Why do we demonize people on the other side. Both sides do it, but I don't understand it. I think any reasonable person knows McCain for what he is. A moderate with a proven track record of working with the other side. Barack is not a muslim terrorist. He's patriotic and loves his country. I, for one, can't wait for next Tuesday to get this over with.

Machiavelli Wrote:Why do we demonize people on the other side. Both sides do it, but I don't understand it. I think any reasonable person knows McCain for what he is. A moderate with a proven track record of working with the other side. Barack is not a muslim terrorist. He's patriotic and loves his country. I, for one, can't wait for next Tuesday to get this over with.

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I'm getting sick of all the BS.

Machiavelli Wrote:Why do we demonize people on the other side. Both sides do it, but I don't understand it. I think any reasonable person knows McCain for what he is. A moderate with a proven track record of working with the other side. Barack is not a muslim terrorist. He's patriotic and loves his country. I, for one, can't wait for next Tuesday to get this over with.

+1

cb4029 Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:Why do we demonize people on the other side. Both sides do it, but I don't understand it. I think any reasonable person knows McCain for what he is. A moderate with a proven track record of working with the other side. Barack is not a muslim terrorist. He's patriotic and loves his country. I, for one, can't wait for next Tuesday to get this over with.

+1

I'm getting sick of all the BS.

Ditto. I am sick of the fear, hate, and Us vs Them crap. McCain said it best, they are both good people with differences of opinion.

No, I believe they are both good people. Neither is either competent or qualified to be president, but they're good people.

Some factoids to summarize our choices (and why this year's election is a Libertarian's nightmare):

• Biden - coined the term "drug warrior", critical to notion of drug-related property seizure
• Palin - if not a Dominionist, then pretty radical religious right
• McCain - Nationalist above all else
• Obama - Admitted Communist (shared his toys) - almost certainly more leftist than most people are willing to believe
• Barr - Attempted to prohibit Wiccans from belonging to the US Military
  

OBama sat in a racist church for 20 years, has friends and associates that are very radical. One is only as good as the company they keep. Obama panders to folks like Louis Farrakahn, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Khalide. He had his troops dig up dirty on Joe the plummer a citizens who asked a valid question about Obama's tax policy. The fact that Obama attacked Joe the plummer in his stump speach relected just how low he is willing to go.

Great thread. I do believe that both candidates are good people and I think the endless attacks on Obama by McCain's camp is only hurting McCain and could cost him the election in the end. People are tired of hearing these attacks.

HuskiemobileMan Wrote:Great thread. I do believe that both candidates are good people and I think the endless attacks on Obama by McCain's camp is only hurting McCain and could cost him the election in the end. People are tired of hearing these attacks.

I think this is a major misconception. The front-runner risks more by going to personal attacks than he would likely gain, and the underdog doesn't really have much choice. There's nothing different about this election in that regard, and it is typical demagoguery of the front runner to defend with "look who's taking the low road".

I45owl Wrote:No, I believe they are both good people. Neither is either competent or qualified to be president, but they're good people.

Some factoids to summarize our choices (and why this year's election is a Libertarian's nightmare):

• Biden - coined the term "drug warrior", critical to notion of drug-related property seizure
• Palin - if not a Dominionist, then pretty radical religious right
• McCain - Nationalist above all else
• Obama - Admitted Communist (shared his toys) - almost certainly more leftist than most people are willing to believe
• Barr - Attempted to prohibit Wiccans from belonging to the US Military
  

I agree with you that both people are probably decent at heart. In fact, I'd probably enjoy having a beer more with Obama than McCain. My only problem with that scenario is that he'd probably take my beer and give everyone around me a sip and leave me with only the back wash.

BTW, you left out cynthia mckinney.....can't say I blame you.

Both of these gentlemen think nothing of putting peaceful people in a cold cage for victimless nonviolent crimes. Instead..They both prefer to treat us like little children that cant live our lives free without their silly ass little dictates...."We know whats best for you..Citizen!"

Both of these gentlemen support a continued worldwide military interventionist policy and have no stated plan on ending the madness of this policy. Both are short sighted warmongering nationalists.

Neither of these gentlemen have shown ANY leadership in addressing the bloated federal government and its parasitic blood sucking of the American citizen. I guess they both think its fine that many of us have almost 1/2 of our wages stolen from us as long as THEY get to say what it is wasted on.

Both of these fine gentlemen have lots of great ideas(none new) to approach issues that Americans have such as energy and the environment....Yet neither have a damn clue as to how in the HELL they plan on funding their little boondoggles and programs....Again they both are scared $hitless to tackle the damn ungodly waste of the federal government for fear of having to take LEADERSHIP!!!!..Both are scared little boys afraid someone might not pick them for the team.

Do I think these are good people...HELL NO!!
They both are just control freak gang members. Both have no problem using "the gun in the room" to FORCE their dictates upon you by stealing your wages and using them to further their lust for CONTROL of YOUR life.

Just a couple more useless politicians..doing what politicians do best....rewarding their friends and punishing their enemies.

I'm not fooled by these clowns one damn bit.

I45owl Wrote:No, I believe they are both good people. Neither is either competent or qualified to be president, but they're good people.

