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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
I've dismissed this and thought if it was legit is going nowhere because there is noway the first black president will be removed from office once elected.

anyway, this article on American THinker explains well why its an issue and one Obama himself has made in issue and could easily clear up.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/w...h_cer.html

interesting part:

1. Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.
Quote: A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children).

B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.

C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.

E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.

F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

seems to me the CinC should atleast be held to the same standards as the Hawaii Dept. of Home Lands.
11-28-2008 11:29 AM
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This is the funniest stuff since the 9-11 truthers.
11-28-2008 11:39 AM
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There is lot more to this than meets the eye guyz .... if not, why isn't the Real and Original Birth Certificate displayed for at least the FBI and the SCOTUS to review.

And it would be the WORST thing we could do to use the Race Card in this situation and keep the man in the Oval Office simply because he is Black and REMEMBER ... he is ONLY HALF BLACK and that HALF is from a Legal Citizen of Kenya Africa.

I don't care if he is a Shape Shifting Blue/Green Martian, if he is a Legal U.S. Citizen, then let this alone, if not, do not give him quarter because of from where Half His Skin Color Comes ..... do you realize what you are inviting if we allow this SIMPLY because of Race ??? You would surely have 500 Taliban & Al Qaeda names on the Presidential Ballot in 2012.

Going down that road scares hell out of me.

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As manning says in the above video, it may be that Hawaii has no Long Form Birth Certificate. It does not exist. What he is using as a birth Certificate, is as stated under Hawaiian Law simply a Birth REGISTRATION which is used internally in Hawaii.

Its been suggested the following.

Quote:One explanation is that Obama's mother Ann Dunham, flew to Kenya in 1961 with Obama's father to meet his family. According to some news reports, Ann Dunham, was not accepted well by her husband's family because she was white:
"Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii."

However, by the time she wanted to leave Kenya, it was during the late stages of her pregnancy. She was not able to board a plane because the airlines wouldn't allow women so close to birth to fly. It is instead believed, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as his grandmother apparently stated. Then, after he was born, his mother returned with him to Hawaii where his birth was REGISTERED on or about August 8th, 1961, in the public records office in Hawaii.

Notwithstanding, depending on what the Electoral College does Mid Dec., They may be condoning the destruction of the Executive branch by installing the first illegitimate president.

For all the enthralled Obama lovers.....
" Let the truth be told, though the heavens fall."
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This is too much - the guy who claimed that the Flight 93 memorial was a tribute to Islam is teaming up with a 9-11 truther to try & bring down the President-elect. You can't make this stuff up (unlike them).

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/sar...tapes.html
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GUYZ GUYZ ..... let me ask a simple question that a 6 Year Old or even RobertN could answer with Intelligence:

"Why won't Barrack Hussein Obama just produce the necessary Real and Valid Birth Documents and other Supporting Documents to PUT THIS TO REST once and Finally for All Time" ?????

Very simple and easy question to answer and there is not one trick in the question or one trick attached to the question - - it is as Plain of a Question as One Can Ask of and from the man who is about to Assume the Most Powerful Office on the PLANET .....

What is Obama's problem(s) with giving up the info so he can shut up the Conspiracy Bunch and be able to have a good laugh at their expense ?????

If it were me, I would have Drove a Stake in their Hearts a Long Long Time Ago and I would not be having to hear this every day.

BUT - - - if this is the Real Deal and the United States "BLINDLY ELECTED" a man who makes every Impeached and Criminally Removed Politician all Combined look like the Virgin Mary in Comparison ,,, then we have Shyte Our Pants Big Time.

I am neither one way or the other on this issue .... I JUST WANT THE REAL TRUTH and that is all I want.

WHAT IS the REAL TRUTH ????? Is He or Is He NOT a Born Citizen of the United States of America ?????

It is that simple and that easy folks .... no Trick Pony in this Dog Show ....

