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Does UNO's future effect us?
There is talk on the Belt board that UNO athletics might not survive. Not saying that this is true, but if UNO were to leave the Belt that would leave us and Denver as the only nonfootball schools since USA is adding football. Would there be a move to make football a required sport? Obviously that would eliminate us since we aren't going to be adding football. However, I kind of doubt we'd be forced out since we are a pretty solid member in most sports, are in a pretty decent sized metro area, and are very centrally located. Also the tournament in Hot Springs makes it more important for the conference to have presence in Little Rock.
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That would move the league to a 12 team league. Now, you have to figure Denver is going to find a home out west. That would bring the league down to 11 teams with us being the odd man out. We would probably be forced to do somthing.

The only out I see us having is the Summit league. The local 1aa football leagues are not going to need or want us. The Summit league has bad travel issues but I don't see any other options that would want us. It would be nice to slide into the Southland for the better travel. They do have UTA in the league already.
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(01-06-2009 09:21 PM)insideualr Wrote:  That would move the league to a 12 team league. Now, you have to figure Denver is going to find a home out west. That would bring the league down to 11 teams with us being the odd man out. We would probably be forced to do somthing.

The only out I see us having is the Summit league. The local 1aa football leagues are not going to need or want us. The Summit league has bad travel issues but I don't see any other options that would want us. It would be nice to slide into the Southland for the better travel. They do have UTA in the league already.

I can't see us moving down to the Summit or Southland. I really don't think the Sun Belt would dump us. Right now we are pretty solid in men's and women's basketball, volleyball, and will improve in baseball. We bring quite a bit to the league even without football. I guess the attitude towards us could change if the two other nonfootball schools leave, but right now I think we are on pretty solid ground.
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RE: Does UNO's future effect us?
Any chance of UALR adding football, or at least 1-aa football ?

Would the Hogs try to stop it?

Didn't UALR have football years ago?

Denver is out, is the word we're hearing in Murfreesboro.

I think you may see some conference shifts in the meantime (in the next 2 or 3 years).
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Any chance of UALR adding football, or at least 1-aa football ?

Would the Hogs try to stop it?

Didn't UALR have football years ago?

Denver is out, is the word we're hearing in Murfreesboro.

I think you may see some conference shifts in the meantime (in the next 2 or 3 years).

Prior to being UALR we were Little Rock Junior College, and won the Junior Rose Bowl, and the national Juco championship in football in 1949. One of my good friends played on that team. But I can't see us having football at this time. And where is this information about Denver being out coming from?
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If you read the Wyatt report on the Sun Belt site, Denver is clearly out. They have no inclination to add the required sports by the deadline. They are just patiently fishing from the bank to see what they can land between now and then. Basically I think they have a wink/nod and can go to the Big Sky if they want to or maybe the Summit or the group trying to form out of the independents but are going to sit tight and see what happens with the West Coast (their best fit in philosophy of institution), the Mountain West (there have been comments that indicate the league is divided among schools wanting 10 members to help basketball scheduling and 9 members because it is better for football. A hoops only member could resolve the issue if there is traction) and the WAC (like MWC in the basketball schedule issue and many of the WAC road trips involve changing planes in Denver).

Unless they start playing better hoops I don't see the WCC, MWC, or WAC taking the bait. The Big Sky is likely their future home because that would allow the league to go to a travel partner format pairing them with Northern Colorado.

UNO? Who knows how bad the situation is or how strong their resolve is to solider on.

If UNO leaves as well, there are some interesting options.
1. Stand pat at 11 total 10 football.
2. Push UALR out for 10 full members.
3. Push UALR out and add two institutions playing football for 12 total.
4. Add another hoop only (ORU? UMKC? Rule out Centary, another north Louisiana won't get traction. Add UTSA with a wait/see approach to their football talk?) and play 10 football 12 full for the time being.
5. Add another school committed to upgrading to FBS football (Texas State? UTSA if they are really on track?) and if Charlotte is really serious about football, affiliate them for football only giving 12 full members, 11 football full members and one football only affiliate.
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(01-07-2009 08:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you read the Wyatt report on the Sun Belt site, Denver is clearly out. They have no inclination to add the required sports by the deadline. They are just patiently fishing from the bank to see what they can land between now and then. Basically I think they have a wink/nod and can go to the Big Sky if they want to or maybe the Summit or the group trying to form out of the independents but are going to sit tight and see what happens with the West Coast (their best fit in philosophy of institution), the Mountain West (there have been comments that indicate the league is divided among schools wanting 10 members to help basketball scheduling and 9 members because it is better for football. A hoops only member could resolve the issue if there is traction) and the WAC (like MWC in the basketball schedule issue and many of the WAC road trips involve changing planes in Denver).

