There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

(12-30-2008 10:24 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

That doesn't sound "mediocre" to me. We did better than over 200 of the 267 schools on our level. No we aren't at the top, but we are not in the middle either (and we are a long way from the bottom).

(12-30-2008 10:33 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 10:24 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

That doesn't sound "mediocre" to me. We did better than over 200 of the 267 schools on our level. No we aren't at the top, but we are not in the middle either (and we are a long way from the bottom).

You guys keep saying we won 20 games. And technically you're right. But a better stat would be how many teams won more than 18 games against D1 competition. That would be a more accurate barometer.

And about the coaches. At some point, we will have a coaching change. Either Steve will be offered a better job, maybe even as a top assistant at a major program with the opportunity to eventually be the head coach there, or at some other major program, or he will be fired. That's just the nature of the game. George Allen's daughter was doing some kind of program about her father last night, and she said he always told her that coaches are hired to be fired. So whether or not we'll eventually get someone better or worse than Steve we won't know until that time comes, but it will. It might not be during my lifetime, but at some point, we'll have new coaches. That's just the way it works.

(12-30-2008 10:33 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 10:24 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

That doesn't sound "mediocre" to me. We did better than over 200 of the 267 schools on our level. No we aren't at the top, but we are not in the middle either (and we are a long way from the bottom).

I give up. Who gives a damn whether or not "it sounds mediocre", it is mediocre. I know that fans like you Mickey, are the real basketball fan, but It must be just the thrill of watching any basketball game with some of you. I love to watch good basketball, but I want my team to be the best it can be. And until I see a change to try and make it better, I'm not going to be a happy fan.

Contrary to Jim's thinking, I don't lose sleep or take any medicine because I'm so upset with our program. I'm just a person who wants to win, and living in Arkansas, where being a Trojan fans is always going to be second rate, and I understand and accept that, but I want our team to be the best it can be. I don't think it has been, or will be under the current leadership, and if changes aren't made to try and make it better, I'll just accept the fact that our fans and administration don't give a big ****, and I'll go on about my business elsewhere, as hundreds of former Trojan fans have over the last twenty years or so. Many of them bailed out when Platt was here, and they never came back. As for now, I'll be there pulling for my Trojans, hoping for a Trojan win, and hoping for a change in direction and leadership.

I'll bet, if the truth is known, the sale of season tickets has gone down some since we moved into the Jack. You've got to win big, and play exciting basketball to draw the average fans now days. Our team usually doesn't win big when we win, and whether or not we want to admit it, our brand of basketball(pound the ball inside)isn't what most basketball fans(I didn't say junkie)wants to watch.

But, I really think that the biggest reason for not wanting change in our program is, as one of you posted earlier, "we know the coaches on a personal basis here. They know us by our names". I like that also, but I'd rather not know the coach on that basis, and have a better basketball program.

(12-30-2008 12:20 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 10:33 AM)mjs Wrote:  [quote='MICHAELSPAPPY' pid='3854751' dateline='1230650643']
There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

That doesn't sound "mediocre" to me. We did better than over 200 of the 267 schools on our level. No we aren't at the top, but we are not in the middle either (and we are a long way from the bottom).

I give up. Who gives a damn whether or not "it sounds mediocre", it is mediocre. I know that fans like you Mickey, are the real basketball fan, but It must be just the thrill of watching any basketball game with some of you. I love to watch good basketball, but I want my team to be the best it can be. And until I see a change to try and make it better, I'm not going to be a happy fan.

Contrary to Jim's thinking, I don't lose sleep or take any medicine because I'm so upset with our program. I'm just a person who wants to win, and living in Arkansas, where being a Trojan fans is always going to be second rate, and I understand and accept that, but I want our team to be the best it can be. I don't think it has been, or will be under the current leadership, and if changes aren't made to try and make it better, I'll just accept the fact that our fans and administration don't give a big ****, and I'll go on about my business elsewhere, as hundreds of former Trojan fans have over the last twenty years or so. Many of them bailed out when Platt was here, and they never came back. As for now, I'll be there pulling for my Trojans, hoping for a Trojan win, and hoping for a change in direction and leadership.

I'll bet, if the truth is known, the sale of season tickets has gone down some since we moved into the Jack. You've got to win big, and play exciting basketball to draw the average fans now days. Our team usually doesn't win big when we win, and whether or not we want to admit it, our brand of basketball(pound the ball inside)isn't what most basketball fans(I didn't say junkie)wants to watch.

But, I really think that the biggest reason for not wanting change in our program is, as one of you posted earlier, "we know the coaches on a personal basis here. They know us by our names". I like that also, but I'd rather not know the coach on that basis, and have a better basketball program.

IMO is that the "pound the ball inside" brand of basketball isn't what the average fan wants to watch. Yes, Pappy and MJS, and maybe some others, appreciate the fine points of dribbling and passing and rebounding and blocking out, which is all necessary, but most of us enjoy seeing the ball being moved at a fast clip up the court for either a pull up open three or a layup. Hell. I'd like to see a 20 second shot clock. How would you like that? That would shake up the "pound the ball insiders".

(12-30-2008 12:20 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  [quote='mjs' pid='3854796' dateline='1230651229']
[quote='MICHAELSPAPPY' pid='3854751' dateline='1230650643']
You guys keep saying we won 20 games.

If we had beaten Jersey Tech twice, would those wins have meant any more?

(12-30-2008 12:25 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  I'd like to see a 20 second shot clock. How would you like that? That would shake up the "pound the ball insiders".

I would be an ex-basketball fan.

