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Louisville HS football coach indicted for manslaughter charges against player
I still don’t know what to think as I don’t know both sides of the story, but my first gut feeling is that the coach isn’t some monster; he was probably doing the same things that many other coaches do throughout the city, and country.

This story will grow and will have implications throughout the country; many high school coaches will be paying attention this.

When I played high school football in the early 80’s, we were drilled very hard, but that is just the way things were. I can remember our student manager slipping us one of those tiny ice cubes between water breaks, and it tasted like the greatest thing in the world at the time, but we got through.

I don’t know if things and kids are different today; we’ll see how this story plays out.


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PRP coach indicted in football player's death

Case is believed to be first such charge in U.S.

By Antoinette Konz and Jason Riley • The Courier-Journal • January 23, 2009

The head football coach of Pleasure Ridge Park High School has been charged with reckless homicide in the death of a 15-year-old player who collapsed from heat stroke at practice.

It's the first time a criminal charge has been filed in such a case involving a high school or college coach in the United States, according to sports experts.
David Jason Stinson was indicted yesterday by a Jefferson County grand jury in the death of sophomore lineman Max Gilpin, who collapsed Aug. 20 and died three days later at Kosair Children's Hospital, after his body temperature had reached 107 degrees.

If convicted, Stinson could be sentenced to five years in prison. His attorney, Alex Dathorne, said Stinson was "shocked" by the indictment.

"He will maintain his innocence, and I believe this will be tried in front of a jury where they will hear all of the evidence, including the testimony of Mr. Stinson," Dathorne said.

Jefferson Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Stengel, who made no recommendation to the grand jury, said grand jurors didn't find that Stinson's actions were intentional or malicious.

He said reckless homicide occurs when a "person fails to perceive a risk that a reasonable person in that situation would have seen" and that person's actions cause a death.

Stinson, who continued to direct the football team through the rest of its season, has been "reassigned to non-instructional duties pending the outcome of the case," Lauren Roberts, spokeswoman for Jefferson County Public Schools, said yesterday.

"He will have no contact with students," Roberts said.

Two players collapsed
Max and a second player collapsed during the practice in which PRP coaches were alleged to have withheld water and continued to run players on a day when the heat index reached 94 degrees. The second player, a senior, spent two days in the hospital.

Both Jefferson County Public Schools and Louisville Metro Police investigated Max's death after The Courier-Journal reported that bystanders near the practice field heard coaches deny the players water. Other witnesses heard the coaches say they would run the players until someone quit the team.

Dr. Fred Mueller, director of the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research at the University of North Carolina, was among several sports experts who said yesterday they had never heard of a high school or college coach facing such an indictment.

Mueller said the indictment of Stinson will be "an eye opener" for coaches who deny water to players.

Stengel said prosecutors were working with Stinson's attorney to have the coach turn himself in Monday, when he is to be arraigned in Jefferson Circuit Court. Stengel said his office would ask that Stinson be released on his own recognizance because he is not a flight risk or a danger to the community.

He added that his office did not seek charges against five other coaches on the team, determining they committed no criminal act.

All the coaches, however, have been named in a lawsuit filed in September by Max's parents, Michele Crockett and Jeff Gilpin, accusing them of negligence and "reckless disregard."

The parents released a statement through their attorneys yesterday afternoon, saying they intend to monitor the prosecution and "expect anyone responsible for Max's death to be held accountable."

Stinson, who walked with his attorneys to the Old Jail where the grand jury was meeting yesterday, was not present when the indictment was released.

Coach did not testify
Stinson asked to testify in front of the grand jury, but the jurors declined to hear from him, Stengel said. The grand jury heard only from a Louisville Metro Police detective.

Dathorne said he and Stinson were disappointed that the coach was not able to testify before the grand jury.

"He is eager to tell his side of the story," Dathorne said.

Stinson was in his first year as head football coach at PRP when Max died.

Todd Thompson, the attorney representing Max's mother, and Mike Cooper, the attorney representing his father, said yesterday that Max's parents are "very angry" now that some of the facts about what happened Aug. 20 are coming out.

Thompson and Cooper then released a joint statement from their clients.

"Five months after Max's death, the Jefferson County School Board and PRP High School still have not provided us with any information regarding their investigation of the events surrounding Max's death, claiming that the investigation is 'confidential.' But what we have learned about the coaches' conduct at the football practice that led to Max's collapse and death is inexcusable, as was the lack of urgency and the delay in seeking medical treatment after Max collapsed and never regained consciousness."

Roberts said Stinson has worked for the district full-time since August 2005, when he was hired as a technical teacher and assistant football coach at PRP.

Roberts added that the district's investigation is still ongoing and that "it has not been determined how this indictment will affect our investigation."

No action was taken by the district against any of the other football coaches at PRP, Roberts said.

Stinson is scheduled to give a deposition in the civil case on Feb. 13, according to Thompson.

"We expect him to appear because the judge has ruled that these cases will proceed on parallel tracks," Thompson said.

Reporter Antoinette Konz can be reached at (502) 582-4232.

Reporter Jason Riley can be reached at (502) 582-4727

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...GECAROUSEL
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If you are a coach and deny water to players then you are aking for trouble. Down here in miami coaches are instructed to NEVER restrict water and there are specified timed water breaks at games.
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In heat, whether it is dry or humid, you need to replenish the fluids in the body. That's how the body cools itself. Even in winter the problem is one of cooling the body, although the problem in winter is it cools too fast. But excess body heat can cause major problems to all your major organs, especially the one known as the brain, which controls it all. The 107° temperature cooked his brain, and the rest of the body shut down as a result. I'd say that's a criminal action, if it's what really happened...
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(01-23-2009 05:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Down here in miami coaches are instructed to NEVER restrict water

So you are saying players at ANY time during practice can simply stop and say "I need water"?

