(12-23-2008 01:53 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Bring ND, Villanova and GTown in the split and you keep the name also

but they would never leave the other Catholic schools.

(12-23-2008 02:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 01:53 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Bring ND, Villanova and GTown in the split and you keep the name also

but they would never leave the other Catholic schools.

says who? Do you have any information that says they wouldnt?

(12-23-2008 03:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 02:18 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 01:53 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Bring ND, Villanova and GTown in the split and you keep the name also

but they would never leave the other Catholic schools.

says who? Do you have any information that says they wouldnt?

I thought that was the prevailing opinion of everyone on the board. All the BB schools are catholic, and they all vote in a block.

There is a difference between voting as a block in conference decisions and having to decide on the future of your school in case of a split. Georgetown, Villanova and Notre Dame know full well that if the split was imminent that the football side has more to offer them than the other

(12-23-2008 04:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  There is a difference between voting as a block in conference decisions and having to decide on the future of your school in case of a split. Georgetown, Villanova and Notre Dame know full well that if the split was imminent that the football side has more to offer them than the other

As a 9+3 hybrid?
I would think that the BB schools plus Xavier + Dayton would make a better BB league than the rest of BE with any combination of Memphis/UCF/ECU.

(12-23-2008 01:53 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Bring ND, Villanova and GTown in the split and you keep the name also

Why would they keep a hybrid league? If they split they split among fb and bb. keeping Nova gtown and ND (without fb)would be viewed the same as throwing the other teams out. (not happening) Nova and Gtown put BB 1st as long as they do that their best interests are with the other BB schools not with the FBALLERS.

A league made up of
Syacuse, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincy, USF , Rutgers and Memphis
would be more appealing for the growth of the ND, Villanova and Georgetown programs
than
Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns,Marquette, De Paul, Xavier and Dayton

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Yes I do think that 9-3 hybrid is the best configuration for future growth of league.
Are you kidding me you dont think Syracuse, UConn and Pitt care more and put more money into basketball program than Providence, Seton Hall or DePaul?

I dont agree but we're all entitled to our opinions.

I think a 9-3 league wouldnt really bring long term stability. Evevntually there would be some calling for a 12 team FB Conference so there would be a championship game. The 3 Catholics would be like the red headed step children no real voice. Who would the 3 "new" programs be? Miost likely drawn from a pool of ECU,UCF, Charlotte(?) Buffalo possibly Ga St or a MAC team? Not exactly a benefit from a BB perspective. (at least not as most of those programs stand today)

(12-23-2008 05:10 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  A league made up of
Syacuse, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincy, USF , Rutgers and Memphis
would be more appealing for the growth of the ND, Villanova and Georgetown programs
than
Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns,Marquette, De Paul, Xavier and Dayton

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Yes I do think that 9-3 hybrid is the best configuration for future growth of league.
Are you kidding me you dont think Syracuse, UConn and Pitt care more and put more money into basketball program than Providence, Seton Hall or DePaul?

I think the Catholic league: ND, Villanova, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, St. Johns, Marquette, De Paul, Xavier, Dayton, and add St. Louis puts you in more major markets than the rest of the league. (NYC, Chicago, St. Louis, Cincy, Philly, Wash DC, Milwaukee) If they could add BC to make 12 that would be the premier conference in terms of television viewership.

You forget that as long as there is a BCS tag in football people are going to look even in basketball as the nonBCS as lower leagues. Is one of the main draws that keeps Villanova, Georgetown and Marquette ahead of the A-10 schools in perception.
Losing that would bring them in the publics eye to same level as the A-10 schools, not bad but certaintly a step below what the Big East is viewed as. It is the footbal's BCS tag that brings that extra power to those schools

(12-23-2008 05:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  You forget that as long as there is a BCS tag in football people are going to look even in basketball as the nonBCS as lower leagues. Is one of the main draws that keeps Villanova, Georgetown and Marquette ahead of the A-10 schools in perception.
Losing that would bring them in the publics eye to same level as the A-10 schools, not bad but certaintly a step below what the Big East is viewed as. It is the footbal's BCS tag that brings that extra power to those schools

The Catholic schools would get the Big East tag? Which brings me back to my original question, What league would the football schools play in, and would it still be BCS?

Yes, the new confernce would kept the BCS status and have its champion receive an automatic bid in basketball.

