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What is the general feeling about this one? Unlike the feeling going into the Dayton game I don't think we will get blown out. I'm not saying we are going to win, but I think at the very least we may be able to keep this one a little closer.
10-07-2008 08:47 PM
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assuming this is a hope, which we all have ,what basis to you think this game could be could be closer. Butler who is 3-1 (but only 1-0 against D-1) is last in pass defense in the PFL and next to last in total defense. Maybe that is the crack in their armor, however our Camels are last in 6 of 12 team statistics including last in scoring and total offense. Butler on the other-hand is among the top half of the conference in half of a number of categories. Closer? possibly but we'll have to show a whole lot more than we have against the other D-1 teams we played. Can we? Nothings outside the realm of possibility. Dayton knew they had our game won going in, the only guard they had to face up to was complacency. They started clearing their bench in the middle of the 3rd qtr. It could have been worse but it was not necessary.For that I say Dayton showed class. Butler on the other hand has had somewhat of a surprise season to date. Their win over Drake was noted as somewhat of a surprise among PFL watchers. No one except Butler fans picked them to win, and some of those didn't. They may want to make a statement if they can to validate their being among the conference leaders in the current standings.
One thing I've learned about football, it bounces funny and we've had some good bounces in the air and on the ground. Maybe it'll reflect more on the scoreboard this week
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10-07-2008 09:31 PM
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I think we have a much better chance in this game and an looking forward to it. We may not win but it should be a closer and better game.

We still have a long way to go with Div I opponents. It will probably be several years before we have significant wins against many of the teams in the conference and other Div 1 teams.
10-07-2008 10:58 PM
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well I'm optimistically hoping not several years, but this year its the equivalent of asking a 1st yr jv team to beat a varsity team. I know this couldn't happen in hs and I don't think so in college, but its a growing/learning process. Though the scores don't indicate it, I do think we're ahead of the curve maybe just a little bit. I know I've read some of the comments of several posters on the unofficial PFL board and there are some veterans posting there who have been around awhile. Their comments have ranged at the start of the season from "Campbell doesn't belong in our conference now... we shouldn't have to play them" to some recent post that say our Camels may get up to speed in the PFL sooner than some may have originally thought. Of course these are just opinions and we know what they say about those.The important thing is that each week everyone on the team really needs to learn something. When you quit learning you quit progressing.
10-07-2008 11:23 PM
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I think we have a extremely small chance to pull off an upset. Too bad none of the students will be at the game this weekend.
10-08-2008 06:22 AM
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RE: Butler
Butler and Valpo are the games I've been anticipating for a possible CU win. Butler, however, seems to the the pleasant surprise of the PFL so far this season. I think it will be closer than our other PFL games to this point (closer than 0-52, 7-43, 0-42). Maybe in the neighborhood of BU 24 - CU 10. Hope the Camels can steal one, though.

Looking ahead at the remaining games and the possiblities of more wins, I'd rank them as follows:

1. vs Valpo - best chance for another win
2. vs Butler
3. @ Drake
4. vs. Davidson
5. @ Morehead - toughest remaining game for CU

We might finish 1-10...I can live with that, though!!

