(01-27-2009 02:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:11 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 08:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Win 10 games as a BCS team(which at least one team will do) and you will be ranked.

I want to make sure I'm understanding you. You take issue with someone from a BCS league with 10 wins being ranked?

Sorry, but if you play in any BCS league and have double digit wins in the regular season, you are clearly a Top 25 team. Not sure how you want to debate that.

What I am saying is that how can you blame the MWC teams for playing weak in conference scheduling, while so many of the BE teams are playing weak OOC scheduling. The schedules are ridiculous. 1 FCS team, 1-2 service academies, 2-3 BCS bottom feeders. That's 5 wins there. Then go 5-2 in the conference, which somebody has to do and you've got 10 wins and ranked. I don't think that makes a clear top 25 team. I'm just saying.

Don't tell Syracuse fans that they don't play top OOC teams! We play such tough schedules that it actually hurts us from improving our on-field play.

(01-27-2009 02:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:11 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 08:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Win 10 games as a BCS team(which at least one team will do) and you will be ranked.

I want to make sure I'm understanding you. You take issue with someone from a BCS league with 10 wins being ranked?

Sorry, but if you play in any BCS league and have double digit wins in the regular season, you are clearly a Top 25 team. Not sure how you want to debate that.

What I am saying is that how can you blame the MWC teams for playing weak in conference scheduling, while so many of the BE teams are playing weak OOC scheduling. The schedules are ridiculous. 1 FCS team, 1-2 service academies, 2-3 BCS bottom feeders. That's 5 wins there. Then go 5-2 in the conference, which somebody has to do and you've got 10 wins and ranked. I don't think that makes a clear top 25 team. I'm just saying.

I can't speak for the others, but you do know that USF has played Auburn, UNC, and Kansas (coming off a bcs bowl win) the last 2 years and has UM and FSU this year. That isn't exactly "bottom feeders" as you put it.

(01-27-2009 08:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 02:22 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:11 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 08:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Win 10 games as a BCS team(which at least one team will do) and you will be ranked.

I want to make sure I'm understanding you. You take issue with someone from a BCS league with 10 wins being ranked?

Sorry, but if you play in any BCS league and have double digit wins in the regular season, you are clearly a Top 25 team. Not sure how you want to debate that.

What I am saying is that how can you blame the MWC teams for playing weak in conference scheduling, while so many of the BE teams are playing weak OOC scheduling. The schedules are ridiculous. 1 FCS team, 1-2 service academies, 2-3 BCS bottom feeders. That's 5 wins there. Then go 5-2 in the conference, which somebody has to do and you've got 10 wins and ranked. I don't think that makes a clear top 25 team. I'm just saying.

I can't speak for the others, but you do know that USF has played Auburn, UNC, and Kansas (coming off a bcs bowl win) the last 2 years and has UM and FSU this year. That isn't exactly "bottom feeders" as you put it.

I'm going off last year. Auburn was a top team, and a good win. UNC is now, but wasn't then. I'm still not sold on Kansas. They have a bunch of wins the last two years, but the only decent team that they have been able to beat was Missouri (who hasn't really beat anybody either)

Cuse, and Cincy were the only teams that played really tough teams OOC this year.

(01-27-2009 08:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I'm going off last year. Auburn was a top team, and a good win. UNC is now, but wasn't then. I'm still not sold on Kansas. They have a bunch of wins the last two years, but the only decent team that they have been able to beat was Missouri (who hasn't really beat anybody either)

Cuse, and Cincy were the only teams that played really tough teams OOC this year.

Once again, who did the MWC teams play again that was any better than the Big East? TCU played Oklahoma... as did UC. UCLA wasn't anything to brag about...

(01-27-2009 08:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 08:44 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I'm going off last year. Auburn was a top team, and a good win. UNC is now, but wasn't then. I'm still not sold on Kansas. They have a bunch of wins the last two years, but the only decent team that they have been able to beat was Missouri (who hasn't really beat anybody either)

Cuse, and Cincy were the only teams that played really tough teams OOC this year.

Once again, who did the MWC teams play again that was any better than the Big East? TCU played Oklahoma... as did UC. UCLA wasn't anything to brag about...

Here's a few...

New Mexico beat Arizona (bowl team)
UNLV beat ASU in Tempe (huge upset)
Utah beat Oregon State (Oregon State beat USC a week earlier in Corvallis)

Wyoming beat Tennessee in Knoxville (identical conference records)
Utah beat Alabama in Sugar Bowl

USF beat Kansas a bowl team
Pitt beat Notre dame a bowl team
Syracuse beat Notre Dame a HUGE upset
Pitt beat Iowa who upset Penn state

the reality is that except for the bowl win over Bama. the wins by both conferences were identical

(01-27-2009 09:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF beat Kansas a bowl team
Pitt beat Notre dame a bowl team
Syracuse beat Notre Dame a HUGE upset
Pitt beat Iowa who upset Penn state

the reality is that except for the bowl win over Bama. the wins by both conferences were identical

BE Champ almost losing to Hawaii and losing to a mediocre ACC Champion in the Orange Bowl really hurts perception, especially out West.

