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RE: Barker Lane Completion
My only point in mentioning Grobe was to point out the kind of kids he recruits, again this year they have nothing but three star kids but in four years he will have some studs (they would love five stars !).
My fear for Campbell is that the program is going to be so screwed after the first two seasons that we will be in a hole that will take years to dig out of. I also think not being able to finish the facility will hurt the program; the commitment needs to be 100%. A half finished project does not reflect that.
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camelfan
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
(02-09-2009 08:53 PM)Camel76 Wrote: camelfan, I hate to break the news to you but some of CU's better players aren't or won't be there next year. Somebody needs to get real starting with the coaching staff. Until they know how to coach up instead of coaching down, they'll NEVER win significantly. Honestly the way it's been handled so far I think you'll be surprised how many players in fact shows up for the 09 season. The way some of the players were handled was unconscionable. Putting down the ability of any of the first two classes is frankly just a lame excuse. Saying they shouldn't have been there reflects more negatively toward the coaching staff than the players themselves. I'm sure the new recruits would love to hear that some of them will have to go in order for others to come in for the future. Particularly when most are paying their own way. Some way or another somebody got some idea this football is something that it's not.
Billy Pope Fan, when you mention Grobe, you're talking about a real Div 1 coach. I can guarantee you this, if by fantasy Grobe had been at CU the dialogue we're having now wouldn't happen. He would have had the Camels winning all 3 D-3 games and possibly a PFL game. The talent was there, the coaching wasn't. Not only the personnel mismanagement but game coaching was atrocious.
Who are some of the better players that will not be back next season?
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02-09-2009 10:22 PM |
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Camel76
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
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(This post was last modified: 10-06-2009 10:23 PM by Camel76.)
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02-10-2009 10:48 PM |
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camelfan
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(02-10-2009 10:48 PM)Camel76 Wrote: The shorter list would be who are some of the better players that are returning. You'll see what we're talking about camelfan sooner or later. You are right about one thing though. Don't look for any wins any time soon.It doesn't have to be that way but with the direction Steele and Company are taking thing it will remain so, believe me.
On the other hand Pembroke State University's Football team, a D-II school in only their second season beat PFL's Davidson 21-9 and PFL Champion Jacksonville 22-21. Oh I know PSU give 30 scollys but they're D-II and if were going to play up Campbell's D-I status its time to get real. The important thing is is was PSU's 2nd season. After their successful 4-7 inaugural season they didn't put up any lame excuses. They'd smoke the Camels. Their coach had six successful years of Head Coaching experience prior to joining Pembroke. There is no substitute for head coaching experience at any level.
Comparing Scholarship football to Non-scholarship football is not a fair comparison. There is a big difference in getting a full ride and having good football players having to pay their own way at a private school. Many football players could only attend school if they had a scholarship. I think we need to consider getting in the Big South and use the travel money to start scholarship football and move forward that way.
You are probably right about the coach though. That goes for Football and Basketball. We need to get some experience to build a program. We don't have any. I was not happy with many of the calls or the decisions the staff made last year either. On that I will agree with you.
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02-11-2009 11:49 AM |
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
Agree Camelfan, non scholarship is what we are so forget all the D1 scholarship talk. Why does a non scholarship team need 100 players? You think 100 non scholarship kids, most of which don't play, are poorly coached, and in a start up program are going to hang around?
We need to right the ship while we have time.
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02-11-2009 09:16 PM |
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Camel76
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02-11-2009 11:44 PM |
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(02-10-2009 10:48 PM)Camel76 Wrote: The shorter list would be who are some of the better players that are returning. You'll see what we're talking about camelfan sooner or later. You are right about one thing though. Don't look for any wins any time soon.It doesn't have to be that way but with the direction Steele and Company are taking thing it will remain so, believe me.
On the other hand Pembroke State University's Football team, a D-II school in only their second season beat PFL's Davidson 21-9 and PFL Champion Jacksonville 22-21. Oh I know PSU give 30 scollys but they're D-II and if were going to play up Campbell's D-I status its time to get real. The important thing is is was PSU's 2nd season. After their successful 4-7 inaugural season they didn't put up any lame excuses. They'd smoke the Camels. Their coach had six successful years of Head Coaching experience prior to joining Pembroke. There is no substitute for head coaching experience at any level.
Gosh, the more I read about Campbell football, the more I want my son to stay home! Must be some bad blood somewhere. I'm not sure what expectations were, but did someone somewhere expect to have a winning season in the 1st year from a program that had no faciliites until this year? I've been involved with a start-up school and football program for the past 4 years. Yea, I know it's high school and not college, but the concepts are the same. You won't be very good for a few years. Unpatient people will struggle with expectations. Coaches will be blamed. Lots of negativity will exist. I've been through it. I believe God has a plan at Campbell, not only with the coaches, but with the players. His way will be the right way, and if He wants it to succeed, no amount of your negativity will count.
