Jugnaut Wrote:

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

Sadly, some children need to be left behind.

No, I think we need to stop using terms like "behind." It's ironic, and not really coincidental, that the PC, diverse crowd in education then believes that there are some folks who are "behind". We as a society need to respect the guy who picks up trash or cleans the tables at Wendy's...if they're doing as good job of a job that can be done.

We also need educators to accept that some folks want "shop" and "home ec", and that those classes have their own rigor that requires learning and the jobs they lead to are important to society.

A large majority of educators push for college enrollment as a metric of success. That leads to stale curricula and disinterested, discouraged (look at the latin root for that word) students.

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Fo Shizzle Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Agread...evan a gramer Natzi mite mispell facist.

You know who else had bad grammar? Hitler.

I wonder if there is a correlation between having one testicle and bad grammar?

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

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tigertom Wrote:

RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:Another Bush legacy.

"Well ... there you go again" !

Who dat , say dat ??
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Just be glad you may live where you don't have to understand a "Foreign Language" that's suppose to sound like English. The NBA/NFL references are correct. "It is, what it is" ... pathetic !
Is there any doubt who the ones in the video will be voting for. "The unknowing being led by the unscrupulous" .

Well since this is a college sports website. How many on here would like to see their alma maters toughen up the academic requirements for admission, and enforce much stricter standards in the classroom?

Like, refusing to allow athletes to play unless they meet much stricter academic standards throughout their careers.

If we did this, the talent levels of the football and basketball teams would plummet. There is no doubt about that. Many of the athletes carrying these teams would have never sniffed the grounds of these institutions if we didn't let them in for their athletic ability.

So, would you trade success in the revenue sports for more academically qualified athletes?

Well...A few years back...I was at a Pirate Club function...and...I approached ECUs former AD...Dave Hart with my objection to us signing so many prop 48s....He told me to mind my damn business...If I wanted a winning team in NC...We would have to sign some kids with marginal academics.

He was correct...You can not field a football team and expect to compete without taking some kids that are on the borderline, unless you are one of the top college programs.

I've been an advocate of developing a new major in college....B.S. in Athletics. Give these kids the skills to be able to survive in a career in athletics. Money management, public relations, sportscasting, public speaking, sports management, agent representation,..ect. They generate millions of dollars to schools and usually leave totally unprepared for anything but playing sports. Give this kids the skills that as an athlete will enable them to make a living after the game.

Most of those skills you describe seem tailored to athletes who make it to the next level. Most college athletes do not. And my point was that most of them are so "academicaly challenged" that sports management, or "agent representation" (whatever that is) would be a pipe dream.

You can bet that if revenue sports-oriented universities created a curriculum like B.S. in athletics, it would be geared towards helping the stud athletes stay eligible and on the field. Nothing more.

D1 NCAA football and hoops is nothing more than a "minor league" for the pros. We might as well pay them a salary, and exempt them from classes. Its such a farce.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:I've been an advocate of developing a new major in college....B.S. in Athletics. Give these kids the skills to be able to survive in a career in athletics. Money management, public relations, sportscasting, public speaking, sports management, agent representation,..ect. They generate millions of dollars to schools and usually leave totally unprepared for anything but playing sports. Give this kids the skills that as an athlete will enable them to make a living after the game.

Two thoughts ...

1) Honestly, how many kids, at any school, are preparing for a career as a professional athlete? Even at the top football and basketball schools, the number of kids who actually make it are a small minority.

2) That being said, most any university can probably arrange a student-athlete's course load to address everything you've outlined here. A standard business degree would handle much of it, then, perhaps, an interdisciplinary minor to cover other specifics. No need to rewrite the course catalog, just take an active role in helping those folks prepare for their time in the spotlight.

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smn1256 Wrote:Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

My first comment was more poking fun at irony than diminishing his argument. I, in no way, think his argument is unreasonable or invalid. My problem started when when I pointed out the irony of him misspelling a elementary word in his crusade against the poor grammar of college graduates and I got denigrated as a lunatic leftist, a falsehood in itself, and a protecting poor grammar skills.

