Big East
Season Teams Games Attendance….. P/G
1991....... 8 …… 47….. 1,788,611…..38,056
1992....... 8 …….48….. 1,847,269…..38,485
1993....... 8……. 47….. 1,787,843…..38,039
1994....... 8……. 46….. 1,902,096…..41,350
1995....... 8……. 44….. 1,679,043…..38,160
1996....... 8……. 47 …..1,825,870…..38,848
1997....... 8……. 46….. 1,657,056…..36,023
1998....... 8……. 48 …..1,914,957…..39,895
1999....... 8……. 46 …..1,837,478…..39,945
2000....... 8……. 49 …..2,030,230…..41,433
2001....... 8……. 49…...1,927,280…..39,332
2002....... 8……. 53…...2,315,608…..43, 691
2003....... 8……. 51….…2,390,358….46, 870
2004....... 7……. 41….…1,549,992….37, 805
2005....... 8……. 46….…1,812,406….39, 400
2006....... 8……. 52….…2,030,211….39, 043
2007....... 8……. 53…...2,197,190….41, 456
2008....... 8……. 52….…2,243,553….43, 145
I think we are catching up to the old league in term of fans interest and all of this doesn’t take into account that two of our members expanding their stadiums. This will keep the league average above 40k and hopefully a high 40k in a year or two which just about same time of our renewal of TV contract. I want us to catch up with the ACC. Even if none of our member doesn’t have any stadium that is over 70k seating capacity.

ACC
Season Teams Games Attendance….. P/G
1978........7…….39……1,475,410….. 37,831
1979........7…….40……1,620,776….. 40,519
1980........7…….41……1,590,495….. 38,793
1981........7…….40……1,589,152….. 39,729
1982........7…….41……1,706,451….. 41,621
1983........8…….49……2,087,800….. 42,608
1984........8…….46……1,998,274….. 43,441
1985........8…….48……2,029,574….. 42,283
1986........8…….45……1,848,949….. 41,088
1987........8…….47……1,970,198….. 41,919
1988........8…….47……1,911,949….. 40,680
1989........8…….49……2,010,317….. 41,027
1990........8…….47……1,988,781….. 42,314
1991........8…….51……2,257,413….. 44,263
1992........9…….53……2,332,674….. 44,013
1993........9…….54……2,379,045….. 44,056
1994........9…….51……2,248,700….. 44,092
1995........9…….51……2,329,868….. 45,684
1996........9…….50……2,203,849….. 44,077
1997........9…….52……2,333,784….. 44,880
1998........9…….51……2,330,879….. 45,704
1999........9…….51……2,298,711….. 45,073
2000........9…….54……2,653,816….. 49,145
2001........9…….56……2,784,520….. 49,724
2002........9…….58……2,957,611….. 50,993
2003........9…….58……3,012,392….. 51,938
2004........11…...66……3,678,508….. 55,735
2005........12…...72……3,761,402….. 52,242
2006........12…...85……4,499,567….. 52,936
2007........12…...77……4,141,590….. 53,787
2008........12…...83……4,377,168….. 52,737


MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?
Season Teams Games Attendance P/G
1999.......8…... 43…... 1,489,527…... 34,640
2000.......8…... 44…... 1,419,326…... 32,257
2001.......8…... 45…... 1,432,365…... 31,830
2002.......8…... 46…... 1,604,755…... 34,886
2003.......8…... 49…... 1,607,660…... 32,809
2004.......8…... 46…... 1,619,810…... 35,213
2005.......9…... 48…... 1,693,216…... 35,275
2006.......9…... 54…... 1,769,390…... 32,766
2007.......9…... 55…... 1,866,531…... 33,937
2008.......9…... 56…... 1,793,151…... 32,021