Some factoids to summarize our choices (and why this year's election is a Libertarian's nightmare):

• Biden - coined the term "drug warrior", critical to notion of drug-related property seizure
• Palin - if not a Dominionist, then pretty radical religious right
• McCain - Nationalist above all else
• Obama - Admitted Communist (shared his toys) - almost certainly more leftist than most people are willing to believe
• Barr - Attempted to prohibit Wiccans from belonging to the US Military
  

+1

Fo Shizzle Wrote:Both of these gentlemen think nothing of putting peaceful people in a cold cage for victimless nonviolent crimes. Instead..They both prefer to treat us like little children that cant live our lives free without their silly ass little dictates...."We know whats best for you..Citizen!"

Both of these gentlemen support a continued worldwide military interventionist policy and have no stated plan on ending the madness of this policy. Both are short sighted warmongering nationalists.

Neither of these gentlemen have shown ANY leadership in addressing the bloated federal government and its parasitic blood sucking of the American citizen. I guess they both think its fine that many of us have almost 1/2 of our wages stolen from us as long as THEY get to say what it is wasted on.

Both of these fine gentlemen have lots of great ideas(none new) to approach issues that Americans have such as energy and the environment....Yet neither have a damn clue as to how in the HELL they plan on funding their little boondoggles and programs....Again they both are scared $hitless to tackle the damn ungodly waste of the federal government for fear of having to take LEADERSHIP!!!!..Both are scared little boys afraid someone might not pick them for the team.

Do I think these are good people...HELL NO!!
They both are just control freak gang members. Both have no problem using "the gun in the room" to FORCE their dictates upon you by stealing your wages and using them to further their lust for CONTROL of YOUR life.

Just a couple more useless politicians..doing what politicians do best....rewarding their friends and punishing their enemies.

I'm not fooled by these clowns one damn bit.

+1

Machiavelli Wrote:Why do we demonize people on the other side. Both sides do it, but I don't understand it. I think any reasonable person knows McCain for what he is. A moderate with a proven track record of working with the other side. Barack is not a muslim terrorist. He's patriotic and loves his country. I, for one, can't wait for next Tuesday to get this over with.

I think they both suck. I agree that both believe in their agendas. However, neither is someone I would feel comfortable sitting down and having a beer with. I would much rather spend time with someone like Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul or even Bill Clinton.

Huckabee could be the future of the Republican party. The guy comes off really well.

Machiavelli Wrote:Huckabee could be the future of the Republican party. The guy comes off really well.

:lmfao:He should get Palin to be his running mate...A biblical literalists wet dream.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:Huckabee could be the future of the Republican party. The guy comes off really well.

:lmfao:He should get Palin to be his running mate...A biblical literalists wet dream.

The ticket straight from hell.

smn1256 Wrote:

I45owl Wrote:No, I believe they are both good people. Neither is either competent or qualified to be president, but they're good people.

Some factoids to summarize our choices (and why this year's election is a Libertarian's nightmare):

• Biden - coined the term "drug warrior", critical to notion of drug-related property seizure
• Palin - if not a Dominionist, then pretty radical religious right
• McCain - Nationalist above all else
• Obama - Admitted Communist (shared his toys) - almost certainly more leftist than most people are willing to believe
• Barr - Attempted to prohibit Wiccans from belonging to the US Military
  

I agree with you that both people are probably decent at heart. In fact, I'd probably enjoy having a beer more with Obama than McCain. My only problem with that scenario is that he'd probably take my beer and give everyone around me a sip and leave me with only the back wash.

I thought you would say, he would try and convert you into a terrorist.

cb4029 Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

I45owl Wrote:No, I believe they are both good people. Neither is either competent or qualified to be president, but they're good people.

Some factoids to summarize our choices (and why this year's election is a Libertarian's nightmare):

• Biden - coined the term "drug warrior", critical to notion of drug-related property seizure
• Palin - if not a Dominionist, then pretty radical religious right
• McCain - Nationalist above all else
• Obama - Admitted Communist (shared his toys) - almost certainly more leftist than most people are willing to believe
• Barr - Attempted to prohibit Wiccans from belonging to the US Military
  

I agree with you that both people are probably decent at heart. In fact, I'd probably enjoy having a beer more with Obama than McCain. My only problem with that scenario is that he'd probably take my beer and give everyone around me a sip and leave me with only the back wash.

I thought you would say, he would try and convert you into a terrorist.

Nah, he wouldn't do that - terrorists don't pay taxes.

Obama doesn't have the United States' best interest at heart. He has the UN's best interest at heart.

....and anyone that thinks Palin is religious right doesn't have a clue. She's NEVER governed from the religious right.

Rebel Wrote:....and anyone that thinks Palin is religious right doesn't have a clue. She's NEVER governed from the religious right.

No, but the McCain campaign mishandled her to the point that the story got traction. It's gong to be hard for her to overcome in the future.

Of course, if you read some of the "kiss and tell" stores that have been making the rounds, that may have been exactly the result that some of the McCain operatives wanted to achieve.

I really do believe that the McCain staff has mishandled this whole campaign to the extent that provokes worries about whether they can manage the country capably if elected. Neither that--nor my dislike for W--drives me to believe that there's any way Obama could be a good thing. Very, very discouraging.

Oh well, I've done fine with bad governments in the past. I should just consider myself fortunate in that I rely on myself instead of relying on my government to make me happy.