No actually that was based on watching the bracket buster game between Davidson and Butler and afterwards Knight and Digger and company talked about the two teams chances to making it in. The all seemed to think Butler had a chance to in at large but Davidson would have to win the SoCon tournament to get in.

I would think that had to do a lot with Butler's national ranking.

To be honest, I think Davidson is going to win the So Con Tourney- though I will be rooting for The Citadel because they've never made the Big Dance before- even when Norm Sloan was their coach.

you might find this interesting. I claimed Penn St played a bunch of cupcakes. This has their OOC SOS ranked 307th. To compare ETSU on weak OOC SOS was 294th in CBS's rankings.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...ms/rpi/PSU

Browse those facts. 13 of thier wins come againist teams with an RPI higher then 100, 8 of those 200+ RPI.

okay.. I am looking at this lastest ESPN bracket (as of 10:30pm 2/23/09 and it says it was updated today) It says 7 Big Ten teams are in but I only count 6 and I don't see Penn State. It has Penn State on the bubble.
They aren't an 11th seed on that bracket. Those were South Carolina, Niagara, Wisconsin, Minnesota.

BTW that same bracket has CoC has the 13th seed in the South ( no Davidson) and Belmont the 14th seed in the South and Bulter as a 9th seed in the Midwest.

That thing gets changed alot but thats what is up right now.

I realize Georgia Tech is struggling, but are they really a cupcake?

Temple? Rhode Island?

Even Penn- for that matter.

I'll give you there are some patsies on that sked. N.J. Tech, for instance.

But all in all that's a rather representative out-of-conference schedule for a team trying to put together a mixture of guaranteed victories and challenges.

It's really not that different from what 50 other schools would play.

THAT SAID- Penn State and Davidson might not make it in- I admit that.

But the fact you are cheerleading them not to says more about your own biases than the strengths and weaknesses of the two teams.

No Rhode Island and Temple aren't cupcakes. Maybe thats why Penn St lost those two games I didn't rank ETSU OOC schedule tougher then Penn State. CBS did, you can say other schools play the same type etc but a 307th ranking (out of 347 DIV I schools) for a Major conference team is pretty damn weak. And yes Georgia Tech with a 10-16 recond (1-12 in conference) IS A cupcake this year and did you really say Penn? 8-15 Penn with a 262 RPI? Really.. come on now.

The deal is when a coach schedules Georgia Tech or Penn, he is expecting better teams than what the Jackets and Quakers have provided this year.

Thing is, I'm not really defending DeChellis here. Penn State long has been associated with lowballing schedules, especially in football. You'll note DeChellis dropped Pitt from the schedule.

Still, a coach schedules Rhode Island, Penn, Georgia Tech and Temple.

But here's the deal, and it's what everyone knows.

Penn State might have been able to play a tougher OOC schedule. Same with every school in the nation.

And I'm no Penn State fan. They're my least favorite school. I think it is inexcusable they didn't play Pitt this year.

BUT I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND YOU BEING THIS BIASED- BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BASING THIS STUFF ON FACT- MERELY THE FACT YOU SOMEHOW THINK DECHELLIS' TENURE HERE FELL SHORT OF POTENTIAL.

PLEASE!

Okay.. what wasn't a fact? I am backing up what I said with facts. and no I don't think DeChellis tenure fell short of anything. I have never said that or anything like that. Ithink if anything he overacheived here. But there you go again trying to put words in my mouth.

BTW Penn State didn't schedule Georgia Tech, that was who they were paired with in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. It is not like Penn State blew them out it was a 2 point game. As for Penn, they played an instate school, but like you said they dropped Pitt to pick up Penn? Hmm who would they expect to get the better game from.

Rod- I'm not putting words in your mouth.

For years you have slighted DeChellis here. You've retreated on a lot of your criticisms, but the fact is you've consistently said you don't think he was all that good for whatever reason.

Most recently, you changed it to "since the other coaches brought in did so well at other schools I'm sure they could have done a good job here as well."

Really? With Paul Stanton? The revolving door of ADs? One eligible player inherited from a 7-20 team?

Before that, it was you somehow didn't like the job he did in 1996-97.

Before that, you thought Buzz Peterson could have done a better job.

Before that, it was he wasn't a good recruiter because you obsessed about Erskine Anavatarde.


