(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Both sites would help recruiting if done right but I no longer have the time and teh recruiting info would only be as good as what is passed to me.

That's just it. Most of these guys don't have the time either and they are relying on information passed to them from the friend of a friend of a friend. For the most part the info is very biased. The only info on those sites that can be considered halfway accurate is the info on the 4 and 5 stars. Because you know they are being recruited by every BCS school and their info is easy to find on the internets.

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

(02-07-2009 11:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

(02-07-2009 11:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

I absolutely hope you're right. I guess I'm just nervous pinning all my inside hopes on unknowns. In the end we don't know, highly touted or not, if these recruits will be any good. And our returning players might be good but have yet to prove that they are more than very nice backups.

That said, I sure am excited about the perimeter! Stevie Moore, Mouzy, Courtney Jackson (who is really more of a swingman than an inside guy), Bozeman, and Cicic (who looks to be GREAT) should make us loaded next season and for many seasons to come! But someone really has to emerge on the inside to give us a more complete game and allow us to better play Shields ball. Great perimeter play is not really what Shields' offense is really based on, it seems. And if we lose Smith, I fear we might be in trouble.

(02-07-2009 12:07 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

I absolutely hope you're right. I guess I'm just nervous pinning all my inside hopes on unknowns. In the end we don't know, highly touted or not, if these recruits will be any good. And our returning players might be good but have yet to prove that they are more than very nice backups.

That said, I sure am excited about the perimeter! Stevie Moore, Mouzy, Courtney Jackson (who is really more of a swingman than an inside guy), Bozeman, and Cicic (who looks to be GREAT) should make us loaded next season and for many seasons to come! But someone really has to emerge on the inside to give us a more complete game and allow us to better play Shields ball. Great perimeter play is not really what Shields' offense is really based on, it seems. And if we lose Smith, I fear we might be in trouble.

We might be incorrect in our impression that Shields offense is based mainly on forcing the ball inside to the big men. Joe Kleine told me that their philosophy is getting the ball inside. But not only by throwing it inside, but by dribble penetration and then either shooting or kicking it to an open man. So on one hand, we're right that they want to get it inside, but it can be done in more than one way.

(02-07-2009 12:14 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:07 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

I absolutely hope you're right. I guess I'm just nervous pinning all my inside hopes on unknowns. In the end we don't know, highly touted or not, if these recruits will be any good. And our returning players might be good but have yet to prove that they are more than very nice backups.

That said, I sure am excited about the perimeter! Stevie Moore, Mouzy, Courtney Jackson (who is really more of a swingman than an inside guy), Bozeman, and Cicic (who looks to be GREAT) should make us loaded next season and for many seasons to come! But someone really has to emerge on the inside to give us a more complete game and allow us to better play Shields ball. Great perimeter play is not really what Shields' offense is really based on, it seems. And if we lose Smith, I fear we might be in trouble.

We might be incorrect in our impression that Shields offense is based mainly on forcing the ball inside to the big men. Joe Kleine told me that their philosophy is getting the ball inside. But not only by throwing it inside, but by dribble penetration and then either shooting or kicking it to an open man. So on one hand, we're right that they want to get it inside, but it can be done in more than one way.

True enough! It's very cool you had a good conversation with Coach Kleine. Feel free to post more about your talk! It sounds like he had a lot of interesting things to say!

(02-07-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:14 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:07 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

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(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

I absolutely hope you're right. I guess I'm just nervous pinning all my inside hopes on unknowns. In the end we don't know, highly touted or not, if these recruits will be any good. And our returning players might be good but have yet to prove that they are more than very nice backups.

That said, I sure am excited about the perimeter! Stevie Moore, Mouzy, Courtney Jackson (who is really more of a swingman than an inside guy), Bozeman, and Cicic (who looks to be GREAT) should make us loaded next season and for many seasons to come! But someone really has to emerge on the inside to give us a more complete game and allow us to better play Shields ball. Great perimeter play is not really what Shields' offense is really based on, it seems. And if we lose Smith, I fear we might be in trouble.

We might be incorrect in our impression that Shields offense is based mainly on forcing the ball inside to the big men. Joe Kleine told me that their philosophy is getting the ball inside. But not only by throwing it inside, but by dribble penetration and then either shooting or kicking it to an open man. So on one hand, we're right that they want to get it inside, but it can be done in more than one way.

True enough! It's very cool you had a good conversation with Coach Kleine. Feel free to post more about your talk! It sounds like he had a lot of interesting things to say!

Out of respect for anything a coach might say to me personally about a player or touchy situation, I wouldn't post it, but all of the things I've posted were mentioned in an open forum, so I don't think I'm revealing anything that could be construed as harmful to any player or our program in general. Joe was great and I'm sure there were several folks in the audience who might come to a game who wouldn't have come before just because of Joe's appearance. I would love to get Steve to come sometimes, but I know that would be difficult, since he's got a lot on his plate most of the time.

(02-07-2009 12:22 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:17 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:14 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 12:07 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

Not necessarily. As someone already mentioned, the obvious one has to be Kelson. They'll find a place for him to play and continue his education. And strangely enough, I still think Mike Smith will take off for Europe or somewhere overseas and continue his career there. We're brining in two big guys, and Burton and Bails still have one and two years respectively, remaining. Remember. Mike's a fourth year Junior, so he could be fairly close to receiving his degree. He could play and get paid, and come back in the off season and finish whatever he needs on his degree. That's the way I see it now, but hey, there are other players who might foresee that they're not getting much playing time, and leave for greener pastures. We'll all know when school starts this August or September.