(12-23-2008 08:15 AM)gdayre Wrote:  It looks like you are the only one annoyed. Do you have the right to tell people what they can and cant post? NO! Yet you try.You are guilty of opening this thread with the intent to give people crap because you have other interest. It seems to me that you could have started a thread about the bowl games, but you choose to poo poo on everyone else fun. You are a great poster and always add value to any conversation, however, to poo poo on everyone else fun is below you. Krocker, you are much better than that.

You are too emotional about this issue to address me in such a manner. This means you are unable to step back and see anything except that you want Memphis in the Big East. Getting so personal about a post, completely opposite of the Christmas spirit just two days before the Lord's birthday, is completely unnecessary.

I am not the only person who gets fed up with the constant split/expansion stuff and athletic directors, especially, should have a more professional sense of how to deal with the issue in the media. I am not trying to "tell anybody what to post" or "poo poo on anyone's fun" but, rather, adding my opinion to the fray as well.

There is a whole offseason for this stuff, like I said, and I have made plenty of posts about bowls and other topics in the last few days. Hopefully teams start to learn from this. East Carolina and Memphis media both brought up the split/expansion angle before bowl games with USF and both ended up with the same result.

Obviously what happened in those two bowl games will not be the deciding factor in what the Big East does with football in the future but this time of year really is not the best for addressing such matters. As for the eventual direction of Big East football, we need to just agree to disagree, and simply leave things at that.

(12-23-2008 06:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-23-2008 05:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  You forget that as long as there is a BCS tag in football people are going to look even in basketball as the nonBCS as lower leagues. Is one of the main draws that keeps Villanova, Georgetown and Marquette ahead of the A-10 schools in perception.
Losing that would bring them in the publics eye to same level as the A-10 schools, not bad but certaintly a step below what the Big East is viewed as. It is the footbal's BCS tag that brings that extra power to those schools

The Catholic schools would get the Big East tag? Which brings me back to my original question, What league would the football schools play in, and would it still be BCS?

First off IF the league split took villanova,Gtown and ND with the football schools then they would keep the Big East name. and yes they would still be a BCS league because the basketball schools do not enter into equation with BCS

I like the 9 + 3 non football school concept to keep the league eastern based...also, don't think you need to F the catholic school's and take their top 3 teams...just add UMASS,TEMPLE, and either URI or Udel and let the catholics and ND form their own league...as for the 9th football school, i would favor C Flordia if there is a clean split...i only like memphis being added if the big east goes to 17 or 18 with st louisu

(12-24-2008 11:33 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the 9 + 3 non football school concept to keep the league eastern based...also, don't think you need to F the catholic school's and take their top 3 teams...just add UMASS,TEMPLE, and either URI or Udel and let the catholics and ND form their own league...as for the 9th football school, i would favor C Flordia if there is a clean split...i only like memphis being added if the big east goes to 17 or 18 with st louisu

What are you talking about? That logic is backwards. You might be putting too much value into travel partners.

Memphis has MORE value to us if we split because losing Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, etc will take our basketball down a few notches. If we split memphis is essential.

I dont mind the 9+3 idea though. UMASS would be a nice fit.

(12-26-2008 01:15 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(12-24-2008 11:33 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the 9 + 3 non football school concept to keep the league eastern based...also, don't think you need to F the catholic school's and take their top 3 teams...just add UMASS,TEMPLE, and either URI or Udel and let the catholics and ND form their own league...as for the 9th football school, i would favor C Flordia if there is a clean split...i only like memphis being added if the big east goes to 17 or 18 with st louisu

What are you talking about? That logic is backwards. You might be putting too much value into travel partners.

Memphis has MORE value to us if we split because losing Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, etc will take our basketball down a few notches. If we split memphis is essential.

I dont mind the 9+3 idea though. UMASS would be a nice fit.

I would like to see this:

Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida

wilkie as an UCF fan I would love it.. but don't think BE will ever see BC back in the fold.

Cincy
Louisville
Memphis
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
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Notre Dame (non-football)

9 football teams...everybody plays each other once for 8 conference game and 4 OOC game.
10 basketball teams...everybody plays each other twice for 18 conference game.

ND has to agree to play football games against us to be eligible for our bowl games.

that could be cool.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

(12-26-2008 04:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Cincy
Louisville
Memphis
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
UConn
WVU
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Notre Dame (non-football)

9 football teams...everybody plays each other once for 8 conference game and 4 OOC game.
10 basketball teams...everybody plays each other twice for 18 conference game.

ND has to agree to play football games against us to be eligible for our bowl games.

that could be cool.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

would be ideal

maybe add UMASS as a non football member as well to try and work ourselves back into the boston market