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Here's a question - would you take a 3-day infant on a cross country trip from Kenya to Hawaii? And remember now, this is 1961 when plane travel was a little bit slower. I don't see how the mom would be up to the trip, let alone the baby.

And why would the parents want the baby born in what had to be a less sophisticated hospital. Even the dad had come to America for a better education and married an American white woman, so while he may have ended up in Kenya, he obviously recognized that he wanted to be Americanized in some aspects or another.

We know he was born on August 4th and the birth was registered around August 8th. The birth announcement clearly was in the papers the next week and again, those announcements came directly from hospital records and not through any interaction with the parents and the paper.

SumOfAllFears Wrote:As manning says in the above video, it may be that Hawaii has no Long Form Birth Certificate. It does not exist. What he is using as a birth Certificate, is as stated under Hawaiian Law simply a Birth REGISTRATION which is used internally in Hawaii.

Its been suggested the following.

Quote:One explanation is that Obama's mother Ann Dunham, flew to Kenya in 1961 with Obama's father to meet his family. According to some news reports, Ann Dunham, was not accepted well by her husband's family because she was white:
"Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii."

However, by the time she wanted to leave Kenya, it was during the late stages of her pregnancy. She was not able to board a plane because the airlines wouldn't allow women so close to birth to fly. It is instead believed, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya as his grandmother apparently stated. Then, after he was born, his mother returned with him to Hawaii where his birth was REGISTERED on or about August 8th, 1961, in the public records office in Hawaii.

Notwithstanding, depending on what the Electoral College does Mid Dec., They may be condoning the destruction of the Executive branch by installing the first illegitimate president.

For all the enthralled Obama lovers.....
" Let the truth be told, though the heavens fall."
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Fort Bend, good question.

It states that Obama's Mom did not like the way Muslim Men were allowed to treat Women in Kenya and evidently got fairly afraid to be there and maybe feared for her life and the life of the child.

There have been several True Life Stories of Arab or Muslim men living in America, Marrying American Born Women, and for what ever reason, they eventually moved back to the Middle East or back to their Home Nation - - WHERE the wife suddenly became the target of vicious attacks by the Husband - - even as far as near-death-choking's during being raped and beaten ... and the Wife was relegated to being a Muslim Woman and having to wear the Correct Garb and act as a Life Long Muslim Woman had to act or be beaten on the streets like a dog - - even if the Woman could get to the American Embassy and get Help to Get Out, the Children are now in the Middle East or Where Ever and in the Fathers Custody and no amount of American Influence will get those Children back to the Mother and if the Children are Daughters .... GOD HELP THEM !!!

So, it could easily be said that Ms. Dunham (since she Never Married Obama Sr.), was willing to Risk it all to get the hell out of Dodge for her safety and the safety of the Child and before she was Forced into Marriage to Obama's Kenyan Father - - it is said the Obama family did not like Dunham because she was White. So she may have taken the quickest opportunity to just haul ass no matter how weak or sick she was from the birth.

And if you Fly East out of Kenya and over Indonesia, the trip to Hawaii is not all that far in terms of taking a long long time to make. Kenya is on the East Coast of Africa and borders Somalia …. It is just a hop from Kenya to Hawaii going East. It is almost 4 or 5 Thousand Miles farther flying West out of Kenya.

I am not taking a side here, just speculating on your question.

As I said, I would just simply like the True Truth.

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Fort Bend Owl Wrote:Here's a question - would you take a 3-day infant on a cross country trip from Kenya to Hawaii? And remember now, this is 1961 when plane travel was a little bit slower. I don't see how the mom would be up to the trip, let alone the baby.

A heII of a lot stranger things have happened. Especially if she was in fear for her safety, or that of her newborn. Remember cattle are treated better than women in that part of the world. Being white she may have even been perceived as a threat.

I remember hearing about the pioneering women crossing the American Continent pregnant in covered wagons, so don't try to convince me that women were not up to a Pacific plane ride, no matter how many hours it took.