Dude- Penn State has a tradition of scheduling low in their sports (Didn't they schedule Coastal Carolina in football?). But that's not what you're upset about.

You're writing this post because you wish to slight DeChellis while he is succeeding. You're not motivated by Penn State's decision to eliminate the Pitt-Penn State rivalry or the ACC/Big 10 challenge or any statistic you've named.

You're motivated because you don't like DeChellis.

And after the job he did here- that's insanity.

I have never retreated from anything I have said about DeChellis. I have just repeatedly called you every time you tried to make something up and attribute it to me. You post your lies and I post the truth, the same things I have always said. I think you have just realized I am not going to let you put
Words in my mouth without correcting you so now you are saying I have changed from what I have always said which again is not true. I have repeatedly stated my opinions on DeChellis and if someone wanted to they could go back and they would see my posts are remarkably consistent. The only thing
that ever changed was whatever statements you had made and attributed to me that I had to correct.
I really should just back and copy my last post on the subject in a recent thread and just paste it in everytime you start trying to spin stuff.

Please.

You're telling me you didn't say you didn't like DeChellis?

You're telling me you didn't say you thought all of the coaches Keener Fry brought in could have done a better job?

You're telling me you've never obsessed about Erskine "however he spelled his last name?"

Let's face facts. There are two people on here I delight in making fun of- you and theposterknownaswhatever.

You both have civic pride for this God Forsaken area, and you both resent the fact that someone like me could come in and know as much about ETSU as I do while displaying "attitude."

You also get totally trounced in debate- such as here where everybody knows you don't give a rat's ass about Penn State basketball- you just want to make some sort of "SEE! SEE! HE REALLY ISN'T THAT GOOD! HE NEVER WAS THAT GOOD- RESURRECTION OF THE PROGRAM BE DAMNED!" arguement that nobody on here buys, as witness of the lack of posts on the subject between anyone but you and I.

I don't know what your motivation is for this. The fact you're really one of these guys still living in the "THEY HIRED WHO?" mode of 13 years ago that was so popular around here?

The fact you're like 55 percent of the people around here who still want to relive the civil war (East Tennessee sided with the north- hate to break it to ya) and- GOD DAMMIT- I'm not going to give a guy from Western Pennsylvania his due- EVER?

The fact you're not that bright?

MY GOD- you kept saying "I NEVER SAID GEORGE PITTS SHOULD BE HIRED AT ETSU" and then you post a theory on "HOW GEORGE PITTS SHOULD BE THE COACH AT ETSU AND EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY!" immediately afterwards!

So it's probably a bit of all three of the above reasons.

Now, you're going to come on here and say "I never said that" and go on and on when we ALL KNOW that's your motivation.

And here's the deal- when someone is so completely defeated in debate- as you are consistently- you only have one retort.

"You're a liar! I never said that!"

I'm willing to live with that. I'm willing to live with the fact there are two people on here who will distort things they cannot possibly comprehend and you're one of them.

And so is everyone else on here.

I have always said I didn't/don't like DeChellis. I have never denied that, in fact I just posted the same thing a few days ago.

I have never denied that DeChellis did a good job here and became a good coach here. I also have never denied I see no reason to believe any of the other 3 men up for the job couldn't have turned ETSU around. Again see my post from just a few days ago.

I never was a Pitt supporter.

Lets see we had a thread where people were saying Jennings could/should be the next coach at ETSU.
I thought I would have a bit of fun and give it a try as to how that could happen. I thought the use of several emotes would let people see it wasn't really a serious post. Go back and look again, you took that seriously?
But I know you didn't, you made several posts in that thread following mine without mentioning. You are just dragging it out now because you think it might be useful in your attack againist me here.

The thing is I have always said those things, but you are now saying that is somehow retreating from previous posts on DeChellis. What did I retreat from? Did you really think I would backtrack from comments I have made several times, most recently just a couple of days ago?

Where you are spinning the truth is that this is some kind of backtracking on my part something new,
It isn't. They are the same things I have always said on those subjects.

Your problem is, again as I have said many times is while I have given DeChellis credit I haven't given him as much as you think he deserves.

As for the Civil War comment that is just another case throwing crap out there to cloud the issue and to insult this area. I would love to know where you got that 55% stat? A study perhaps.. if so link it otherwise I am guessing it is just something else you made up.

It's like this- THAT LAST POST PROVED EVERYTHING I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT YOU!