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10-08-2008 07:45 AM
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I think Butler may have had a few lucky bounces go their way against Drake. They were outgained by a significant margin and Drake was forced into field goals instead of touchdown despite several trips to the redzone. I think Butler is one of the few schools in the PFL that has played as weak of a schedule as us. The difference is this is not their first season and they have no excuse to be playing such a weak schedule. This is a program that for years struggled under the direction of a head coach that came into the season with a well below .500 career record at multiple schools. I'm not saying this is a loss or a win but I do see this being a much closer game and one that will not have either team out of it by halftime.
10-08-2008 07:57 AM
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Butler's 3-1, I don't care who they played they're winning , they got a quality win against a conference opponent and they're an established program. Yep, maybe it'll be closer, kind of hard for it not to be I think. The question is not winning or losing, closer or further; the question is improving or not improving and this game should be a very good barometer of that, and with that in mind it should tell us something.
"Drake was forced into field goals instead of touchdown despite several trips to the redzone." That sounds like an improving football team to me and they got the win to go with it! Certainly not something to knock their coach about i don't think.
10-08-2008 09:13 PM
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Before we got in the league Butler was considered the worst program in the league by far and honestly they are not much more ahead of us despite having an 80 year headstart with their program. If they do win I expect it to come down to the fourth quarter. Campbell's team is growing up even if the scoreboard isn't always indicated it. Listen to Coach Steele's press conference on the website and he will tell you exactly what we are all seeing. Butler has played an amazingly weak schedule. Last week's win was good for them but if Drake and Butler played 10 times Drake would win nine of those times. A win here is not out of the realm of possibility. Don't put this team on a pedestal like some of the other actual good teams in the league like San Diego and Dayton. The only wins Butler has besides the Drake game last week over the last two seasons are against lower level competition just like us. This is a winnable one and one of the few ones left on the schedule. I'm an optimist and I think this could be one we take, especially if the remaining fans without the students get behind the team this week.
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10-09-2008 08:54 AM
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Yes, the team is improving. Those 0-52, 7-43, and 0-42 games are helping CU improve. I'd love to see today's team go back in time and play BSC and Methodist again. I listened to (and watched) the Dayton broadcast last week. Their radio guys were very complimentary about the Camels and said to "remember these names because this team could be very good in a few years" on a couple of occasions.

Butler's results so far...

@ Albion (Mich) W 20-6
FRANKLIN L 23-31
@ Missouri S&T W 41-15 (formerly Missouri-Rolla, BU won 28-21 in OT last yr.)
DRAKE W 21-15

This week's Sagarin rankings of the 245 D-1s....

200 Dayton L 0-42
205 San Diego L 7-43
223 Jacksonville L 0-52
225 Morehead State
228 Butler
231 Davidson
233 Valparaiso
239 Marist (next year)
240 Drake
245 Campbell

Great parity in the league. We've played the upper echelon, with the exception of Morehead, and that is good for the "growing-up" process and for looking ahead to the remaining schedule.
10-09-2008 10:27 AM
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okay camels7778, this game is winnable. Yes you're a optimist and nothing wrong with that but sooner or later you got to deal with reality.
What did you expect Coach Steele to say? We're not improving?
Bottom line everyone is in the learning process and the learning process is not a winning process, not now.The Camels still have a long way to go from competing with D-1 teams, not as far as we once had but still a long way. Yes I would expect this game to be closer but if Butler is so bad, what happens if they too blow us out.
I think this is the year to play the games, not push for allot of individual accolades, and get as many people as much playing experience as possible. I'm not sure we're doing that. But we'll see the numbers at the end of the year. With a real season to evaluate there will be lots to discuss I'm sure..
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10-09-2008 05:56 PM
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I was wrong. We played as poorly as I've ever seen a football team play today. It was so bad I left the game early.
10-11-2008 01:28 PM
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tried to tell you camels7778, but you would have none of it. As I said in a previous post this game should tell us allot, a whole lot and it did. Just one thing though the whole team didn't play, so maybe you should characterize it a different way. When they're coached as a team, then they might play as a team.That's right, everyone should take responsibility in a loss like this. I thought the offense played better, but the defense just didn't show up.Yes the way you spoke about Butler and their coach, its sounded like there was some possibilities. There were none. In my earlier posts I have said this was a learning experience, but honestly I don't see how one learns from anything like this. It's time to quit throwing allcolades and warm fuzzies and throwing out and posting unrealistic expectations. Its time to quit playing the role and begin playing the game. Now I'm going to quit posting about CU football for now because frankly it hurts and I've got better things to do. Campbell's young football team is unfortunately a very long way from what some folks perceive it to be both individually and collectively.
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Camel76 Wrote:tried to tell you camels7778, but you would have none of it. As I said in a previous post this game should tell us allot, a whole lot and it did. Just one thing though the whole team didn't play, so maybe you should characterize it a different way. When they're coached as a team, then they might play as a team.That's right, everyone should take responsibility in a loss like this. I thought the offense played better, but the defense just didn't show up.Yes the way you spoke about Butler and their coach, its sounded like there was some possibilities. There were none. In my earlier posts I have said this was a learning experience, but honestly I don't see how one learns from anything like this. It's time to quit throwing allcolades and warm fuzzies and throwing out and posting unrealistic expectations. Its time to quit playing the role and begin playing the game. Now I'm going to quit posting about CU football for now because frankly it hurts and I've got better things to do. Campbell's young football team is unfortunately a very long way from what some folks perceive it to be both individually and collectively.