BIG 12
Season Teams Games Attendance …... P/G
1996.......12…... 69…... 3,549,474…... 51,442
1997.......12…... 71…... 3,640,692…... 51,277
1998.......12…... 71…... 3,661,740…... 51,574
1999.......12…... 72…... 3,904,491…... 54,229
2000.......12…... 74…... 3,995,338…... 53,991
2001.......12…... 76…... 4,215,088…... 55,462
2002.......12…... 79…... 4,358,818…... 55,175
2003.......12…... 81…... 4,565,288…... 56,362
2004.......12…... 72…... 4,126,492…... 57,312
2005.......12…... 72…... 4,204,574…... 58,397
2006.......12…... 83…... 4,894,337…... 58,968
2007.......12…... 80…... 4,875,289…... 60,941
2008.......12…... 84…... 5,288,296…... 62,956

BIG 10
Season Teams Games Attendance…… P/G
1978.......10…... 60…… 3,668,926…… 61,149
1979.......10…... 61…… 3,865,170…… 63,363
1980.......10…... 59…… 3,781,232…… 64,089
1981.......10…... 60…… 3,818,728…… 63,645
1982.......10…... 59…… 3,935,722…… 66,707
1983.......10…... 55…… 3,710,931…… 67,471
1984.......10…... 58…… 3,943,802…… 67,997
1985.......10…... 60…… 4,015,693…… 66,928
1986.......10…... 61…… 4,006,845…… 65,686
1987.......10…... 61…… 3,990,524…… 65,418
1988.......10…... 59…… 3,714,231…… 62,953
1989.......10…... 59…… 3,492,647…… 59,197
1990.......10…... 60…… 3,533,504…… 58,892
1991.......10…... 61…… 3,674,654…… 60,240
1992.......10…... 60…… 3,600,410…… 60,007
1993.......11…... 68…… 4,320,397…… 63,535
1994.......11…... 67…… 4,452,839…… 66,460
1995.......11…... 68…… 4,592,499…… 67,537
1996.......11…... 64…… 4,321,276…… 67,520
1997.......11…... 70…… 4,744,211…… 67,774
1998.......11…... 65…… 4,354,383…… 66,991
1999.......11…... 70…… 4,701,095…… 67,159
2000.......11…... 67…… 4,591,153…… 68,525
2001.......11…... 66…… 4,622,376…… 70,036
2002.......11…... 78…… 5,455,105…… 69,937
2003.......11…... 75…… 5,264,867…… 70,198
2004.......11…... 66…… 4,591,722…… 69,572
2005.......11…... 69…… 5,007,067…… 72,566
2006.......11…... 75…… 5,223,202…… 69,643
2007.......11…... 76…… 5,408,019…… 71,158
2008.......11…... 77…… 5,399,659…… 70,125

CONFERENCE USA
Season Teams Games Attendance……. P/G
1996........6……. 33……. 825,899……….25,027
1997........7……. 38……. 963,239……... .25,348
1998........8……. 44 …….1, 239,052…….28,160
1999........9……. 52……. 1,476,223……. 28,389
2000........9……. 49……. 1,388,331……. 28,333
2001.......10…….53……. 1,432,512……. 27,029
2002.......10…….61……. 1,627,131……. 26,674
2003.......11…….67……. 2,167,173……. 32,346
2004.......11…….58……. 1,644,833……. 28,359
2005.......12…….66……. 1,685,809……. 25,543
2006.......12…….72……. 1,918,457……. 26,645
2007.......12…….74……. 2,047,309……. 27,666
2008.......12…….71……. 1,925,391……. 27,118

Why isn't the SEC shown?

(08-25-2009 11:20 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?

Silly comment. Attendance has nothing to do with the quality of football. If it did then Michigan would win the national championship just about EVERY year.

(08-25-2009 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 11:20 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?

Silly comment. Attendance has nothing to do with the quality of football. If it did then Michigan would win the national championship just about EVERY year.

BCS is bowl centric where fans supports worth more than wins and loses. And that is the truth.

Our attendance should go up soon. We had 4 schools (Louisville, Rutgers, Cinci, and UConn) whose stadiums maxed out at 42K or less. With Rutgers and Louisville expanding their stadiums we should see better crowds. Pitt and USF are both drawing better each year as well.

(08-25-2009 05:18 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 11:20 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?

Silly comment. Attendance has nothing to do with the quality of football. If it did then Michigan would win the national championship just about EVERY year.