Trip, All I want is the TRUTH also. I MIGHT even concede that after he tells the truth and admits not being a US citizen, that it would not be in the best interest of America, or the public interest, to unseat a dully elected president. It could cause a Civil War, After all Obama only won by 2%, hardly a mandate.

What it does show everyone is that there are evil forces at work in the Democratic and Republican Party, and our leaders are again asleep at the wheel. It will undoubtedly cause these leaders their political careers. For Me, it won't happen soon enough
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Is it any wonder that a guy with an invisible record for writing productive legislation would also have a birth record that Claude Rains would be proud of? It doesn't matter where Obama was born - if he was born out of the country the people who engineered his God-like image would somehow manage to get a birth record created. The only people who would really care about this are the historians and that would be years after his death.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/w...h_cer.html

Quote:November 26, 2008
Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate

Does this Barack Obama birth certificate issue bug you because, although improbable, it's possible that he's not a natural born citizen, isn't eligible to be President under the Constitution, and this issue could be bigger than Watergate -- or any other "gate" in history?


Are you afraid that if you were even to raise the subject with your friends that they will think you wear a tinfoil hat, because Factcheck.org, the final arbiter of truth in the universe, said so?


Are you with the news media, and after spending so much money to get Barack Obama elected, you'd hate to ruin your investment?


Are you a talk radio host who thinks that if you say the burden of proof needed to demonstrate one is eligible to be Commander in Chief should be at least as high as, oh, say, the level to be eligible for Hawaiian homestead status (see 1.F. below), that you'd be forced to give equal time to someone who disagrees?


Are you a conservative, libertarian, or any conscientious constitutionalist from any ideological side of life, who's convinced something's not right, but you're afraid your reputation might be tarnished because, after all, this could be one big Saul-Alinsky-style set-up, and the joke would be on you?


Fear not! Joe the Farmer has prepared an outline showing that no matter how this issue is ultimately resolved, you have legitimate concerns, and that Barack Obama should, simply out of respect for the nation he was elected to lead, disclose the sealed vault copy of his birth certificate.


Given the circumstances, if Barack Obama respected this nation, he would prove it by the simplest and easiest of gestures - unless, of course, all this talk about change and hope was just a bunch of bull, and he's just "another politician." Here's the outline:


1. Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.


A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children).


B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.


C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.


D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.


E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.


F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."



2. Contrary to what you may have read, no document made available to the public, nor any statement by Hawaiian officials, evidences conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii.


A. Associated Press reported about a statement of Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Fukino, "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine."


B. That October 31, 2008 statement says that Dr. Fukino "ha[s] personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." That statement does not, however, verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, and as explained above, under Hawaiian policies and procedures it is quite possible that Hawaii may have a birth record of a person not born in Hawaii. Unlikely, but possible.


C. The document that the Obama campaign released to the public is a certified copy of Obama's birth record, which is not the best evidence since, even under Hawaiian law, the original vault copy is the better evidence. Presumably, the vault record would show whether his birth was registered by a hospital in Hawaii.


D. Without accusing anyone of any wrongdoing, we nevertheless know that some people have gone to great lengths, even in violation of laws, rules and procedures, to confer the many benefits of United States citizenship on themselves and their children. Given the structure of the Hawaiian law, the fact that a parent may register a birth, and the limited but inherent potential for human error within the system, it is possible that a parent of a child born out-of-state could have registered that birth to confer the benefits of U.S. citizenship, or simply to avoid bureaucratic hassles at that time or later in the child's life.


1. We don't know whether the standards of registration by the Department of Health were more or less stringent in 1961 (the year of Obama's birth) than they are today. However, especially with post-9/11 scrutiny, we do know that there have been instances of fraudulent registrations of foreign births as American births.