I'm confident in my use of the English language, but I reread my posts before I hit submit. I reread my emails to make sure they properly convey what I was thinking. It's not hard, nor is it time-consuming. But it's not an unforgivable sin to make a typo on a post. We've all done it. My problem was less with his typo and more with his immediate and inaccurate response to my light-hearted jab.

You do realize that "lighthearted" isn't a hyphenated word, right?

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Actually, I noticed 5 typos just in the original post.

NIU007 Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:Normally I don't point out another poster's misspelled words or lack of understanding of basic grammar and syntax, but you proved yourself too opportune too pass up. I abhor the painful misuse of the English language by any number of people, but the blatant lack of understanding of the English language is far wider than current college graduates. It's pathetic, in my opinion. It is the definition of irony when someone arguing against a group makes a blatant mistake that groups him with the individuals against which he's making his point.

Come dude, he mistyped one word. It's not like he's walking around saying "I ain't go no nothing," or "Let me axe you a question." He's making a very valid point and doing so in an articulate and well thought out manner. I'm sure he can spell athlete and if he's guilty of anything it's that he has enough confidence in what he writes that he doesn't feel the need to proof read it.

If one misspelled gets you all wound up I can only imagine the stress you'd feel if you were to hang around with the athletes who were given complete scholarships because they can catch a ball but can't put together two sentences without using profanity or somehow butchering the English language.

Actually, I noticed 5 typos just in the original post.

I'm sure you'd agree that a typo is no where near as bad as completely mangling the English language and not know you're doing it. I think this is the angle West was aiming at. Agree?

Fo Shizzle Wrote:+1....I got pissed off my city school board for reducing the grade standard from a C to a D to be able to participate in athletics at our HS. I had people all over town to thank me for my efforts and pledged to come to the SB meeting with me and protest. When I stood and spoke...I was the only damn one that came to object. Of course they totally ignored me and did what the hell they wanted to do. People really dont give a damn. The apathy is sickening...as is the government education system.

I need to bring up the case of Joe Savery, former pitcher and DH extraordinaire at Rice, who was spotted - on a trip to ECU no less - with a t-shirt that read something like "I judge you by the grammar you use".

(And, I suppose the thread would take another counter-productive turn if I were to point out the missed punctuation in your spelling of "don't" above.)

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West Is the Best Wrote:Sounds good by me. If students aren't prepared for college they should not be in the classroom. Athelete or not.

How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

I will try to bookmark this as an example of a (lame) one-liner gone horribly wrong. (And, I also take some pride in my use of grammar and spelling, even on message boards.)

I45owl Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:+1....I got pissed off my city school board for reducing the grade standard from a C to a D to be able to participate in athletics at our HS. I had people all over town to thank me for my efforts and pledged to come to the SB meeting with me and protest. When I stood and spoke...I was the only damn one that came to object. Of course they totally ignored me and did what the hell they wanted to do. People really dont give a damn. The apathy is sickening...as is the government education system.

I need to bring up the case of Joe Savery, former pitcher and DH extraordinaire at Rice, who was spotted - on a trip to ECU no less - with a t-shirt that read something like "I judge you by the grammar you use".

(And, I suppose the thread would take another counter-productive turn if I were to point out the missed punctuation in your spelling of "don't" above.)

perunapower Wrote:

West Is the Best Wrote:Sounds good by me. If students aren't prepared for college they should not be in the classroom. Athelete or not.

How is it you create a thread bashing poor grammatical skills, but misspell "athlete" with "athelete"?

I will try to bookmark this as an example of a (lame) one-liner gone horribly wrong. (And, I also take some pride in my use of grammar and spelling, even on message boards.)

I'm not going to overly critical of punctuation and typos on message boards. It's just nitpicking and usually is done to skirt an issue instead of addressing it. I agree that you should be try to communicate effectively for no other reason than a sense of pride in yourself.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:I'm not going to overly critical of punctuation and typos on message boards. It's just nitpicking and usually is done to skirt an issue instead of addressing it. I agree that you should be try to communicate effectively for no other reason than a sense of pride in yourself.

I agree about it being petty. Generally, the only time I do so is to either be an ass or try to be funny. I think our pony friend and myself both opted for the latter and both failed.