BCS is bowl centric where fans supports worth more than wins and loses. And that is the truth.

The BCS has already announced what factors will play into conferences getting automatic bids in the future. Attendance has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Fact.

(08-25-2009 10:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 05:18 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 11:20 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?

Silly comment. Attendance has nothing to do with the quality of football. If it did then Michigan would win the national championship just about EVERY year.

BCS is bowl centric where fans supports worth more than wins and loses. And that is the truth.

The BCS has already announced what factors will play into conferences getting automatic bids in the future. Attendance has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Fact.

A bowl system doesn’t reward team base on merit that we can all agree. They are looking to maximize their economic impact on their community.

Maybe I shouldn’t reference BCS but for FBS football that their way of championship. In FCS, a playoff is the way they crown their championship.

Anyway, it isn’t about BCS but the point of argument is about a bowl system that looks at number of fans that support their programs.

SEC and B10 have the highest average attendance league follows by B12 and PAC10 then ACC with BE lowest. If you look at bowls that associate with those leagues you can be certain that their total bowls payout follow the same pattern.

In the end, it's really all about selling tickets.

(08-25-2009 11:19 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 10:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 05:18 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 03:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(08-25-2009 11:20 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  MWC- Is this BCS worthy league?

Silly comment. Attendance has nothing to do with the quality of football. If it did then Michigan would win the national championship just about EVERY year.

BCS is bowl centric where fans supports worth more than wins and loses. And that is the truth.

The BCS has already announced what factors will play into conferences getting automatic bids in the future. Attendance has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Fact.

A bowl system doesn’t reward team base on merit that we can all agree. They are looking to maximize their economic impact on their community.

Maybe I shouldn’t reference BCS but for FBS football that their way of championship. In FCS, a playoff is the way they crown their championship.

Anyway, it isn’t about BCS but the point of argument is about a bowl system that looks at number of fans that support their programs.

SEC and B10 have the highest average attendance league follows by B12 and PAC10 then ACC with BE lowest. If you look at bowls that associate with those leagues you can be certain that their total bowls payout follow the same pattern.

I agree with you on the bowl system as a whole. However, you were implying that the MWC isn't BCS worthy simply because their average attendance is 31k-35k (by the way, comperable to the defending Big East champs). That's the point I was arguing.

SEC normally leads the nation in average attendance...as the SEC has lead the nation in total attendance for the past 27 years.

Here's the BCS average attendances for 2008:

SEC: 75,816
Big Ten: 70,514
Big 12: 61,993
Pac 10: 56,632
ACC: 52,806
Big East: 42,994

(08-26-2009 08:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  SEC normally leads the nation in average attendance...as the SEC has lead the nation in total attendance for the past 27 years.

Here's the BCS average attendances for 2008:

SEC: 75,816
Big Ten: 70,514
Big 12: 61,993
Pac 10: 56,632
ACC: 52,806
Big East: 42,994

Thanks for the numbers... Funny how this almost perfectly correlates with (a) the quality of the bowl affiliations, (b) the value of the football-aspect of the TV contracts.

The only deviations are that the ACC has better bowl and TV arrangements than the Pac-10, and that's probably a temporary aberration because the media bought in to the ACC-Superpower hype that accompanied their raid on the Big East five years ago.

It shows the Big East to be a "tweener" conference. We're about halfway between the 2nd-worst BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference.

(08-26-2009 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2009 08:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  SEC normally leads the nation in average attendance...as the SEC has lead the nation in total attendance for the past 27 years.

Here's the BCS average attendances for 2008:

SEC: 75,816
Big Ten: 70,514
Big 12: 61,993
Pac 10: 56,632
ACC: 52,806
Big East: 42,994

Thanks for the numbers... Funny how this almost perfectly correlates with (a) the quality of the bowl affiliations, (b) the value of the football-aspect of the TV contracts.

The only deviations are that the ACC has better bowl and TV arrangements than the Pac-10, and that's probably a temporary aberration because the media bought in to the ACC-Superpower hype that accompanied their raid on the Big East five years ago.

It shows the Big East to be a "tweener" conference. We're about halfway between the 2nd-worst BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference.

