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ASU recruting.
Intresting read from Rivals on ASU's early signing class.



Coach John Brady should shine at Arkansas State. He and his staff locked up one of the best scorers in the Southeast in Reed. The three-star guard could be the team's top scorer right away. Peterson is a big-time athlete who could be used a lot like Tyrus Thomas was used when Brady led LSU to the Final Four.

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(02-16-2009 01:13 PM)tweaky1 Wrote:  Coach John Brady should shine at Arkansas State. He and his staff locked up one of the best scorers in the Southeast in Reed. The three-star guard could be the team's top scorer right away. Peterson is a big-time athlete who could be used a lot like Tyrus Thomas was used when Brady led LSU to the Final Four.

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It's going to be interesting to see what happens up there. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us eating their dust soon.
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(02-16-2009 01:23 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:13 PM)tweaky1 Wrote:  Coach John Brady should shine at Arkansas State. He and his staff locked up one of the best scorers in the Southeast in Reed. The three-star guard could be the team's top scorer right away. Peterson is a big-time athlete who could be used a lot like Tyrus Thomas was used when Brady led LSU to the Final Four.

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It's going to be interesting to see what happens up there. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us eating their dust soon.

Their best player will be a transfer from OSU who was a 4 star out of high school. It's very questionable that they'll make it to Hot Springs this year, but they should be a factor next season.
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(02-16-2009 01:36 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:23 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:13 PM)tweaky1 Wrote:  Coach John Brady should shine at Arkansas State. He and his staff locked up one of the best scorers in the Southeast in Reed. The three-star guard could be the team's top scorer right away. Peterson is a big-time athlete who could be used a lot like Tyrus Thomas was used when Brady led LSU to the Final Four.

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It's going to be interesting to see what happens up there. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us eating their dust soon.

Their best player will be a transfer from OSU who was a 4 star out of high school. It's very questionable that they'll make it to Hot Springs this year, but they should be a factor next season.

Tweaky, not sure if that was the article you found, but I remember seeing somewhere online that they were ranked in the Top 20 midmajor recruiting classes.
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I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.
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(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I don't have the skills to assess whether someone is a good coach or not. All I can do is look at their record. Right now, the two best coaches in the Sun Belt are Maestri and Shields. I thought Brady was a pretty good coach for half the season- now he doesn't look so good. A lot of people thought Pelphrey was pretty good for half a season as well. Now he looks completely clueless. So who knows. id do think you make an interesting point about the recruiting rankings.
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(02-16-2009 02:14 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I don't have the skills to assess whether someone is a good coach or not. All I can do is look at their record. Right now, the two best coaches in the Sun Belt are Maestri and Shields. I thought Brady was a pretty good coach for half the season- now he doesn't look so good. A lot of people thought Pelphrey was pretty good for half a season as well. Now he looks completely clueless. So who knows. id do think you make an interesting point about the recruiting rankings.

My assessment of a coach is based a lot on how hard his players play when the game is over. I noticed the Razorbacks were still playing hard when it was obvious Kentucky was going to win the game. That to me goes a long way in determining how good a coach is. Our players play hard in all situations. The two most important parts, IMO, to being a good coach are R&R. #1 Recruiting. Can't win without good players. and #2 Respect. Can't enforce discline without respect. Most coaches know the x's and o's by the time they get to be a D1 coach. They might differ in philosophy. Many ways to win. Tom Izzo and a typical Big Ten offense with slow big players, and Nolan Richardson with 40 minutes of Hell. I personally like an up tempo game, but you have to have the players to do it. So I'd rather have a coach who wasn't so great a bench coach, but could recruit top players. He can always hire a veteran assistant to help with the game strategy.04-rock
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(02-16-2009 02:30 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 02:14 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I don't have the skills to assess whether someone is a good coach or not. All I can do is look at their record. Right now, the two best coaches in the Sun Belt are Maestri and Shields. I thought Brady was a pretty good coach for half the season- now he doesn't look so good. A lot of people thought Pelphrey was pretty good for half a season as well. Now he looks completely clueless. So who knows. id do think you make an interesting point about the recruiting rankings.