I know in the last 15 years the water restrictions have been more lenient, but are they at the point of "anytime you want"?

....once again, I'm not yet taking any sides on this case; I just don't know what goes on today at HS practices; just asking for info.
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(01-23-2009 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In heat, whether it is dry or humid, you need to replenish the fluids in the body. That's how the body cools itself. Even in winter the problem is one of cooling the body, although the problem in winter is it cools too fast. But excess body heat can cause major problems to all your major organs, especially the one known as the brain, which controls it all. The 107° temperature cooked his brain, and the rest of the body shut down as a result. I'd say that's a criminal action, if it's what really happened...

Bit, we know all of that; keep kids replenished enough so you don't kill them.

The premise of my original post was more like: You are a HS coach in anywhere America...it's summer time and it's hot....you think you are being fair and doing the right thing...but if somebody still dies, will you also be indicted?
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(01-23-2009 06:17 PM)CardHouse Wrote:  
(01-23-2009 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In heat, whether it is dry or humid, you need to replenish the fluids in the body. That's how the body cools itself. Even in winter the problem is one of cooling the body, although the problem in winter is it cools too fast. But excess body heat can cause major problems to all your major organs, especially the one known as the brain, which controls it all. The 107° temperature cooked his brain, and the rest of the body shut down as a result. I'd say that's a criminal action, if it's what really happened...
Bit, we know all of that; keep kids replenished enough so you don't kill them.

The premise of my original post was more like: You are a HS coach in anywhere America...it's summer time and it's hot....you think you are being fair and doing the right thing...but if somebody still dies, will you also be indicted?
If he didn't give the kids water, it should be actionable. That's an irresponsible action, and stupidity should be a punishable offense...

If he gave them water, then he was taking proper care of the kids, and shouldn't be held accountable for events beyond his control...
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(01-23-2009 06:11 PM)CardHouse Wrote:  
(01-23-2009 05:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Down here in miami coaches are instructed to NEVER restrict water

So you are saying players at ANY time during practice can simply stop and say "I need water"?

I know in the last 15 years the water restrictions have been more lenient, but are they at the point of "anytime you want"?

....once again, I'm not yet taking any sides on this case; I just don't know what goes on today at HS practices; just asking for info.

ALL HS practices have a set time schedule for water breaks that cannot be stopped by coaches. At football practices is the athletic trainer timing the practice and after a certain time period there must be a wter break. But if a kid says I need water and a coach says no, then he is asking for trouble
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(01-23-2009 06:24 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(01-23-2009 06:17 PM)CardHouse Wrote:  
(01-23-2009 05:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  In heat, whether it is dry or humid, you need to replenish the fluids in the body. That's how the body cools itself. Even in winter the problem is one of cooling the body, although the problem in winter is it cools too fast. But excess body heat can cause major problems to all your major organs, especially the one known as the brain, which controls it all. The 107° temperature cooked his brain, and the rest of the body shut down as a result. I'd say that's a criminal action, if it's what really happened...
Bit, we know all of that; keep kids replenished enough so you don't kill them.

The premise of my original post was more like: You are a HS coach in anywhere America...it's summer time and it's hot....you think you are being fair and doing the right thing...but if somebody still dies, will you also be indicted?
If he didn't give the kids water, it should be actionable. That's an irresponsible action, and stupidity should be a punishable offense...

If he gave them water, then he was taking proper care of the kids, and shouldn't be held accountable for events beyond his control...


I agree completely. Every case is different. If the coach was taking reasonable precaution, then that is one thing. But there have been enough deaths from this sort of thing that all coaches should be very aware that nothing comes before the health of the kids, and that should be their primary concern.
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(01-23-2009 05:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you are a coach and deny water to players then you are aking for trouble. Down here in miami coaches are instructed to NEVER restrict water and there are specified timed water breaks at games.

I hate to say it, bit in FL and other places coaches are probably more fball knowledgeable. In KY, not so much...
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(01-24-2009 06:42 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  
(01-23-2009 05:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you are a coach and deny water to players then you are aking for trouble. Down here in miami coaches are instructed to NEVER restrict water and there are specified timed water breaks at games.
I hate to say it, bit in FL and other places coaches are probably more fball knowledgeable. In KY, not so much...
I'm going to wait and see what really happened before I pass any judgement. At this point, everything is speculation, and a man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...

I realize that's not how it works in principle any longer. Everyone jumps to conclusions, and then we all discuss it to death, and then vote on it...
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Quote:I hate to say it, bit in FL and other places coaches are probably more fball knowledgeable. In KY, not so much...

Are you kidding me, this comment barely deserves a response. Now if you say that florida has a larger base of atheletes and more project to the collegiate level, then i will give you that. But FL coaches are not more knowledgeable... Not to mention, this didn't happen in the boonies, this was in Louisville.
If the coach denied him water and he dies, then the coach has to feel and understand that he had some involvement. But i am sure there is more to the story than we will ever find out. Coaches push players, trying to get the most out of them. Other coaches should have been aware and stepped in if he was showing any signs of needing help.
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I am older but I remember when you didn't get water until practice ended. Kids are softer now than my generation. Just like my generation is softer than my parents. As Americans we have allowed our bodies and minds to turn to mush. It's a shame this child passed and even worse that his coach my have been responsible but this is just a symptom of a bigger problem. As a society we have become soft. America needs to get tough again. The world is kicking our ass at everything now. It's time we all took a good look at ourselves and our Nation. I think we'll find that we don't like what we have become. Maybe than things will change and the PC bullsh*t will stop.
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