Thank God, our expansion to 54K is open this year and UL's expansion to 62K (?) is done next year. The question is will we sell out those seats regularly? If we do that must shift our nearly 43K towards 50K in a hurry.

I would like to see our league established a new record and break that 46 870k avg record of 2003.

(08-26-2009 08:33 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(08-26-2009 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2009 08:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  SEC normally leads the nation in average attendance...as the SEC has lead the nation in total attendance for the past 27 years.

Here's the BCS average attendances for 2008:

SEC: 75,816
Big Ten: 70,514
Big 12: 61,993
Pac 10: 56,632
ACC: 52,806
Big East: 42,994

Thanks for the numbers... Funny how this almost perfectly correlates with (a) the quality of the bowl affiliations, (b) the value of the football-aspect of the TV contracts.

The only deviations are that the ACC has better bowl and TV arrangements than the Pac-10, and that's probably a temporary aberration because the media bought in to the ACC-Superpower hype that accompanied their raid on the Big East five years ago.

It shows the Big East to be a "tweener" conference. We're about halfway between the 2nd-worst BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference.

Thank God, our expansion to 54K is open this year and UL's expansion to 62K (?) is done next year. The question is will we sell out those seats regularly? If we do that must shift our nearly 43K towards 50K in a hurry.

Believe it's 56k, brista. And yeah, we need to get in the 50k range as a league, it'll make us look so much better...

Getting to "ACC" range is crucial.

(08-26-2009 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2009 08:05 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  SEC normally leads the nation in average attendance...as the SEC has lead the nation in total attendance for the past 27 years.

Here's the BCS average attendances for 2008:

SEC: 75,816
Big Ten: 70,514
Big 12: 61,993
Pac 10: 56,632
ACC: 52,806
Big East: 42,994

Thanks for the numbers... Funny how this almost perfectly correlates with (a) the quality of the bowl affiliations, (b) the value of the football-aspect of the TV contracts.

The only deviations are that the ACC has better bowl and TV arrangements than the Pac-10, and that's probably a temporary aberration because the media bought in to the ACC-Superpower hype that accompanied their raid on the Big East five years ago.

It shows the Big East to be a "tweener" conference. We're about halfway between the 2nd-worst BCS conference and the best non-BCS conference.

While the ACC does have some bowl slots "out west", most bowls do take place in the South/Southeastern US...so no doubt "location" probably helps the ACC grab a slot or two more than the Pac-10...(plus, having 2 more teams...as the ACC I think had TEN teams go bowling last year...having 12 teams helps too).

(08-26-2009 09:21 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Getting to "ACC" range is crucial.

Right now the Big East is firmly the #6 conference in attendance. But for the league to move up we need ALL schools to have stadiums with at least 50k capacity
WV, Pitt and USF are in 60k+
RU will be 52K
Cuse is almost 50k
Louisville is expanding and will be over 50k

So we need UConn and Cincy to step up and expand their stadiums

Actually these are the 2008 attendance averages straight from the NCAA site
2008 NCAA DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL CONFERENCE ATTENDANCE
Total 2008 Change
Rank Division I FBS AttendanceAverage In Avg.
1. Southeastern **76,844 1,705
2. Big Ten 70,125 -1,033
3. Big 12 *62,956 2,015
4. Pacific-10 57,350 -606
5. Atlantic Coast 52,737 -1,050
6. Independent 50,802 -976
7. Big East 43,145 1,689
8. Mountain West 32,021 -1,916
9. Conference-USA 27,118 -548
10. Western Athletic 24,475 1,461
11. Sun Belt *18,584 2,210
12. Mid-American 16,727 -607
**All-time record for all conferences. *Conference record. # Different alignment in 2008 than in prior year

Another....."perk" of the ACC over the BE, is they have a few schools (Clem, FSU, VT) who help skew the avg up. Heck, Clem/FSU almost avg 80k. WVU is the only one that avgs almost 60k.

Man, looking at it, UNC, NCSU and UVA rank right behing WVU in attend.

For BE to get to 50,000 avg,
Pitt & USF have to approach 65,000
& everybody else sell out every game