(12-30-2008 12:25 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 12:20 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 10:33 AM)mjs Wrote:  [quote='MICHAELSPAPPY' pid='3854751' dateline='1230650643']
There were about 340 D-1 teams last year. Of them, 99 (29%) won 20 games or more. Taking out the 38 BCS schools, 61 of 267 (<23%) non-BCS schools won 20 games or more. Yes, we might get someone better than Shields, but the odds are at least 3-1 that we would get someone worse.

That doesn't sound "mediocre" to me. We did better than over 200 of the 267 schools on our level. No we aren't at the top, but we are not in the middle either (and we are a long way from the bottom).

I give up. Who gives a damn whether or not "it sounds mediocre", it is mediocre. I know that fans like you Mickey, are the real basketball fan, but It must be just the thrill of watching any basketball game with some of you. I love to watch good basketball, but I want my team to be the best it can be. And until I see a change to try and make it better, I'm not going to be a happy fan.

Contrary to Jim's thinking, I don't lose sleep or take any medicine because I'm so upset with our program. I'm just a person who wants to win, and living in Arkansas, where being a Trojan fans is always going to be second rate, and I understand and accept that, but I want our team to be the best it can be. I don't think it has been, or will be under the current leadership, and if changes aren't made to try and make it better, I'll just accept the fact that our fans and administration don't give a big ****, and I'll go on about my business elsewhere, as hundreds of former Trojan fans have over the last twenty years or so. Many of them bailed out when Platt was here, and they never came back. As for now, I'll be there pulling for my Trojans, hoping for a Trojan win, and hoping for a change in direction and leadership.

I'll bet, if the truth is known, the sale of season tickets has gone down some since we moved into the Jack. You've got to win big, and play exciting basketball to draw the average fans now days. Our team usually doesn't win big when we win, and whether or not we want to admit it, our brand of basketball(pound the ball inside)isn't what most basketball fans(I didn't say junkie)wants to watch.

But, I really think that the biggest reason for not wanting change in our program is, as one of you posted earlier, "we know the coaches on a personal basis here. They know us by our names". I like that also, but I'd rather not know the coach on that basis, and have a better basketball program.

IMO is that the "pound the ball inside" brand of basketball isn't what the average fan wants to watch. Yes, Pappy and MJS, and maybe some others, appreciate the fine points of dribbling and passing and rebounding and blocking out, which is all necessary, but most of us enjoy seeing the ball being moved at a fast clip up the court for either a pull up open three or a layup. Hell. I'd like to see a 20 second shot clock. How would you like that? That would shake up the "pound the ball insiders".

Personally I'd hate to see a 20 second shot clock. If I want to see teams shoot every 10 seconds I can stop by any playground. The 35 second clock prevents teams from freezing the ball (i.e. Dean Smith's 4 corners offense), but still allows their to be some strategy in the game. I like it a lot more than the NBA's 24 second clock. I may be wrong, but I would think most on this board enjoy the college game more than the run and gun of the NBA.

Personally I'd hate to see a 20 second shot clock. If I want to see teams shoot every 10 seconds I can stop by any playground. The 35 second clock prevents teams from freezing the ball (i.e. Dean Smith's 4 corners offense), but still allows their to be some strategy in the game. I


I agree, I like the shot clock where it is. We have a hard enough time getting shots off with the 35 second clock. We'd never get one off with a 20 second clock.

[quote='LRTrojan' pid='3855506' dateline='1230666566']
Personally I'd hate to see a 20 second shot clock. If I want to see teams shoot every 10 seconds I can stop by any playground. The 35 second clock prevents teams from freezing the ball (i.e. Dean Smith's 4 corners offense), but still allows their to be some strategy in the game. I


I agree, I like the shot clock where it is. We have a hard enough time getting shots off with the 35 second clock. We'd never get one off with a 20 second clock.

shot clock. But why does it make sense for the girls to have a 30 second clock and the men 35 seconds. It probably should be the other way around. You're right in that 24 seconds isn't long enough, but 30 seconds probably would be perfect.

(12-30-2008 03:27 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  But why does it make sense for the girls to have a 30 second clock and the men 35 seconds.

It makes no sense at all.

(12-30-2008 12:41 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  [quote='Dr. J.' pid='3855088' dateline='1230657620']
[quote='mjs' pid='3854796' dateline='1230651229']
[quote='MICHAELSPAPPY' pid='3854751' dateline='1230650643']
You guys keep saying we won 20 games.

If we had beaten Jersey Tech twice, would those wins have meant any more?

Yes, if they are D1, which I assume they are.

I wish there was a 30 second shot clock.

(12-30-2008 05:20 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  I wish there was a 30 second shot clock.

But would you agree to a 29 second clock?

(12-30-2008 11:51 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 05:20 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  I wish there was a 30 second shot clock.

But would you agree to a 29 second clock?

Makes as much sense as a 24 second clock. Wonder how they came up with that number...25 was just too long.

(12-30-2008 05:18 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  Yes, if they are D1, which I assume they are.

Yes, but just barely. Independent. Winless last season and so far this season. Worst team in the country.

(12-30-2008 11:58 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 11:51 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 05:20 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  I wish there was a 30 second shot clock.

But would you agree to a 29 second clock?

Makes as much sense as a 24 second clock. Wonder how they came up with that number...25 was just too long.

The owner of the Syracuse Nationals back in the 50's was sick of teams grabbing a lead and stalling. In one game Cousy scored 30 points from the free throw line as he was fouled holding the ball. There was a 19-18 game.

He thought in a well played game where no one is stalling, each team ought to take 60 shots. In an NBA game to get 120 shots with each team taking the full time, that's a shot every 24 seconds.