My assessment of a coach is based a lot on how hard his players play when the game is over. I noticed the Razorbacks were still playing hard when it was obvious Kentucky was going to win the game. That to me goes a long way in determining how good a coach is. Our players play hard in all situations. The two most important parts, IMO, to being a good coach are R&R. #1 Recruiting. Can't win without good players. and #2 Respect. Can't enforce discline without respect. Most coaches know the x's and o's by the time they get to be a D1 coach. They might differ in philosophy. Many ways to win. Tom Izzo and a typical Big Ten offense with slow big players, and Nolan Richardson with 40 minutes of Hell. I personally like an up tempo game, but you have to have the players to do it. So I'd rather have a coach who wasn't so great a bench coach, but could recruit top players. He can always hire a veteran assistant to help with the game strategy.04-rock


My assessment of a coach is winning, and how well he recruits. Winning is the bottom line. In order to do that, you've got to be able to bring in the players who can play. Getting them to play hard is fine, but you can have players who aren't worth a damn, but will still play hard and still lose. You talk a lot about Pelphrey, that his players play hard. That may be true, but he's still losing about every conference game.

Many coaches can win if they have good players, but the key is being able to continuously bring in new ones who are as good or better. That's one thing Joe Foley has done here. We often talk about coaches who win with the players that the previous coach left behind, and then struggle when they have to play with their recruits. I believe everyone will agree that the previous coach didn't leave Foley a full cabinet, in fact, I'm not even sure the cabinet was there. So far, he has brought in better players each year he has been here.
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(02-16-2009 03:13 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  Many coaches can win if they have good players, but the key is being able to continuously bring in new ones who are as good or better. That's one thing Joe Foley has done here. We often talk about coaches who win with the players that the previous coach left behind, and then struggle when they have to play with their recruits. I believe everyone will agree that the previous coach didn't leave Foley a full cabinet, in fact, I'm not even sure the cabinet was there. So far, he has brought in better players each year he has been here.

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(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
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(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.

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(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
Guys, you are jumping the gun on saying Brady can't coach. He has very little talent this season. We lost over 50% of our scoring on last seasons team. Defensively we are right up at the top in just about every catergory. I believe if you total all of our conference losses it's 42 points and that includes a 3 OT game and one other OT game. Average of losses was 6 points per game. That means we were in all the games until the end. I believe the Troy game was 10 points.

Brady has told me himself we will be a lot better next season. I don't know if that will be enough for a championship but, if we are a lot better than this season having lost the games in conference we have by a total of an average of 6 points per game. I think I can live with that.
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(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
It could be worse, try living in Little Rock.
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I have. It's quite nice.
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(02-16-2009 04:53 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
Guys, you are jumping the gun on saying Brady can't coach. He has very little talent this season. We lost over 50% of our scoring on last seasons team. Defensively we are right up at the top in just about every catergory. I believe if you total all of our conference losses it's 42 points and that includes a 3 OT game and one other OT game. Average of losses was 6 points per game. That means we were in all the games until the end. I believe the Troy game was 10 points.

Brady has told me himself we will be a lot better next season. I don't know if that will be enough for a championship but, if we are a lot better than this season having lost the games in conference we have by a total of an average of 6 points per game. I think I can live with that.

I'm judging by his body of work over the years at LSU. He had injuries some seasons, but other than three or so seasons, his teams pretty much underachieved in the weaker SEC division. However, he may get it done at ASU. Underachieve at ASU and he is pretty much done as a head coach on the D1 level.
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(02-16-2009 04:55 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
It could be worse, try living in Little Rock.


I love to hear stuff like that. Having worked for +10 years at a company with offices in many towns ranging from 2 to 200 over an area of RI to FL to NM, it always makes me laugh at their perception of Little Rock. It is even better to hear it from people living in BFE.

If an office goes down, I used to be the one that got in a car or on a plane to go fix things on LAN/WAN side of things (for those that don’t understand that, it translates to I fix things at ground zero. If you go dark you get me). So, I am in Oklahoma City in an office of 200 bringing them back online. I walk the office to spot check things and some of the locals ask about how bad it is to live in Little Rock. They would not dream of moving to Little Rock for a better job or way of life.

Now, Little Rock is a beautiful and Oklahoma City is an Arm Pit. Little Rock has tons of white collar jobs and Oklahoma City has Sonic and a couple of calls centers (like India or someplace like that). Little Rock has a large medical community and has manufacturing and Oklahoma City, like Jonesboro, has nothing. No one that has seen some of the country has ever been to Oklahoma City or Jonesboro and said, wow this place is pretty and I would like to live here that does not own land there.

My wife and I have lived in Houston, Chicago, Memphis, Miami, and Saint Louis. I would not want to live anyplace else. The only way that I would be willing to move to Jonesboro, yes I have an office there, would be if you gave me a choice of living in Texarkana or Jonesboro.
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(02-16-2009 09:58 PM)insideualr Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 04:55 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
It could be worse, try living in Little Rock.


