I understand what you are saying abou weather, but IF there is one northern destination that could rival those is NYC. They are the media capital of the world and people visit there at all times of the year. IF done correctly and with enough money backing it that bowl could rival any of the others.

I don't know why the Big East isn't all over the Congressional Bowl in Washington DC?

(08-20-2009 03:35 PM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  I don't know why the Big East isn't all over the Congressional Bowl in Washington DC?

Low payout playing either ACC #9 or a service academy. Maybe that's better than the International Bowl, but certainly not as a spot for a top 3 or 4 BE team.

Frank, It's a relatively new bowl. Just seems to be perfectly located for the Big East & ACC. Get the payout up and it would be a better bowl that the one in Charlotte.

The Big East bowl line-up can be improved in two ways. One is to take the Music City Bowl spot that was just downgraded by the ACC. No way are the folks in Nashville happy about that. Big East #3/#4 has to be better than ACC #6/#7. The opponent would be the SEC as well.

The other way is to invite Big 12 #8 to the St. Petersburg Bowl and never think about wasting time with CUSA again. We know the Big 12 wants a Florida bowl but got dissed by the Gator. We can give them what they want to an extent while helping ourselves out in the process.

The Big East would gain nothing from the Eagle Bank Bowl. It was specifically created for the ACC, Navy, and Army. The only thing that bowl can offer us is to share a spot with Navy and Army two years while being shipped elsewhere, such as the Poinsettia, the other two years.

(08-20-2009 02:45 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 02:27 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 11:39 AM)animus Wrote:  This whole deal comes down to 1 Perception and 2 Fans attending the bowl games not our commish and the Georgetown's of the conference. This is kind've like recruiting. There is a 5 Star stud and he is looking at team a, which has good history but been so so lately but is his local team and then there is team b that is the state school that most of the people in the state love to watch, is a national power. When he picks team b it isn't the coach's fault of team a. The kid simply picked the school where he seemed to fit more. The same with the Sun Bowl. They picked the conference that had a better perception and the media wanted the ACC there. I don't know how we can change this perception but its going to take years to fix this. And splitting from the hoops and grabbing Memphis, ECU, UCF, and Temple's of the world isn't going to change this fact. We need to have a better media spokesman to sell our league better.

I believe it is in the job description for the commissioner to secure better bowls especially at this time when there is enough information on league unlike last time around when there were too many unknown back then but now our third place team need a higher payout and against a better opponent. If he can’t do that then we need another commissioner for football league.

The ACC commissioner manages to sell his conference as good as the SEC with 12 teams and CCG and they get big TV contract by now we see the different between the two commissioners.

He got this job with understanding there is a lot of work to do at the football side not basketball. But for now we have to wait until all is finalized.

As for perception and fans take a good look at ACC, how much a separation between us and them but look at the payout so wide the different.

That's exactly the point. ACC is not exactly better in anything. BE got better basketball yet we have a contract that not as great as ACC BBALL. Football they are not any better but they are selling it better in the media.

BE needs its own homer broadcasters on TV. SEC got ESPN and CBS pimping them daily even though product on the field is nowhere as good as they claim. Same for the B10 and the B12. BE lacks such a person on TV. It is commissioner's job to sell the league's strong points and land good contracts vs. always the last at the table.

LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

(08-21-2009 09:07 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 02:45 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 02:27 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 11:39 AM)animus Wrote:  This whole deal comes down to 1 Perception and 2 Fans attending the bowl games not our commish and the Georgetown's of the conference. This is kind've like recruiting. There is a 5 Star stud and he is looking at team a, which has good history but been so so lately but is his local team and then there is team b that is the state school that most of the people in the state love to watch, is a national power. When he picks team b it isn't the coach's fault of team a. The kid simply picked the school where he seemed to fit more. The same with the Sun Bowl. They picked the conference that had a better perception and the media wanted the ACC there. I don't know how we can change this perception but its going to take years to fix this. And splitting from the hoops and grabbing Memphis, ECU, UCF, and Temple's of the world isn't going to change this fact. We need to have a better media spokesman to sell our league better.

I believe it is in the job description for the commissioner to secure better bowls especially at this time when there is enough information on league unlike last time around when there were too many unknown back then but now our third place team need a higher payout and against a better opponent. If he can’t do that then we need another commissioner for football league.

The ACC commissioner manages to sell his conference as good as the SEC with 12 teams and CCG and they get big TV contract by now we see the different between the two commissioners.

He got this job with understanding there is a lot of work to do at the football side not basketball. But for now we have to wait until all is finalized.

As for perception and fans take a good look at ACC, how much a separation between us and them but look at the payout so wide the different.

That's exactly the point. ACC is not exactly better in anything. BE got better basketball yet we have a contract that not as great as ACC BBALL. Football they are not any better but they are selling it better in the media.

BE needs its own homer broadcasters on TV. SEC got ESPN and CBS pimping them daily even though product on the field is nowhere as good as they claim. Same for the B10 and the B12. BE lacks such a person on TV. It is commissioner's job to sell the league's strong points and land good contracts vs. always the last at the table.

LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

The BE may not be the SEC, but it's not the MWC or less either. Listening to the pundits you'd think the Big East is the absolutely worst thing in football period.
It certainly wouldn't hurt to have some pundits on tv daily talking up the league and the accomplishments it has. It sure hasn't hurt the Big Ten.

The pundits were full of praise for the conference in 2006 when Louisville, WVU and Rutgers were national title contenders. The lack of top teams has resulted in the lack of talking up the conference.

(08-21-2009 09:07 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

Separation is a lot less than you think. Of course, you won't know that cause you are one of those that believe all the hype from the media.

I still remember all the ESPN homers on TV a few years ago boosting about how the national championship game should be repeat of Ohio State vs. Michigan cause both teams are so tough and are the best in the country. What happene? both teams got the snot beat out of them in their bowls. If those bowls did not happen, many people are probably like you who probably thought those are the two best teams in the country.

Why are you on the BE board anyway?

(08-21-2009 01:11 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 09:07 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

Separation is a lot less than you think. Of course, you won't know that cause you are one of those that believe all the hypes from the media.

I still remember all the ESPN homers on TV a few years ago boosting about how the national championship game should be repeat of Ohio State vs. Michigan cause both teams are so tough and the best in the country. What happened, both teams got the snot beat out of them in their bowls. If those bowls did not happen, many people are probably like you who think those are the two best teams in the country.

Why are you on the BE board anyway?

I went to WVU. Judging from your poor grammar, I'm going to assume you didn't graduate from UConn. And you calling anyone else a homer is the height of irony. I'm not falling for media "hypes", I just know what I see. The Big East did not have a team last year that was at the level of a Florida or a USC. That's not ESPN's fault.

Fans like you make me laugh. You blame everybody else for the Big East's shortcomings. It's Notre Dame's fault. It's ESPN's fault. It's the ACC's fault. It's the media's fault. It's never the Big East's fault. Do you honestly think the conference currently has any teams as good as they did in 2006?

(08-21-2009 01:21 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 01:11 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 09:07 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

Separation is a lot less than you think. Of course, you won't know that cause you are one of those that believe all the hypes from the media.

I still remember all the ESPN homers on TV a few years ago boosting about how the national championship game should be repeat of Ohio State vs. Michigan cause both teams are so tough and the best in the country. What happened, both teams got the snot beat out of them in their bowls. If those bowls did not happen, many people are probably like you who think those are the two best teams in the country.

Why are you on the BE board anyway?

I went to WVU. Judging from your poor grammar, I'm going to assume you didn't graduate from UConn. And you calling anyone else a homer is the height of irony. I'm not falling for media "hypes", I just know what I see. The Big East did not have a team last year that was at the level of a Florida or a USC. That's not ESPN's fault.

Fans like you make me laugh. You blame everybody else for the Big East's shortcomings. It's Notre Dame's fault. It's ESPN's fault. It's the ACC's fault. It's the media's fault. It's never the Big East's fault. Do you honestly think the conference currently has any teams as good as they did in 2006?

While i'll agree what some of this is our own fault and not ESPN's fault. But as far as current teams as good as in 2006, its too early to judge that just yet. Lets wait to base this on when teams kickoff and we play a few football games first. No one saw WVU coming in 2005 and the same can be said for whatever team could potentially rise to power this season.

(08-21-2009 01:35 PM)animus Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 01:21 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 01:11 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-21-2009 09:07 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  LOL...yeah, that's what separates the Big East & SEC. ESPN's announcers. Good lord.

Separation is a lot less than you think. Of course, you won't know that cause you are one of those that believe all the hypes from the media.

I still remember all the ESPN homers on TV a few years ago boosting about how the national championship game should be repeat of Ohio State vs. Michigan cause both teams are so tough and the best in the country. What happened, both teams got the snot beat out of them in their bowls. If those bowls did not happen, many people are probably like you who think those are the two best teams in the country.

Why are you on the BE board anyway?

I went to WVU. Judging from your poor grammar, I'm going to assume you didn't graduate from UConn. And you calling anyone else a homer is the height of irony. I'm not falling for media "hypes", I just know what I see. The Big East did not have a team last year that was at the level of a Florida or a USC. That's not ESPN's fault.

Fans like you make me laugh. You blame everybody else for the Big East's shortcomings. It's Notre Dame's fault. It's ESPN's fault. It's the ACC's fault. It's the media's fault. It's never the Big East's fault. Do you honestly think the conference currently has any teams as good as they did in 2006?

While i'll agree what some of this is our own fault and not ESPN's fault. But as far as current teams as good as in 2006, its too early to judge that just yet. Lets wait to base this on when teams kickoff and we play a few football games first. No one saw WVU coming in 2005 and the same can be said for whatever team could potentially rise to power this season.

This is true; 2009 could turn out to be a great year. The Big East isn't nearly as bad as the pundits claim, but it's not as good as the homers say it is either. As usual the answer is somewhere in between.

(08-20-2009 03:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I understand what you are saying abou weather, but IF there is one northern destination that could rival those is NYC. They are the media capital of the world and people visit there at all times of the year. IF done correctly and with enough money backing it that bowl could rival any of the others.