I would still categorize it as a bad team effort. When you only score seven points and give 56 and have breakdowns all over the field I would categorize it as a team loss. We got outcoached and certainly lacked the effort of the other team. That is the troubling part. All season long this team has been losing but has given great effort. I think this is the first home game I can remember being ashamed of the way we played.
10-13-2008 06:55 AM
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I though the effort on Saturday was pretty poor as well. The defense got their butts kicked up and down the field. The offense had one really good drive and that is about it. The defensive line got no penetration in the backfield and the Butler quarterback did not even get touched all day. That is the worst I have seen the defense look all year. I don't think Butler was all that good, we were just bad on Saturday. I don't mind losing but the effort was not there.

The offensive line did not even offer to block on Saturday. The starters nor the subs. #70 on the second team offensive line is the one of the biggest guys on the field and I could have blocked better with a blindfold on. He did not even offer to hit a sole on the defensive team on several series. When he finally did hit someone he hit the safety while the defensive tackle and the linebacker were hitting the quarterback. I would have to agree with Coach O's frustration on Saturday. None of them blocked at all.

If we are not going to block we need to but Villano and Snow on the bench. They are more pocket passers and are going to get hurt.

I thought there were two bright spots on Saturday. Our punter kicked the best he had all year. I don't know where one or two of those kicks came from but he did well.

Also I was impressed with Alex Munro at quarterback the last few series. He made a good pass or two and was able to get out of the pocket and pick up some positive yards. If the line is not going to block you have to have someone who can do this. Snow can do this better than Vilano but Munro has them both beat in that category. I actually think Vilano is the better passer out of them all but he is more of a pocket passer and if you have no protection he is not going to be very effective.

Basically it was like Coach Steele said. We got a good old fashion butt whippen on Saturday.
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10-13-2008 11:25 PM
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camelfan Wrote:I though the effort on Saturday was pretty poor as well. The defense got their butts kicked up and down the field. The offense had one really good drive and that is about it. The defensive line got no penetration in the backfield and the Butler quarterback did not even get touched all day. That is the worst I have seen the defense look all year. I don't think Butler was all that good, we were just bad on Saturday. I don't mind losing but the effort was not there.

The offensive line did not even offer to block on Saturday. The starters nor the subs. #70 on the second team offensive line is the one of the biggest guys on the field and I could have blocked better with a blindfold on. He did not even offer to hit a sole on the defensive team on several series. When he finally did hit someone he hit the safety while the defensive tackle and the linebacker were hitting the quarterback. I would have to agree with Coach O's frustration on Saturday. None of them blocked at all.

If we are not going to block we need to but Villano and Snow on the bench. They are more pocket passers and are going to get hurt.

I thought there were two bright spots on Saturday. Our punter kicked the best he had all year. I don't know where one or two of those kicks came from but he did well.

Also I was impressed with Alex Munro at quarterback the last few series. He made a good pass or two and was able to get out of the pocket and pick up some positive yards. If the line is not going to block you have to have someone who can do this. Snow can do this better than Vilano but Munro has them both beat in that category. I actually think Vilano is the better passer out of them all but he is more of a pocket passer and if you have no protection he is not going to be very effective.

Basically it was like Coach Steele said. We got a good old fashion butt whippen on Saturday.

I agree with the way the offensive line is it may be better to get a mobile quarterback back in the pocket. Vollono is a pocket passer, Snow is sort of combo quarterback that runs better than Vollono but doesn't throw as well. Munro is a mobile quarterback that may not completely understand the playbook yet but would do well when things begin to breakdown in front of him.
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