2. From a 2004 Department of Justice news release about multiple New Jersey vital statistics employees engaged in schemes to issue birth certificates to foreign-born individuals: "An individual who paid Anderson and her co-conspirators for the service of creating the false birth records could then go to Office of Vital Statistics to receive a birth certificate . . . As part of the investigation, federal agents executed a search warrant of the HCOVS on Feb. 18, 2004, which resulted in the seizure of hundreds of suspect Certificates of Live Birth which falsely indicated that the named individuals were born in Jersey City, when in fact, they were born outside the United States and were in the United States illegally . . . Bhutta purchased from Goswamy false birth certificates for himself and his three foreign-born children."


3. Even before 9/11, government officials acknowledged the "ease" of obtaining birth certificates fraudulently. From 1999 testimony by one Social Security Administration official: "Furthermore, the identity data contained in Social Security records are only as reliable as the evidence on which the data are based. The documents that a card applicant must present to establish age, identity, and citizenship, usually a birth certificate and immigration documents-are relatively easy to alter, counterfeit, or obtain fraudulently."


3. It has been reported that the Kenyan government has sealed Obama's records. If he were born in Kenya, as has been rumored even recently, the Kenyan government would certainly have many incentives to keep that undisclosed. Objectively, of course, those records may prove nothing. Obama's refusal to release records at many levels here in the United States, though, merely fuels speculation.


4. Obama has refused to disclose the vault copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate. This raises the question whether he himself has established that he is eligible to be President. To date, no state or federal election official, nor any government authority, has verified that he ever established conclusively that he meets the eligibility standard under the Constitution. If the burden of proof were on him, perhaps as it should be for the highest office of any individual in America, the more-than-dozen lawsuits challenging his eligibility would be unnecessary.


A. Had he disclosed his vault copy in the Berg v. Obama lawsuit (which was the first lawsuit filed on the question of his eligibility to be President), and it was established he was born in Hawaii, that would have constituted res judicata, and acted to stop other similar lawsuits being filed. Without res judicata (meaning, the matter is adjudged and settled conclusively) he or government officials will need to defend other lawsuits, and valuable court resources will be expended. Strategically from a legal standpoint, therefore, his refusal to disclose doesn't make sense. Weighing factors such as costs, resources and complexity of disclosing versus not disclosing, he must have reason of considerable downside in disclosing, or upside in not disclosing. There may be other reasons, but one could speculate that he hasn't disclosed because:


1. He was not born in Hawaii, and may not be eligible to be President;


2. He was born in Hawaii, but facts that may be derived from his vault copy birth certificate are inconsistent with the life story he has told (and sold);


3. He was born in Hawaii, and his refusal to provide the best evidence that he is a natural born citizen is a means by which to draw criticism of him in order to make him appear to be a "victim." This would energize his supporters. This would also make other charges about him seem suspect, including his concealment about ties to Bill Ayers and others of some infamy. Such a clever yet distasteful tactic would seem to be a Machiavelli- and Saul-Alinsky-style way to manipulate public opinion. But while this tactic may energize his supporters, it would convince those who believe him to be a manipulator that he's not only just that, but a real pro at it. This would indeed be the basest reason of all, and would have repercussions about his trustworthiness (both here and abroad), which Americans know, is a characteristic sorely lacking in its leaders.


B. His motion to dismiss the Berg case for lack of standing could be viewed as contemptuous of the Constitution. See, "Who Enforces the Constitution's Natural Born Citizen Clause?" Are we to expect yet another White House that hides behind lawyers, and expects Americans to swallow half-truths on a just-trust-me basis?


C. This issue poses the potential for a constitutional crisis unlike anything this country has seen. Disclosure at this stage, however, could even result in criminal sanctions. See, "Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down." Thus, he has motive not to disclose if he were ineligible.


The question not being asked by the holders of power, who dismiss this as a rightwing conspiracy, is what's the downside of disclosing? This is a legitimate issue of inquiry because Barack Obama has turned it into one. The growing number of people who demand an answer in conformance with the Constitution are doing their work; the people's watchdogs aren't.