I love to hear stuff like that. Having worked for +10 years at a company with offices in many towns ranging from 2 to 200 over an area of RI to FL to NM, it always makes me laugh at their perception of Little Rock. It is even better to hear it from people living in BFE.

If an office goes down, I used to be the one that got in a car or on a plane to go fix things on LAN/WAN side of things (for those that don’t understand that, it translates to I fix things at ground zero. If you go dark you get me). So, I am in Oklahoma City in an office of 200 bringing them back online. I walk the office to spot check things and some of the locals ask about how bad it is to live in Little Rock. They would not dream of moving to Little Rock for a better job or way of life.

Now, Little Rock is a beautiful and Oklahoma City is an Arm Pit. Little Rock has tons of white collar jobs and Oklahoma City has Sonic and a couple of calls centers (like India or someplace like that). Little Rock has a large medical community and has manufacturing and Oklahoma City, like Jonesboro, has nothing. No one that has seen some of the country has ever been to Oklahoma City or Jonesboro and said, wow this place is pretty and I would like to live here that does not own land there.

My wife and I have lived in Houston, Chicago, Memphis, Miami, and Saint Louis. I would not want to live anyplace else. The only way that I would be willing to move to Jonesboro, yes I have an office there, would be if you gave me a choice of living in Texarkana or Jonesboro.

Your point is well made. I have heard several prominent people who have moved here from other parts of the country say that Little Rock is the best kept secret in the country. We have most everything here you could ask for. Symphony, Opera, Great Repertory theater, movies, D1 basketball, Great minor league baseball, and wonderful places to eat. We might not have as many of everything as a huge city, but we have some of nearly everything, and it's much easier getting around. It's a great place to live. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, and I'm not a native. I grew up in Texas, and have lived in Pine Bluff, Ft. Smith, Houston and Waco, Texas, and believe me, Little Rock is great.04-cheers04-cheers04-cheers
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(02-16-2009 10:04 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:58 PM)insideualr Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 04:55 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 03:54 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 01:50 PM)insideualr Wrote:  I don't know if they don't have any players this year, but he has not shown me anything as a floor coach in our two games. The up side of him is that recruiting services know his name and will rate what he recruits.

If UALR and stAte are on the same kid, he will be a higher star rated player if Brady signs him instead of Shields or visa versa.

I'm not sold on Brady either. He is a good recruiter so maybe he'll land the equivalent of the Sun Belt's Tyrus Thomas and Big Baby and get his chance to win big and get the hell out of Jonesboro.
It could be worse, try living in Little Rock.


I love to hear stuff like that. Having worked for +10 years at a company with offices in many towns ranging from 2 to 200 over an area of RI to FL to NM, it always makes me laugh at their perception of Little Rock. It is even better to hear it from people living in BFE.

If an office goes down, I used to be the one that got in a car or on a plane to go fix things on LAN/WAN side of things (for those that don’t understand that, it translates to I fix things at ground zero. If you go dark you get me). So, I am in Oklahoma City in an office of 200 bringing them back online. I walk the office to spot check things and some of the locals ask about how bad it is to live in Little Rock. They would not dream of moving to Little Rock for a better job or way of life.

Now, Little Rock is a beautiful and Oklahoma City is an Arm Pit. Little Rock has tons of white collar jobs and Oklahoma City has Sonic and a couple of calls centers (like India or someplace like that). Little Rock has a large medical community and has manufacturing and Oklahoma City, like Jonesboro, has nothing. No one that has seen some of the country has ever been to Oklahoma City or Jonesboro and said, wow this place is pretty and I would like to live here that does not own land there.

My wife and I have lived in Houston, Chicago, Memphis, Miami, and Saint Louis. I would not want to live anyplace else. The only way that I would be willing to move to Jonesboro, yes I have an office there, would be if you gave me a choice of living in Texarkana or Jonesboro.

Your point is well made. I have heard several prominent people who have moved here from other parts of the country say that Little Rock is the best kept secret in the country. We have most everything here you could ask for. Symphony, Opera, Great Repertory theater, movies, D1 basketball, Great minor league baseball, and wonderful places to eat. We might not have as many of everything as a huge city, but we have some of nearly everything, and it's much easier getting around. It's a great place to live. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, and I'm not a native. I grew up in Texas, and have lived in Pine Bluff, Ft. Smith, Houston and Waco, Texas, and believe me, Little Rock is great.04-cheers04-cheers04-cheers
I personally don't really have a problem with LR but, I get sick of you guys acting like Jonesboro is the pits. Jonesboro and NEA have a lot of good things going for them and it's a good place to raise a family.
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