Unless they start playing better hoops I don't see the WCC, MWC, or WAC taking the bait. The Big Sky is likely their future home because that would allow the league to go to a travel partner format pairing them with Northern Colorado.

UNO? Who knows how bad the situation is or how strong their resolve is to solider on.

If UNO leaves as well, there are some interesting options.
1. Stand pat at 11 total 10 football.
2. Push UALR out for 10 full members.
3. Push UALR out and add two institutions playing football for 12 total.
4. Add another hoop only (ORU? UMKC? Rule out Centary, another north Louisiana won't get traction. Add UTSA with a wait/see approach to their football talk?) and play 10 football 12 full for the time being.
5. Add another school committed to upgrading to FBS football (Texas State? UTSA if they are really on track?) and if Charlotte is really serious about football, affiliate them for football only giving 12 full members, 11 football full members and one football only affiliate.

All that sounds like we could be in a bad spot. I don't want to take the hit that would happen from moving down in conference.
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(01-07-2009 08:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you read the Wyatt report on the Sun Belt site, Denver is clearly out. They have no inclination to add the required sports by the deadline. They are just patiently fishing from the bank to see what they can land between now and then. Basically I think they have a wink/nod and can go to the Big Sky if they want to or maybe the Summit or the group trying to form out of the independents but are going to sit tight and see what happens with the West Coast (their best fit in philosophy of institution), the Mountain West (there have been comments that indicate the league is divided among schools wanting 10 members to help basketball scheduling and 9 members because it is better for football. A hoops only member could resolve the issue if there is traction) and the WAC (like MWC in the basketball schedule issue and many of the WAC road trips involve changing planes in Denver).

Unless they start playing better hoops I don't see the WCC, MWC, or WAC taking the bait. The Big Sky is likely their future home because that would allow the league to go to a travel partner format pairing them with Northern Colorado.

UNO? Who knows how bad the situation is or how strong their resolve is to solider on.

If UNO leaves as well, there are some interesting options.
1. Stand pat at 11 total 10 football.
2. Push UALR out for 10 full members.
3. Push UALR out and add two institutions playing football for 12 total.
4. Add another hoop only (ORU? UMKC? Rule out Centary, another north Louisiana won't get traction. Add UTSA with a wait/see approach to their football talk?) and play 10 football 12 full for the time being.
5. Add another school committed to upgrading to FBS football (Texas State? UTSA if they are really on track?) and if Charlotte is really serious about football, affiliate them for football only giving 12 full members, 11 football full members and one football only affiliate.

Where does one find the "Wyatt Report" on the official SBC site?
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(01-07-2009 08:41 AM)PTJR Wrote:  Where does one find the "Wyatt Report" on the official SBC site?

Member institutions are expected to sponsor a minimum of fifteen (15) sports in which the conference offers a championship. There shall be a five-year (2012-2013) grace period for UNO and Denver to reach this standard.

http://www.sunbeltsports.org/ViewArticle...ID=1151032
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(01-07-2009 09:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  [quote='PTJR' pid='3877224' dateline='1231335700']
Where does one find the "Wyatt Report" on the official SBC site?

