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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 02:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.



Yes, I think Johnnie was about 6'6" or 6'7". he wasn't anywhere near 6'10."
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 02:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.



Yes, I think Johnnie was about 6'6" or 6'7". he wasn't anywhere near 6'10."

Probably a legit 6-6. We may have listed him as being a little taller.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 12:31 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Jeff Cummins was too soft, and too lazy. He had potential to be great, but his attitude did him in. Michael Covington was 6-11 and had very good skills offensively. He had a great work ethic and always did what the coaches asked him to do. Unfortunately he blew his knee out in practice and never recovered. Johnnie Bell is a good choice. And let's not forget Jake Yancy. He had the killer instinct that Too Tall didn't have. If Jake's knees had let him play another year, I think he would have had a huge year.


I never thought he was soft, I do think he was probably a mite lazy and a lack of desire. Agree he had talent. Perhaps he could have been like Elvis Presley. Not as a singer, but perhaps he could have been the second most famous man to have come from Tupelo. I remember Newell saying one time, that "Jeff needs to decide what he wants to do after he leaves UALR, play in the NBA or the Tupelo YMCA league." I guess he chose the Tupelo Y.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 03:29 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:31 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Jeff Cummins was too soft, and too lazy. He had potential to be great, but his attitude did him in. Michael Covington was 6-11 and had very good skills offensively. He had a great work ethic and always did what the coaches asked him to do. Unfortunately he blew his knee out in practice and never recovered. Johnnie Bell is a good choice. And let's not forget Jake Yancy. He had the killer instinct that Too Tall didn't have. If Jake's knees had let him play another year, I think he would have had a huge year.


I never thought he was soft, I do think he was probably a mite lazy and a lack of desire. Agree he had talent. Perhaps he could have been like Elvis Presley. Not as a singer, but perhaps he could have been the second most famous man to have come from Tupelo. I remember Newell saying one time, that "Jeff needs to decide what he wants to do after he leaves UALR, play in the NBA or the Tupelo YMCA league." I guess he chose the Tupelo Y.


He actually said it a lot more than once. Cracked me up everytime, though, and it turned out to be prophetic.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 03:35 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:29 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:31 PM)ez272 Wrote:  Jeff Cummins was too soft, and too lazy. He had potential to be great, but his attitude did him in. Michael Covington was 6-11 and had very good skills offensively. He had a great work ethic and always did what the coaches asked him to do. Unfortunately he blew his knee out in practice and never recovered. Johnnie Bell is a good choice. And let's not forget Jake Yancy. He had the killer instinct that Too Tall didn't have. If Jake's knees had let him play another year, I think he would have had a huge year.


I never thought he was soft, I do think he was probably a mite lazy and a lack of desire. Agree he had talent. Perhaps he could have been like Elvis Presley. Not as a singer, but perhaps he could have been the second most famous man to have come from Tupelo. I remember Newell saying one time, that "Jeff needs to decide what he wants to do after he leaves UALR, play in the NBA or the Tupelo YMCA league." I guess he chose the Tupelo Y.


He actually said it a lot more than once. Cracked me up everytime, though, and it turned out to be prophetic.



This is hearsay too, but someone told me one time that one of Jeff's girl fiends while he played here, was the daughter of the owner of one of the better barbecue restaurants in town. That may be why he got so fat near the end of his tenure here. He probably cut down on that fellow's profits a bunch. 04-cheers
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 03:05 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.



Yes, I think Johnnie was about 6'6" or 6'7". he wasn't anywhere near 6'10."

Probably a legit 6-6. We may have listed him as being a little taller.

ok, ok! I was wrong! Anyone else want to pile on??? lol
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 08:25 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:05 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.



Yes, I think Johnnie was about 6'6" or 6'7". he wasn't anywhere near 6'10."

Probably a legit 6-6. We may have listed him as being a little taller.

ok, ok! I was wrong! Anyone else want to pile on??? lol



Hell, don't worry about it. All of us are wrong sometimes, and we get corrected too. You wouldn't want to live the rest of your life thinking that Johnnie Belllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllwas 6'10" would you?02-13-banana
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(03-14-2009 08:38 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 08:25 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 03:05 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 02:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 01:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(03-14-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Johnnie Bell was the last 6-10 guy that made an impact for UALR that I can remember. Heck, the only other guy I can remember we've ever even had that was that tall was Jason Evansingston, but he didn't make an impact at all.

