.

I love hearing all the economy excuses. Does not seem to be affecting other Universities. Other top 25 programs have no issue with donors. Then again those alumni/fan bases know it takes major dollars to fund a perennial top 25 program. At some point Ump it is not just the University's responsibility but the alumni/fan base. Everyone has a stake in the ultimate success of the program. This city's usual stance is give me something for nothing. The rest of the world does not work that way. Then again, only in Cincinnati. Be a part of the solution Ump and donate or get left in the cold complaining.

(09-23-2009 12:58 PM)zengardener Wrote:  UC had a major hike in ticket prices this year. There aren't many selling for $20; most go for much more than that.

Unless you buy 600 at a time. THEN they're 20 bucks. Yes. Thats a $18,000 discount. Those whacky dumb hillbillies don't know anything.

(09-25-2009 06:38 AM)UCDAA86 Wrote:  

(09-23-2009 12:58 PM)zengardener Wrote:  UC had a major hike in ticket prices this year. There aren't many selling for $20; most go for much more than that.

Unless you buy 600 at a time. THEN they're 20 bucks. Yes. Thats a $18,000 discount. Those whacky dumb hillbillies don't know anything.

i know one whacky dumb hillbilly who had better stay on the wvu board, as i suspect his next post here will be his last.