And there are a lot of Big Ten alumni in the NY Metro, I'm willing to bet nearly as high or in some cases higher a percentage as any metro area in Texas, Arizona, California, or Florida.

MichaelSavage: I'm not going out and say that the Big East will be on the NFL's level or SEC's level for that matter. All this preseason hype or lack there of is pure nonsense. For all we know Florida can have a few injury's and lose 3-4 games while a team like LSU can win the SEC. USC constantly loses games it shouldn't and could a team like Cal or UCLA win the PAC 10. For all we know Michigan can win the Big 10. I'm a realist and the fact of the matter is the Big East will have 3 teams in the final top 25 poll and probably will win its BCS game yet again.

(08-21-2009 01:59 PM)animus Wrote:  MichaelSavage: I'm not going out and say that the Big East will be on the NFL's level or SEC's level for that matter. All this preseason hype or lack there of is pure nonsense. For all we know Florida can have a few injury's and lose 3-4 games while a team like LSU can win the SEC. USC constantly loses games it shouldn't and could a team like Cal or UCLA win the PAC 10. For all we know Michigan can win the Big 10. I'm a realist and the fact of the matter is the Big East will have 3 teams in the final top 25 poll and probably will win its BCS game yet again.

Good point Animus. I doubt the BE is as bad as the media said it is. BE will be fine this year. I can only speak from UCONN's perspective that our team is very underrated by the media. We will see soon what kind of team we got on the field. SI ranked OHIO U ahead of UCONN LOL.

While many of us true fans know the conference is better than what the media predicted, some of us here also love to use the same info from the media to put down the conference.

(08-21-2009 01:21 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I went to WVU. Judging from your poor grammar, I'm going to assume you didn't graduate from UConn. And you calling anyone else a homer is the height of irony. I'm not falling for media "hypes", I just know what I see. The Big East did not have a team last year that was at the level of a Florida or a USC. That's not ESPN's fault.

Fans like you make me laugh. You blame everybody else for the Big East's shortcomings. It's Notre Dame's fault. It's ESPN's fault. It's the ACC's fault. It's the media's fault. It's never the Big East's fault. Do you honestly think the conference currently has any teams as good as they did in 2006?

I think I am pretty realistic when it comes my own team's assessment. As for poor grammar, I write a ton and I usually don't waste my time editing. Who the hell cares on a message board? It is not like I am writing for a board meeting. Last thing I need is some WVU graduate lecturing me about grammar LOL. If you don't believe I went to UCONN, I will gladly show you my degree. On top of that, I also has a graduate degree from a very good school.

No, I am not calling you a homer. In fact, you are one of those negative fans on the board. All I read from you are negative crap one after another. BE is not as bad as the media predicted and I suspect the season will play out that way as well.

BTW, what did ESPN say about UTAH before the Sugar Bowl against Alabama?

On the field is where it happens. If all these so-called 'experts' were so good at picking The BEast, they'd have a better historical record. Look back. It sucks...

There is no interest among the national media to cover The BEast. So nobody knows the conference that well, and nobody can guess how the season will go. The number of unknowns for each team don't help matters much either. I'm going to wait for the season to play out. We'll see who's right soon enough, I figure...

(08-20-2009 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  And - the Big East needs time to grow their fan bases and attendance averages. We simply cannot match the numbers of the other BCS schools at this time.

Not exactly true. Have you seen attendance for ACC games?

Nothing to write home about, other than Clemson which is really more of a SEC-type of school than ACC. Even FSU has been struggling with attendance over the last several years.

What the BE needs more than anything is for the traditional teams in the league: Pitt & CUSE to always be in contention and make a name for themselves in bowl games. Don't get me wrong we should obviously want our own schools to win all their games, but when Pitt and CUSE have a chance to make a statement on national TV they need to deliver.

(08-21-2009 04:31 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-20-2009 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  And - the Big East needs time to grow their fan bases and attendance averages. We simply cannot match the numbers of the other BCS schools at this time.

Not exactly true. Have you seen attendance for ACC games?

Nothing to write home about, other than Clemson which is really more of a SEC-type of school than ACC. Even FSU has been struggling with attendance over the last several years.

What the BE needs more than anything is for the traditional teams in the league: Pitt & CUSE to always be in contention and make a name for themselves in bowl games. Don't get me wrong we should obviously want our own schools to win all their games, but when Pitt and CUSE have a chance to make a statement on national TV they need to deliver.

Agreed. From a national perspective, there's still a sense of "newness" with respect to the BE, which isn't necessarily a good thing in a college football world where tradition and history count for a lot. Syracuse and Pitt are the most well-known historical programs from the conference and the national perception of the BE will be highly tied to those schools.

(08-21-2009 04:31 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Even FSU has been struggling with attendance over the last several years.

The media hasn't quite caught on to this, but yeah it is true.

Bowden is now 80. I don't think FSU is going to have a truly great team again until he's gone.

Edit A friend informs me that Bowden won't be 80 until November. So I stand corrected. He is not 80 years old; merely 79 years and 41 weeks. End edit