I don't believe Johnnie Bell was 6'10". I don't even believe he was listed as being that tall. I think he was around 6'7" or 6'8". And if I didn't state it correctly, I meant to say since we've been in the Sun Belt. I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.03-banghead

I remember Bell being listed in some program as 6-10, and I remember being surprised because I didn't remember him being that tall, either. Maybe it was a misprint. I was just a kid back then, after all.

And no, we haven't had a really tall guy since being ion the Sun Belt that was a force. Just Evansingston.



Yes, I think Johnnie was about 6'6" or 6'7". he wasn't anywhere near 6'10."

Probably a legit 6-6. We may have listed him as being a little taller.

ok, ok! I was wrong! Anyone else want to pile on??? lol



Hell, don't worry about it. All of us are wrong sometimes, and we get corrected too. You wouldn't want to live the rest of your life thinking that Johnnie Belllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllwas 6'10" would you?02-13-banana

haha I suppose not! Hopefully Neighboooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr will be a TRUE 6-10 guy to take us to the next level!
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(03-14-2009 09:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  Then this is obviously trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I've been a season ticket holder since 1989, and since the Newell days, I can't remember one really top big man at UALR who had great offensive skills. Can anyone of you think of any player in the 6'10" or greater range we've ever had who was an offensive impact player? I don't think there's been one since we've been in our current league.

The Sun Belt has traditionally been a guard oriented league, since really great big men are going to be snapped up by BCS teams, as there are not enough of them to go around. I have no problem with Steve's offensive philosophy. But if you can't recruit those inside player you need to make it work, you should be recruiting shooters and building your offense around a perimeter offense. Get a decent big man or two who can rebound, but don't try and build your offense around them.05-stirthepot

Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think several Sunbelt teams have snatched up big men that were BIG, but didn't really have the skills/athleticsm. Either they hoped to develop them over four years, or they just figure you HAVE to have a "big" big man so they run with what they can get.

John Wooden used to say he would take quick over big everytime. I think you look at the schools that do the best in the belt get smaller big men, that do have the quickness and skills as opposed to the big big men that are slower.

Of course if you get a big man that has both... then you go to the final four. 04-cheers
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I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.

I don't think Clark overpowers anybody. She is just very athletic and smart. Marian Kursh should have overpowered Clark, but then she is just a freshman. Too many times I saw Kursh trying to guard and push on Clark with her upper body when she should have been using her hips. All Clark had to do was side step her and let Kursh lose her balance and get an easy layup.
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(03-14-2009 10:30 PM)ez272 Wrote:  I'm talking about a tall inside player who was an offensive threat like Alysha Clark is for Middle Tennessee. Someone who could put it on the floor and overpower people going to the basket. A big man who had enough skills where one man couldn't guard him. Ain't been seen in these parts.

I don't think Clark overpowers anybody. She is just very athletic and smart. Marian Kursh should have overpowered Clark, but then she is just a freshman. Too many times I saw Kursh trying to guard and push on Clark with her upper body when she should have been using her hips. All Clark had to do was side step her and let Kursh lose her balance and get an easy layup.

Obviously "overpower" wasn't the proper term. I didn't mean Clark was overepowering in the sense of strength. I probably should have used a different term. But I was thinking of a big player who had the skills to maneuver around people and get the ball in the basket. Joe Kleine averaged over 20 points a game his senior season, if I remember correctly. We've never had a big man average 15 to my knowledge since being in the Sun Belt. In fact, we've had very few players at any position average 15 points a game for a season.03-weeping
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
Here is a blast from the 23 win past season
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
(12-26-2010 10:53 PM)insideualr Wrote:  Here is a blast from the 23 win past season

Damn. Where did you find this? Looking at this year's Sun Belt, 23 wins won't even put us on the NIT bubble like it did two years ago. I guess the NIT will have to take the league champion, if the champion doesn't win the tournament. A week ago I would have bet big money on that happening. However, at the moment its looking like UNT may be the class of the league. If I had to pick one team to win the league and the tourney it would be them. However, I would still take the field in the tournament.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
Just read it. WN is in the thread. We are co-champs.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
I remember there were a couple more post about that 23 win season dealing with the SOS. I believe that season it was in the middle 200s. If I remember correctly after that season we started scheduling tougher opponents, which someone had mentioned that was part of Chris doing.
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RE: It's somewhat of a travesty that as co champions
Indeed. You have to play quality teams - either in OOC or otherwise - to be considered. Winning 23 against weak OOC coupled with a weak league won't do it. History proves that.
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