That's a good theory. You may be right. But despite his suspensions and what not Mike is a pretty big loss to take, especially since he'll be the only somewhat "impact" inside player returning next year. I like Burton but he's a prototypical roleplayer (reminds me of Derrick Crayton), and Bails (though I like the big lug) isn't an impact player either. Hopefully the new inside guys can do well, but I must admit they seem a bit underwhelming, from what little I've been able to learn about them. Again, we're going pretty far up the depth chart to free up these spots.

Thornton seems to be the same type of player as Mike. Wide body. Tough. Will really get after you. Spuriel is long. Somewhat like Burton in stature, but more athletic. And I look for Burton to be much better next season when he comes in stronger and in better shape physically and with a year of D1 competition under his belt. And Bails, if he gets his knee repaired and can get into really good shape, could still be a very effective big man in the Sun Belt. Should Mike decide to leave, and we have Burton, Bails, Courtney Jackson, Spuriel and Thornton, that could be our best depth at the inside position we've had in a long time. Maybe ever.

I absolutely hope you're right. I guess I'm just nervous pinning all my inside hopes on unknowns. In the end we don't know, highly touted or not, if these recruits will be any good. And our returning players might be good but have yet to prove that they are more than very nice backups.

That said, I sure am excited about the perimeter! Stevie Moore, Mouzy, Courtney Jackson (who is really more of a swingman than an inside guy), Bozeman, and Cicic (who looks to be GREAT) should make us loaded next season and for many seasons to come! But someone really has to emerge on the inside to give us a more complete game and allow us to better play Shields ball. Great perimeter play is not really what Shields' offense is really based on, it seems. And if we lose Smith, I fear we might be in trouble.

We might be incorrect in our impression that Shields offense is based mainly on forcing the ball inside to the big men. Joe Kleine told me that their philosophy is getting the ball inside. But not only by throwing it inside, but by dribble penetration and then either shooting or kicking it to an open man. So on one hand, we're right that they want to get it inside, but it can be done in more than one way.

True enough! It's very cool you had a good conversation with Coach Kleine. Feel free to post more about your talk! It sounds like he had a lot of interesting things to say!

Out of respect for anything a coach might say to me personally about a player or touchy situation, I wouldn't post it, but all of the things I've posted were mentioned in an open forum, so I don't think I'm revealing anything that could be construed as harmful to any player or our program in general. Joe was great and I'm sure there were several folks in the audience who might come to a game who wouldn't have come before just because of Joe's appearance. I would love to get Steve to come sometimes, but I know that would be difficult, since he's got a lot on his plate most of the time.

Thanks for finding that info on Cicic. I hadn't found any info on him. He sounds like that big shooting guard (who can actually shoot) that we have all been looking for. He apparently is a coach's son so his fundamentals are likely to be very good- Europeans tend to be better in this area anyway. Seems like we will be loaded in the back court next year with a 2 year Big East starter (Bozeman) taking over at the point, our leading scorer and likely all Sun Belt player (Stevie) coming back at the 2, and 2 big guards Cicic and McBride who can shoot the three coming in next year. Davison is also apparently a scoring guard, but his 3 point percentage was only average the last time I checked.

Davison is also apparently a scoring guard, but his 3 point percentage was only average the last time I checked.
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Yeah, I checked on that this morning and he is an ok scorer for JC level but his 3 point % is pretty poor, something like .296. Just looking at his stat line it appears that he scores about 15-16 points a game, but it's because he takes an immense amount of shots.

(02-07-2009 01:42 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  Yeah, I checked on that this morning and he is an ok scorer for JC level but his 3 point % is pretty poor, something like .296. Just looking at his stat line it appears that he scores about 15-16 points a game, but it's because he takes an immense amount of shots.

that does not bode well for him in the classic Shields system.

(02-07-2009 02:09 PM)Robert C Wrote:  that does not bode well for him in the classic Shields system.

Steve could have a somewhat different role envisioned for him here, though.

(02-07-2009 11:28 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:26 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:19 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 11:16 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:39 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-07-2009 09:37 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  We are WAY out of scholarships. Someone currently here or coming here is going to have to go or not come here.

Fortunately or unfortunately, that does seem to happen every year. I can definitely see Kelson Stewart or even Lamarvon Jackson headed out after this year.

Since you guys brought this up, Joe Kleine spoke to a group that I attended the other day, and he mentioned this situation. He said he realized one day. "Hey, we have 10 guys coming back, five new ones signed, that's fifteen, and we've only got 13 scholarships". He mentioned it to Steve, and was told not to worry, that these things always have a way of working out.

Joe said players leave in one of three ways. Academics, lack of playing time, or they're asked to leave. He said that's the one thing he doesn't like about coaching, but you have to do it, because if you don't, you won't have a job. I'm not divulging any secrets. This was said in an open forum. And "the truth shall set you free". He did say when asked (by yours truly) , although he isn't the one to make these decisions, that it was a pretty safe bet that III would be on scholarship next season.

On one hand I'm very glad Mouzy is getting a scholarship. He absolutely deserves it. On the other that makes another departure necessary. I'm starting to get nervous about who we're going to lose aside from graduation! Perhaps they'll release some of their signees?

No way that's going to happen. The only way those signees are not going to be here is if they don't make their grades, or drop out of college for some reason. If all of them hit campus, the departures will come from our current roster, in one form or another. And maybe grades will take care of a couple of them, so nobody has to be asked to leave. Either way, it is sad, but life isn't always perfect, is it?

Not at all, but we're gonna have to pretty far up the depth chart at this point to free up the spots!

InsideUALR, yuo said you have recruiting ties?

The coaches here are tight lipped and so is most of the staff. The little we hear before signing always comes in the descriptions of players not names. The 6'5" shooter we signed was mentioned by a couple of different people but no names schools ect...

There has been more info on the 4 bcs transfers we have landed in the last 3 years than on any of the hs kids.