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05-15-2009 07:57 PM |
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camelfan
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
(02-09-2009 08:53 PM)Camel76 Wrote: camelfan, I hate to break the news to you but some of CU's better players aren't or won't be there next year. Somebody needs to get real starting with the coaching staff. Until they know how to coach up instead of coaching down, they'll NEVER win significantly. Honestly the way it's been handled so far I think you'll be surprised how many players in fact shows up for the 09 season. The way some of the players were handled was unconscionable. Putting down the ability of any of the first two classes is frankly just a lame excuse. Saying they shouldn't have been there reflects more negatively toward the coaching staff than the players themselves. I'm sure the new recruits would love to hear that some of them will have to go in order for others to come in for the future. Particularly when most are paying their own way. Some way or another somebody got some idea this football is something that it's not.
Billy Pope Fan, when you mention Grobe, you're talking about a real Div 1 coach. I can guarantee you this, if by fantasy Grobe had been at CU the dialogue we're having now wouldn't happen. He would have had the Camels winning all 3 D-3 games and possibly a PFL game. The talent was there, the coaching wasn't. Not only the personnel mismanagement but game coaching was atrocious.
At the Spring game it appeared to me that most of the talent I saw from last year was still on the field. There was one lineman I wish would either ship out or start playing. A real waste of size - needs to get a little mean and hit somebody. The backs were there. Looks like they have new quarterbacks. That does not surprise me because the the quarterbacks from last year had to be banged up after the poor blocking. Vollano was back. I still am not real impressed with him. He hangs in there but sometimes does not know when to get rid of the ball and reminds me of Delhomme of the Panthers, finds the opposite team's jersey's about as much as he does his own. I don't think he will start this year. There was a new QB that I did not recognize from last year who really impressed me in the 1st half.
I think we will have the talent to do better and look forward to the new players coming in. Lets give them a chance. I will be supporting the players and coaches. I just hope our play calling is in line with our talent level and we do all we can to control the ball, keep the ball and give the defense the best chance we can to be successful at stoping other teams. First downs and ball control by the offense will make a difference in whether we are competetive this year. That does depend on our talent and the effort of the players but it also depends on the play calling. The play calling was not present last year and some decision making by the coaching staff was suspect to me. Why you keep your best short yardage running back on the bench in 3rd and a few yards is hard for me to understand. I was surprised that Carl even showed back up to play this year after the way he was put on the bench by the coaching staff. The yound man must have a lot of heart and integrity. I know he has a lot of talent if the coach can figure out how to use it.
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05-19-2009 04:40 PM |
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camels7778
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
I wish I had better news but I haven't seen or heard of any construction going on in the area when I drove by a few days ago. It looks like this be our facility as it is for the foreseeable future. I know the economic times are not good but this is a project that needs to be finished or worked on sooner than later. If you can't complete the project this year at least give us a date as to when it will be completed.
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Your source must be better than mine. I heard they are back to square one and the money that had been donated was contingent on some other factors that have been affected by the poor economy. I hope you are right. It would be nice to have a complete facility. I am not holding my breath though. Wake me later in the spring/summer and we'll see if any progress has been made. It would be nice to have a completed facility for at least one year for all the guys that are now going on four years in the program.
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
The only thing I've heard (from a fb player this past weekend) is they're down to $1 million to go.
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04-21-2010 10:48 AM |
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I hope you both are right. Like I said my source may not be as credible as yours. I look forward to a completed facility.
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04-21-2010 03:07 PM |
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(04-21-2010 10:48 AM)OrangeCamel Wrote: The only thing I've heard (from a fb player this past weekend) is they're down to $1 million to go.
Orange - go ahead and stroke a check for this and lets get the thing completed.
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
From a Fayetteville Observer article about spring graduation.....
BIGGEST CHUCKLE DURING CEREMONY: Robert Barker, chairman of the university's board of trustees, asked the graduates to stand and be recognized, then their parents, then their spouses, then their grandparents, then their other relatives. Then he said, "We need $2 million to add bleachers to the stadium and to put lights on the field. If you would like to give $2 million to the university, will you please stand?"
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2010...ac=Harnett
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05-20-2010 06:19 PM |
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camels7778
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How likely is this donation? I would love to see it but I think Campbell needs to be willing to pay for it and I don't see it happening anytime soon. The university needs to start spending the money that has been coming in with the increased enrollment due to football.
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06-10-2010 04:27 PM |
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camels7778
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I would again not count on it. I have not heard about any additional funding to allow construction to continue. The problem is the longer we go without building or completing the stadium the more those in charge will deem it unnecessary.
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12-03-2010 10:18 AM |
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RE: Barker Lane Completion
They are waiting for some land to sell to have the funds to complete the stadium. The way property is selling these days it may be a while. I think the plan was to get it completed before next season. Don't know exactly where this stands right now.
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