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Steve ... you are Crazy Man !!!!!! 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao (Claude Rains)

And SUM, man, if this thing is real and this man Faked his way into the White House ... all these Millions of Voters and Delegates plus High Ranking Politicians will be absolutely Eviscerated In the Public Square at High Noon.

It will be a Free-For-All in Every City U.S.A. ....

All the people who blindly voted this man in for Vapid Reasons will NOW BE the Fooled and Hoodwinked and will riot in the streets.

It will be one nasty Historical Moment in Time for the United States and I am not looking forward to it.

The man will have to move out of the U.S. and be put under some form of Secret Service Protection and he still won't be safe.

And this is not like the standard old Conspiracy Theorist Blah Blah .... Obama could stop this TONIGHT if he would just Produce the Documents ... he is going too have to anyway .... why wait and put us thru an Inauguration and having to Impeach a Sitting President, PLUS sneak him out of the Country under Super Heavy Guard because he Fooled a lot of Folks that were counting on him Breaking Down Old and Ugly Lines and if he is a Hoser-Poser, these people are not going to take this sitting down.

People like Jesse "the No Body" Jackson, Al "My Hair is Really Don King's" Sharpton and about 1 Billion more angry and mad fools - - People that stood tall for this man and who are from all Races and Levels of Income and Politics.

We have Idiots, in ALL OF Europe, that actually Broke Down and Cried all night long from pure Joy and Happiness that "The World Now Has Its Savior in Barrack Obama" - - it is like the United States Elected the One World King or some really freaky weirdness - - all the World is putting their entire hopes in this One Man to Heal all Wounds from Centuries of WTF Ever they have drudged up in their Minds that Obama will Heal for them.

You really think "Those Kinds of Lunatic Idiots" are going to just 'Let This Go Unanswered' - - I would not bet MY LIFE on it.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE Barrack Obama if this thing is REAL !!!!!

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How it plays out no one knows.

BTW---- you don't want to forget the $800,000,000 people donated to this imposture.

Would not be the first time people embraced a charlatan.
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SumOfAllFears Wrote:[youtube]-4FqVRWgrNw&eurl[/youtube]

Trip,
Quote:Simply Remember that "One Does Not Actually have to Run for this Office to Obtain It" ... they just have to be in the Right Place, in the Right Position, at the Right Time and voila !!!!! we have a total Al Qaeda Lunatic Dictator in the Oval Office.

and has the money to buy the office.

Here is another Miscarriage of Justice. What the He!! is he hiding?

Obama certificate lawsuit dismissed
Judge Bert Ayabe says Net author Martin had no standing to get birth document

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/p...lnewsfront
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Tripster Wrote:.

There is lot more to this than meets the eye guyz .... if not, why isn't the Real and Original Birth Certificate displayed for at least the FBI and the SCOTUS to review.

And it would be the WORST thing we could do to use the Race Card in this situation and keep the man in the Oval Office simply because he is Black and REMEMBER ... he is ONLY HALF BLACK and that HALF is from a Legal Citizen of Kenya Africa.

I don't care if he is a Shape Shifting Blue/Green Martian, if he is a Legal U.S. Citizen, then let this alone, if not, do not give him quarter because of from where Half His Skin Color Comes ..... do you realize what you are inviting if we allow this SIMPLY because of Race ??? You would surely have 500 Taliban & Al Qaeda names on the Presidential Ballot in 2012.

Going down that road scares hell out of me.