Member institutions are expected to sponsor a minimum of fifteen (15) sports in which the conference offers a championship. There shall be a five-year (2012-2013) grace period for UNO and Denver to reach this standard.

http://www.sunbeltsports.org/ViewArticle...ID=1151032

If they have until 2012, there doesn't seem to be any hurry on their part. Anything could happen in that time frame. I thought from the post that this change with Denver was imminent pretty soon. Heck, the Oakland Raiders could have three or four more head coaches by the time 2012 comes around.
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(01-06-2009 09:34 PM)mjs Wrote:  [quote='insideualr' pid='3876370' dateline='1231294907']
That would move the league to a 12 team league. Now, you have to figure Denver is going to find a home out west. That would bring the league down to 11 teams with us being the odd man out. We would probably be forced to do somthing.

The only out I see us having is the Summit league. The local 1aa football leagues are not going to need or want us. The Summit league has bad travel issues but I don't see any other options that would want us. It would be nice to slide into the Southland for the better travel. They do have UTA in the league already.

I can't see us moving down to the Summit or Southland. I really don't think the Sun Belt would dump us. Right now we are pretty solid in men's and women's basketball, volleyball, and will improve in baseball. We bring quite a bit to the league even without football. I guess the attitude towards us could change if the two other nonfootball schools leave, but right now I think we are on pretty solid ground.

You say you can't see us moving down to the Summit or Southland. If we were required to start a football program in order to remain in the Sun Belt, which we probably wouldn't do, where would you suggest we move. I would love to be in the Mo Valley, but there's probably not a chance in Hell of that happening. But if those other two non football programs leave, we might be forced to join one of those two leagues.
Hopefully that won't happen.
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I see little advantge at pushing football membership beyond 10. Nine is the optimum number but I don't mind 10 because it gives us one extra if we loose someone. We could go to 12 and have divisions and a championship game, if we thought that marketable in early December. I am skeptical about that.

I don't see LR being forced out. Worst case would be if we lost both Denver (I hope we do) and UNO (I hope not) and cannot find an attractive 12th team.
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I see little advantge at pushing football membership beyond 10. Nine is the optimum number but I don't mind 10 because it gives us one extra if we loose someone. We could go to 12 and have divisions and a championship game, if we thought that marketable in early December. I am skeptical about that.

I don't see LR being forced out. Worst case would be if we lost both Denver (I hope we do) and UNO (I hope not) and cannot find an attractive 12th team.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Sun Belt added UCA, should we lose the two aforementioned teams?
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You can forget UCA.

They would have to increase the size of their stadium 200% just to have a viable opportunity to move to FBS football.

So far it is staying under the radar, but UCA as well all probably know by now took out a multi-million dollar loan in violation of state law to cover operating expenses. Left unsaid so far is that the university has had to funnel an additional dollars to cover the expanded costs of Division I membership. Depending on who you believe that extra amount runs between one and two million. Lu had said going in it would take an extra $1.4 million but would make most of it up in ticket sales and conference revenue. Their ticket sales aren't up that much and the Southland is one bid basketball league that unlike the Sun Belt pays to get on television. To be at the FBS level will require an additional $4 million in athletic spending, nearly doubling the budget. They just aren't likely to be ready in the next 5-8 years.

As long as UALR is in the league there will be zero desire to add an additional member in the Little Rock television market.

Far more likely that Texas State or UT-San Antonio gets the nod.
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You can forget UCA.

They would have to increase the size of their stadium 200% just to have a viable opportunity to move to FBS football.

So far it is staying under the radar, but UCA as well all probably know by now took out a multi-million dollar loan in violation of state law to cover operating expenses. Left unsaid so far is that the university has had to funnel an additional dollars to cover the expanded costs of Division I membership. Depending on who you believe that extra amount runs between one and two million. Lu had said going in it would take an extra $1.4 million but would make most of it up in ticket sales and conference revenue. Their ticket sales aren't up that much and the Southland is one bid basketball league that unlike the Sun Belt pays to get on television. To be at the FBS level will require an additional $4 million in athletic spending, nearly doubling the budget. They just aren't likely to be ready in the next 5-8 years.

As long as UALR is in the league there will be zero desire to add an additional member in the Little Rock television market.

Far more likely that Texas State or UT-San Antonio gets the nod.

We old timers can remember when UT-San Antonio was a big rival of ours during the Newell days. Their coach was a fiery little guy named Ken Burmeister. Those were fun times.
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