(02-21-2009 05:34 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:30 PM)animus Wrote:  Blair will be a Power Fwd in the NBA. Does that mean he'll be a star in the league? No it doesn't. But as a college player Blair is better than Thabeet. Two different levels, two different games. Pat White was an amazing college Qb but does that mean he'll be a Pro Bowler in the NFL? No.

I am not disagreeing with you there, but at least admit that dip your shoulder into your taller opponent's chest is illegal. Blair can be a very good NBA player if he can develop that 12-18 footer shot. If he thinks he can go down low, drive 7 feet centers in the NBA back 2 feet and then make his shots, he won't last very long there.

Personally I don't give a sh1t. I don't follow the sport. But the constant whining after the fact is what i'm annoyed by. Let it go. Its only a game and it doesn't hurt UConns chances down the road.

(02-21-2009 05:37 PM)animus Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:34 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:30 PM)animus Wrote:  Blair will be a Power Fwd in the NBA. Does that mean he'll be a star in the league? No it doesn't. But as a college player Blair is better than Thabeet. Two different levels, two different games. Pat White was an amazing college Qb but does that mean he'll be a Pro Bowler in the NFL? No.

I am not disagreeing with you there, but at least admit that dip your shoulder into your taller opponent's chest is illegal. Blair can be a very good NBA player if he can develop that 12-18 footer shot. If he thinks he can go down low, drive 7 feet centers in the NBA back 2 feet and then make his shots, he won't last very long there.

Personally I don't give a sh1t. I don't follow the sport. But the constant whining after the fact is what i'm annoyed by. Let it go. Its only a game and it doesn't hurt UConns chances down the road.

Well said.

(02-21-2009 05:37 PM)animus Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:34 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:30 PM)animus Wrote:  Blair will be a Power Fwd in the NBA. Does that mean he'll be a star in the league? No it doesn't. But as a college player Blair is better than Thabeet. Two different levels, two different games. Pat White was an amazing college Qb but does that mean he'll be a Pro Bowler in the NFL? No.

I am not disagreeing with you there, but at least admit that dip your shoulder into your taller opponent's chest is illegal. Blair can be a very good NBA player if he can develop that 12-18 footer shot. If he thinks he can go down low, drive 7 feet centers in the NBA back 2 feet and then make his shots, he won't last very long there.

Personally I don't give a sh1t. I don't follow the sport. But the constant whining after the fact is what i'm annoyed by. Let it go. Its only a game and it doesn't hurt UConns chances down the road.

I am only responding to the thread because someone called me out on that. You are right, it is not a big deal since we gonna play each other at least 1-3 more times LOL. Next time I expect Adrien to guard Blair and not Thabeet. Let's put muscle to muscle and see what happens. It is much easier to drive someone taller back at the chest level than someone who is same size who is just as strong. Like Calhoun said, he has not seen Pitt style of play all year. You can betcha he will adjust.

(02-21-2009 05:36 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:33 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:30 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  I said Blair is better than Thabeet. You implied that Thabeet was better because he might be a higher draft pick. I'm challenging the relevance of your argument by pointing out, using the 2003 draft as reference, that draft selection order is a pointless rubric, because certainly no rational fan would ever claim that Milicic is, or ever was, better than Anthony, Bosh, and/or Wade. Certainly all three are better even though they weren't drafted as high.

So in other words: your argument sucks, try again.

Last I checked, dip your shoulder into someone taller and drive them back 1 feet to make your shot is illegal in the NBA too. Sorry but Thabeet would be a better NBA player just because his shot blocking ability alone.

Which was not, at all, your original argument. Your original argument was that Thabeet is better because he's a higher draft pick, not because he's a better shot blocker. So this comment is basically irrelevant to our discussion.

Your argument as Blair>Thabeet. Sorry I have to disagree. I just think Thabeet has a brighter future than Blair at the next level.

(02-21-2009 05:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's not a foul if the officials don't see it...

Aren't that the truth. Unlike officials, many of us got TiVO now.

(02-21-2009 05:41 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:36 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:33 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 05:30 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  I said Blair is better than Thabeet. You implied that Thabeet was better because he might be a higher draft pick. I'm challenging the relevance of your argument by pointing out, using the 2003 draft as reference, that draft selection order is a pointless rubric, because certainly no rational fan would ever claim that Milicic is, or ever was, better than Anthony, Bosh, and/or Wade. Certainly all three are better even though they weren't drafted as high.

So in other words: your argument sucks, try again.

Last I checked, dip your shoulder into someone taller and drive them back 1 feet to make your shot is illegal in the NBA too. Sorry but Thabeet would be a better NBA player just because his shot blocking ability alone.

Which was not, at all, your original argument. Your original argument was that Thabeet is better because he's a higher draft pick, not because he's a better shot blocker. So this comment is basically irrelevant to our discussion.

Your argument as Blair>Thabeet. Sorry I have to disagree. I just think Thabeet has a brighter future than Blair at the next level.