Once again you are looking at ONE year.
The previous three years the Big East champ BEAT
the ACC champ, the SEC champ and the Big12 champ.
So what Utah did this year the BE has already done. You guys had a great year, the question is can you do it again.

RockyMtnRamFan, who did CSU beat? Seriously, your conference had a great year. Nobody here has denied that. To say that you deserve anything off of 1 season does not mean jack. You do that for 3 or 4 years in a row? Then you deserve something. Until you do that, find yourself on another board. You don't bring anything to this board.

Oh, in case you wondered, I root for TCU. The old C-USA contingent (UC, UL, USF, and TCU) has done pretty damn well for itself since the conference reallignment. CSU has continued its role as a conference doormat during that time.

(01-27-2009 09:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Once again you are looking at ONE year.
The previous three years the Big East champ BEAT
the ACC champ, the SEC champ and the Big12 champ.
So what Utah did this year the BE has already done. You guys had a great year, the question is can you do it again.

OK looking at the past BCS bowls the MWC Champ has destroyed the Big East #1 and SEC #2. Tit for tat.

(01-27-2009 09:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  RockyMtnRamFan, who did CSU beat? Seriously, your conference had a great year. Nobody here has denied that. To say that you deserve anything off of 1 season does not mean jack. You do that for 3 or 4 years in a row? Then you deserve something. Until you do that, find yourself on another board. You don't bring anything to this board.

Oh, in case you wondered, I root for TCU. The old C-USA contingent (UC, UL, USF, and TCU) has done pretty damn well for itself since the conference reallignment. CSU has continued its role as a conference doormat during that time.

CSU beat Fresno State
Fresno State beat Rutgers in NJ

Yep. Fresno State beat a Rutgers team who started the year 1-5. They then played great football after that. You are full of crap if that win means anything.

I think if Fresno would have played Rutgers at the end of season the outcome would had been entirely different.
Air Force lost to NaVY and Duke beat Navy, so your point is?

(01-27-2009 09:39 PM)mlb Wrote:  Yep. Fresno State beat a Rutgers team who started the year 1-5. They then played great football after that. You are full of crap if that win means anything.

Playing in the Big East helped.

Did it? They lost to North Carolina who lost to West Virginia.

After reading your reputation I see what you are... so, goodbye.

(01-27-2009 09:39 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think if Fresno would have played Rutgers at the end of season the outcome would had been entirely different.
Air Force lost to NaVY and Duke beat Navy, so your point is?

Comparing academy schools is like comparing McDonald's to Burger King. Both are different, but they are pretty much the same.

(01-27-2009 09:35 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Once again you are looking at ONE year.
The previous three years the Big East champ BEAT
the ACC champ, the SEC champ and the Big12 champ.
So what Utah did this year the BE has already done. You guys had a great year, the question is can you do it again.

OK looking at the past BCS bowls the MWC Champ has destroyed the Big East #1 and SEC #2. Tit for tat.

Since conference realignement we are 3-1. BTW, I would have loved to see the 2004 Louisville team against that 2004 Utah team. One thing is now for certain, we had more NFL players on our roster then the Utes that year.

Michael Bush 177 yards in last game of the year against Tampa Bay
Kerry Rhodes Pro Bowl caliber safety for the NY Jets
Harry Douglas Atlanta Falcons
Elvis Dumervil sack leader for the Denver Broncos
Amobi Okoye Houston Texans-ask Mario Williams how much pressure he took off of him.
Brian Brohm Green Bay Packers
Kolby Smith KC Chiefs
Will Gay Pittsburgh Steelers
Jason Spitz Green Bay Packers

9 of those 10 players see a whole lot of playing time and play at a high level. With Petrino instead of our current idiot I would have LOVED our chances against the Utes.

(01-27-2009 09:25 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF beat Kansas a bowl team
Pitt beat Notre dame a bowl team
Syracuse beat Notre Dame a HUGE upset
Pitt beat Iowa who upset Penn state

the reality is that except for the bowl win over Bama. the wins by both conferences were identical

BE Champ almost losing to Hawaii and losing to a mediocre ACC Champion in the Orange Bowl really hurts perception, especially out West.

You may be right but no one out east cares what the west thinks. It may be sad but its true. The Pac 10 never gets the respect it deserves. Most of MWC games are on when no one cares. Facts are facts. It is what it is. I think the MWC deserves the 7th AQ bid but they'll never take the Big East's bid. If the Big East was going to lose the AQ bid it would've happened after the Big East was raided.

He is gone for 4 weeks. If he comes back and continues his BS then he'll be gone permanently.

(01-27-2009 09:43 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  

(01-27-2009 09:39 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think if Fresno would have played Rutgers at the end of season the outcome would had been entirely different.
Air Force lost to NaVY and Duke beat Navy, so your point is?

Comparing academy schools is like comparing McDonald's to Burger King. Both are different, but they are pretty much the same.