You freely admit you never liked DeChellis. This is where your comments about "Hey, he's not doing that good of a job. Only the second program he's ressurrected. Not that good. He played PENN!" come in.

And we all see through it.

You have retreated from numerous comments (haven't seen you post about Erskine Anavawhatever in awhile) and we all know it.

First DeChellis wasn't a good coach and that's why you didn't like him. Then DeChellis didn't do a good job that first year when he had nothing. Now that I've called him out you're saying you never liked him.

Okay, RodShaw didn't like the coach that brought the program back to prominence. That's been established.

My question is- WHY DO YOU OBSESS ABOUT THIS? Nobody agrees with you. Nobody is going to agree with you. Ed DeChellis has now revived his second straight basketball program. He's not going to be fired after this year. He'll probably get a nice extension. He'll probably continue to put out respectable teams that you will no doubt post in 2012 "Well sure they're 14-8 but if you look at it two of the victories are against Northwestern and the OOC isn't that good because they drew Florida State in the ACC/Big Ten shootout!"

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD- WHERE DO YOU GET THAT I SAID YOU WERE A PITT FAN?

You're an idiot. We've established that. You're very typical of the area.

Take a bow. Take another. Take literally a 55 percent figure when you know the point I'm trying to make and that it is valid.

But please- GIVE IT UP!

Give it a rest you are getting shrill. Typical Pitt, can't win on fact so you throw a bunch of crap out and try to yell loudest and longest, in your mind if you post last that means you win. alrighty if that makes you sleep better go right ahead. You keep saying "numerouss comments" but only thing you can think of is that kid from Texas. Not sure what I backed off of there, I said the kid was a total bust who played in the band for 5 years on a basketball scholarship and oh look I just said it again.

Now here is where you accuse me of saying DeChellis was a bad recruiter, not true but go ahead if it make you feel better. You forgot I also think the big JUCO kid from North Carolina, Shannon Huffsomething was a waste of bench space. See? not dodging anything, I am happy to repost my opinions.

I said DeChellis wasn't a good head coach when he got here but learned on the job and left a good one. That what I have always said, not backtracking. He left here a good, not great coach.

Okay.. you go ahead and rant now and call me names from behind your keyboard and feel all good and manly about it. Take the last word and feel that you have won.

Good night Pitt.

lol

oh what the heck I missed something.

Quote:AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD- WHERE DO YOU GET THAT I SAID YOU WERE A PITT FAN?

Maybe from your prior post, if that wasn't what you were implying what was the point of it.

Quote:MY GOD- you kept saying "I NEVER SAID GEORGE PITTS SHOULD BE HIRED AT ETSU" and then you post a theory on "HOW GEORGE PITTS SHOULD BE THE COACH AT ETSU AND EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY!" immediately afterwards!

Wow.. really starting to go heavy on the caps.. really getting shrill tonight.

Yeah, he *is* shrill lately. And profane.
It's really amazing how he can keep this up.
So many times he has been proven to be a prevaricator. Absolute iron-clad proven.

No, so many times you have proven to be an IDIOT by not even understanding what you say or comprehending what others have!

I posted five examples of how you have changed your arguements on DeChellis- and you want to say that all I have is Erskine Anavatarde?

Who's the liar now?

And wow. Theposter comes on as your little cheerleader. How wonderful for you.

I take it with great pride I have reduced this individual to the status of MotherDucker.

(02-24-2009 01:00 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  No, so many times you have proven to be an IDIOT by not even understanding what you say or comprehending what others have!

I posted five examples of how you have changed your arguements on DeChellis- and you want to say that all I have is Erskine Anavatarde?

Who's the liar now?

And wow. Theposter comes on as your little cheerleader. How wonderful for you.

I take it with great pride I have reduced this individual to the status of MotherDucker.

You are still the liar.

Thats actually what you did your five examples are not really true so they can't be evidence of me backtracking.

I have said the things about DeChellis all along. Period, no backtracking.

I am done with this thread. I think my position about DeChellis has been clearly stated and many times for all to see and stood by it though your repeated efforts to trap me into saying something else. If you keep wanting to spin it into something else go right ahead. If anybody is interested and I seriously doubt that anybody is they can decide for themselves who is telling the truth.
I am sure I will see it again because "you always hated DeChellis" is a favorite chestnut of yours to
pull out to attempt to discredit me.