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Trippy, you and Sum need to get over it. Seems you have a lot of time on your hands. Maybe a nice vacation to Alaska will help?
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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Bubby, It ain't over till he produces the F____ing documents. He could end this easily, but has spent $800,000 to fight it in court. Where there is smoke, there's fire. Maybe you should get onboard and demand Obama be honest with the American people. You have to produce your birth certificate anytime and every time you take a new job, so whats the big deal.... charlatan is too nice a word for him.
(This post was last modified: 11-29-2008 11:40 AM by SumOfAllFears.)
11-29-2008 11:38 AM
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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
You insist that through a two-year campaign and eleven years in politics that no one, not a single soul, found out that he has been lying about his citizenship. The immense amount of cooperation, excellently placed lies, and coordination to keep such a conspiracy afloat is ridiculous, not to mention impossible. Put your tinfoil hat away and complain about any of the other numerous things that deserve to be complained about (i.e. the handling of the economy, governmental ineptitude, bailouts, etc.). But if you want proof, here are some links.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bir...ficate.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...e_usa.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt...birth.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...2172.story
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...e-part-ii/
http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/...th-ce.html

And here's a scan of the front of the birth certificate (seal and signature are on the back, just like all the other Hawaiian birth certificates).
[Image: birth.jpg]

So either Barack Obama is basing his entire political career on the hopes that someone doesn't blow the whistle on an easily verifiable claim or he really was born in the United States. I think it's pretty obvious which one of these is the truth.
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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
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RobertN .... I happen to LOVE Alaska .... it is absolutely Beautiful up there ... all you know about it is what you’ve seen in your Grade School books or you would not be so foolish to think offering me a Vacation to Alaska to be an Insult .... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

And RobertN .... for some reason I like you and believe there is hope for you yet ... But 'SUM' is not me and will rip you a new hose .... where I am serious and use humor to express my passion ..... 'SUM' is Dead Serious about his beliefs .... you and I can toy with each other and its fun ... but don't use the same method on 'SUM' ... you won't be happily surprised.

And RobertN .... again you Posted Twice and Answered your very own Put Down ... learn the art of "Got Cha" before you play it man ... 01-wingedeagle .... it is like honing your Kung Fu skills .... it takes centuries to become as proficient as I am in it.

I never said Obama was Al Qaeda or Taliban and you know that RobertN - - I said we would be "setting a precedent that would allow 500 of these Murderers to put their names on the Presidential Ballot - - after all, if we allow Obama to do it, they sure as heck are going to try it too".

Bye Bye RobertN ..... 04-chairshot

Purina Power !!!!! Good too see you in here too !!!!!!

We just don't understand why the Man does not SHOW the world the Dadgumm Birth Certificate and Supporting Documents.

And are you just Uber-Lame .... we have had College Kid's PRINTING MONEY so perfect and exact off Super Color Printers, that the Federal Government had to Enact Special Legislation to try and stop this from Happening .... no more is there need for the Old Swiss Silversmith Master Engraver, perched over in the Corner with his Magnifier Spectacle over his eye, as he Slowly and Ever So Meticulously ENGRAVES the Perfect Master Plates for a $100 Dollar Bill .... all you need today is Kinko's man !!!

So don't tell me anything about fabricating an Entire Paper Existence if you have the most dripping inkling of the idea and only part of the needed smarts to achieve it ....

And if you are trying to tell me that the United States Government will NEVER BE FOOLED ... then you are a sad and confused individual ....

RobertN, offer this man a Vacation to the HOLE in the Ground where the World Trade Centers Once Stood (oh that's right Purina Power, the Lone Gunmen think George Bush Masterminded 9/11 so he could go Kill His Daddy's Arch Enemy, Little Saddamy Husseiny .... but we are the "True Conspiracy Theorist" because OUR NEW PRESIDENT WON'T SIMPLY OFFER UP HIS FREGGIN BIRTH CERTIFICATE !!! It makes one go off on Tangents when you HIDE THINGS from US) - -

I can get my hands on Forged Stamps of all Flavors and from All Countries Purina Power ... how hard would it be to Forge one that is nearly 50 Years Old and really Really REALLY Out of Date. Just 'Hollywood it a little wear into it', so it has those musty old time and much used Flaws in it and then WHO CARES - -