I kinda disagree with that. Guys like Oden and Bynam are going to destroy Thabeet. He needs to put on those pounds if he's going to be a quality center in the league. Blair is a bit undersized he could be like a Barkley though.

(02-21-2009 05:46 PM)animus Wrote:  I kinda disagree with that. Guys like Oden and Bynam are going to destroy Thabeet. He needs to put on those pounds if he's going to be a quality center in the league. Blair is a bit undersized he could be like a Barkley though.

I watched enough NBA games to have somewhat understanding how each player will fit into the next level. As far as who will be better, it is up to the NBA scouts and GMs.

First of all, you can't teach size and shot blocking. Thabeet to me could be a better Mutumbo if he develops. He is already more athletic than Mutombo. He can play centers like Oden and Bynum now. Guys like Oden and Bynum are not stronger than Thabeet. He will have problems with skill centers like Yao Ming.

Blair could be a star if he can make that 12-18 footer and rebound. He won't make his living down low dipping his shoulder into taller players like he did against Thabeet. Blair could be a poor man's Elton Brand or he could be like Elton Brand he continues to develop.

He won't have to dip his shoulder against Centers in the league. He'll have guys like Amire Staudamire guarding him.

(02-21-2009 11:25 AM)3601 Wrote:  Calhoun whining about officiating

This is news?

The difference I've noticed between SF Husky and most of the posters here is that most can admit when our team or one of our players doesn't show up to play. Blair outplayed Thabeet in ever facet of the game. Why not give him credit for playing tough instead of taking backhanded swipes at him? At some point, UConn should have realized that Blair wasn't going to get whistled for going into Thabeet and they should have adjusted.

(02-21-2009 06:28 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  The difference I've noticed between SF Husky and most of the posters here is that most can admit when our team or one of our players doesn't show up to play. Blair outplayed Thabeet in ever facet of the game. Why not give him credit for playing tough instead of taking backhanded swipes at him? At some point, UConn should have realized that Blair wasn't going to get whistled for going into Thabeet and they should have adjusted.

And SFHusky is the easiest to bait into an arguement. SF you gotta understand that most of us are homers but we seem to control ourselfs more than you. But people do take a shots at you but you have to learn to ignore some people.

(02-21-2009 06:28 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  The difference I've noticed between SF Husky and most of the posters here is that most can admit when our team or one of our players doesn't show up to play. Blair outplayed Thabeet in ever facet of the game. Why not give him credit for playing tough instead of taking backhanded swipes at him? At some point, UConn should have realized that Blair wasn't going to get whistled for going into Thabeet and they should have adjusted.

Show me where I said Blair did not outplay Thabeet. Once again you are trying to put words into my mouth. All I am saying is Blair's inside moves are fouls that should have been called. If he is in foul trouble, it would have been a different game. On the other end, UCONN played almost the whole game without Thabeet.

Discussion here is about foul calls. Blair played like a bull in the china shop and many of his moves are just plain fouls. Calhoun has the right to complain. Dixon did plenty of complaining as well.

I just saw your own coach on TV saying some BE teams style of play would have problems in the NCAA. I am pretty sure Pitt is one of those teams.

(02-21-2009 05:58 PM)animus Wrote:  He won't have to dip his shoulder against Centers in the league. He'll have guys like Amire Staudamire guarding him.

Exactly cause most NBA guys are just as strong as him. There is a reason why UCONN has so many big men in the league. Calhoun teaches NBA style basketball and his players show it. Thabeet will be another UCONN player in the NBA following the tradition. Did anyone ever thought guys like Jake Voshual and Hilton Armstrong would have long NBA careers? Most weren't even rated in the top 150 when they were seniors in high school.

(02-21-2009 06:33 PM)animus Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 06:28 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  The difference I've noticed between SF Husky and most of the posters here is that most can admit when our team or one of our players doesn't show up to play. Blair outplayed Thabeet in ever facet of the game. Why not give him credit for playing tough instead of taking backhanded swipes at him? At some point, UConn should have realized that Blair wasn't going to get whistled for going into Thabeet and they should have adjusted.

And SFHusky is the easiest to bait into an arguement. SF you gotta understand that most of us are homers but we seem to control ourselfs more than you. But people do take a shots at you but you have to learn to ignore some people.

I am just enjoying a good debate. We are talking about fouls here, aren't we?

(02-21-2009 06:56 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 06:28 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  The difference I've noticed between SF Husky and most of the posters here is that most can admit when our team or one of our players doesn't show up to play. Blair outplayed Thabeet in ever facet of the game. Why not give him credit for playing tough instead of taking backhanded swipes at him? At some point, UConn should have realized that Blair wasn't going to get whistled for going into Thabeet and they should have adjusted.

Show me where I said Blair did not outplay Thabeet. Once again you are trying to put words into my mouth. All I am saying is Blair's inside moves are fouls that should have been called. If he is in foul trouble, it would have been a different game. On the other end, UCONN played almost the whole game without Thabeet.