I know a Chief of Police that HAS A FAKE HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA that's gotten him thru almost 30 Years of Employment, in '2' Different Law Enforcement Agencies and probably nearly Thru over 300 Law Enforcement Training Classes/Schools (got him thru the State Police Academy !!!) he has so many Certificates, that he needs and Octagon Shaped Room to hang them all - - AND THOSE ARE REAL - - and yet, HE IS NO MASTERMIND .... LOL

You don't believe that $800,000,000.00 Tiny Dollars can buy you a Super Whopper With Double Cheese Please FAKE OUT ..... that is the same naivety that got Pearl Harbor Blown to Smithereens in 1941 !!!!!

I just want to Truth man .... why on Earth Don't YOU .... ??? (you would not be saying Shyte against this if it were George Bush on the Hot Seat - - you best check you Bias Barometer there Dude)

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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Trip, You know me too well. I have a real hard o(n)utlook for liars.

perunapower,

Factcheck, the chiago tribune, latimes, pleeeeezzzzze, know biased rags. Factcheck not so much but definatly in the tank for Obama. Its based in Chicago and has links to Obama.

If you follow the above videos, how could you not have a question about it. And it not like the Kennedy Assassination, there is a way to PROVE YOUR BIRTH IN 1961. I want the truth.... plain and simple. Americans deserve better.
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RE: Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen? Constititional Crisis Looms
Tripster Wrote:We just don't understand why the Man does not SHOW the world the Dadgumm Birth Certificate and Supporting Documents.

No, you're just pining for reason after reason to deflect from actual political debate. He's a Muslim. He has ties to domestic and international terrorists. He is an anti-American because of associations. He isn't a US citizen. Seriously, what's next? He's a zombie that's going to eat our brains? He's a Russian spy?

Quote:And are you just Uber-Lame .... we have had College Kid's PRINTING MONEY so perfect and exact off Super Color Printers, that the Federal Government had to Enact Special Legislation to try and stop this from Happening .... no more is there need for the Old Swiss Silversmith Master Engraver, perched over in the Corner with his Magnifier Spectacle over his eye, as he Slowly and Ever So Meticulously ENGRAVES the Perfect Master Plates for a $100 Dollar Bill .... all you need today is Kinko's man !!!

So don't tell me anything about fabricating an Entire Paper Existence if you have the most dripping inkling of the idea and only part of the needed smarts to achieve it ....

I never said it was impossible to forge a birth certificate. Obviously it's possible because people have done it and will do it in the future, but my point is that coordinating such a massive coverup that could be so easily unraveled is unrealistic.

Quote:And if you are trying to tell me that the United States Government will NEVER BE FOOLED ... then you are a sad and confused individual ....

Just think that that many people can't be conned into thinking that Barack Obama isn't a US citizen. I think it would have leaked out if it were true.

Quote:You don't believe that $800,000,000.00 Tiny Dollars can buy you a Super Whopper With Double Cheese Please FAKE OUT ..... that is the same naivety that got Pearl Harbor Blown to Smithereens in 1941 !!!!!

I just want to Truth man .... why on Earth Don't YOU .... ??? (you would not be saying Shyte against this if it were George Bush on the Hot Seat - - you best check you Bias Barometer there Dude).

I want the truth too, but in this case we already have it. This whole witch hunt for some incriminating evidence, some smoking gun, that will discredit Barack Obama is ridiculous. I would be saying the same damn thing if it were George Bush on the hot seat. You have no right to insult me that way. I am perfectly capable of putting my political beliefs aside and evaluating these moronic conspiracy theories. So no, I don't need to check any "bias barometer" because I'm being rational here. On the other hand, you and your mental midget friends that have been searching for some scrap of evidence to bombard Barack Obama are pathetic, not because he's a Democrat or our President-Elect, but because you abandon all intelligent thought for the sake of your blind conservatism. Get a grip on reality and put your biases aside. But what do I know, I'm just a crazy leftist loon.
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