Discussion here is about foul calls. Blair played like a bull in the china shop and many of his moves are just plain fouls. Calhoun has the right to complain. Dixon did plenty of complaining as well.

I just saw your own coach on TV saying some BE teams style of play would have problems in the NCAA. I am pretty sure Pitt is one of those teams.

Just because you never actually said those exact words doesn't mean that wasn't what you implied. He's not putting words in your mouth, he's interpreting what your words meant, and I totally agree with him. It doesn't take much reading comprehension to understand what you're trying to say when you get into your "Pitt beat UConn, but......" or "Blair outplayed Thabeet, but......" mode. You don't have to literally say "Blair did not outplay Thabeet" to get the very same point across. Your particular style is to give a guy props (you gave Blair props for a good game) and then follow it up with a bunch of caveats (like saying Blair fouls all the time which is why he looked so much better than Thabeet, or saying that Thabeet is actually better since he'll be drafted higher, etc). Regardless, you're still making the same statement, even if you didn't say it literally.

Which is why people, including myself in this thread, continually jump on you.

Oklahoma been to free throw lines this season: 700+
Oklahoma Opponents: 400

UL07 - please tell us how refs are bias against every team that played against OU this year.

There is a reason UCONN was #1 and OU is #2 this season. Hint: it is not the refs.

(02-21-2009 09:31 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  Just because you never actually said those exact words doesn't mean that wasn't what you implied. He's not putting words in your mouth, he's interpreting what your words meant, and I totally agree with him. It doesn't take much reading comprehension to understand what you're trying to say when you get into your "Pitt beat UConn, but......" or "Blair outplayed Thabeet, but......" mode. You don't have to literally say "Blair did not outplay Thabeet" to get the very same point across. Your particular style is to give a guy props (you gave Blair props for a good game) and then follow it up with a bunch of caveats (like saying Blair fouls all the time which is why he looked so much better than Thabeet, or saying that Thabeet is actually better since he'll be drafted higher, etc). Regardless, you're still making the same statement, even if you didn't say it literally.

Which is why people, including myself in this thread, continually jump on you.

You gonna tell me Blair's bull in the china shop style of play did not impact Thabeet and UCONN? He got away with a lot of fouls and that's the bottom line. People can bi*ch and whine about Calhoun complaining, but he had every reason to complain. Then again, it is the same old style every time UCONN played Pitt except with different players. It is a wrestling match.

The topic of this thread is about fouls. Who knows how the game would have turned out if Blair got into foul trouble like he should. Blair played the way he did because refs let him. Blair is just being smart and playing to how the game was called. Thabeet could not get into the game because Blair took him out of the game.

BTW, I gonna take Animus' advice and be done with you on this topic.

(02-21-2009 10:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 09:31 PM)cdumpster11 Wrote:  Just because you never actually said those exact words doesn't mean that wasn't what you implied. He's not putting words in your mouth, he's interpreting what your words meant, and I totally agree with him. It doesn't take much reading comprehension to understand what you're trying to say when you get into your "Pitt beat UConn, but......" or "Blair outplayed Thabeet, but......" mode. You don't have to literally say "Blair did not outplay Thabeet" to get the very same point across. Your particular style is to give a guy props (you gave Blair props for a good game) and then follow it up with a bunch of caveats (like saying Blair fouls all the time which is why he looked so much better than Thabeet, or saying that Thabeet is actually better since he'll be drafted higher, etc). Regardless, you're still making the same statement, even if you didn't say it literally.

Which is why people, including myself in this thread, continually jump on you.

You gonna tell me Blair's bull in the china shop style of play did not impact Thabeet and UCONN? He got away with a lot of fouls and that's the bottom line. People can bi*ch and whine about Calhoun complaining, but he had every reason to complain. Then again, it is the same old style every time UCONN played Pitt except with different players. It is a wrestling match.

The topic of this thread is about fouls. Who knows how the game would have turned out if Blair got into foul trouble like he should. Blair played the way he did because refs let him. Blair is just being smart and playing to how the game was called. Thabeet could not get into the game because Blair took him out of the game.

BTW, I gonna take Animus' advice and be done with you on this topic.

Good idea on your part

Thugbeet just splattered a Marquette player onto the floor like a bug and no foul called. That would have been a penalty in hockey.

Unbelievable.

(02-25-2009 07:36 PM)zibby Wrote:  Thugbeet just splattered a Marquette player onto the floor like a bug and no foul called. That would have been a penalty in hockey.

*sarcasm on*

No Zibby, you just don't understand the game of basketball. Have you even watched a basketball game in your life? The other player's face clearly ran into Thabeet's elbow, not the other way around. That isn't a foul at all and I can't believe you'd suggest that it would be. Marquette is a good team but that type of play (running into other player's elbows) could cost Marquette in the tournament.

*sarcasm off*