Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Thread Closed 
Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
Author Message
Jackson1011 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 7,862
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 170
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #1
Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
I've heard a few people talk about this at work, but how exactly is WVU portrayed during the film? From what I hear, WVU and Texas are basically the rascist/southern schools in the film. Is this correct? I'm suprised at this because Schwartzwalder is from WV

Jackson
10-07-2008 06:35 PM
Find all posts by this user
Advertisement


buckaineer Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,806
Joined: Jul 2007
I Root For: WV Mountaineers
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
Jackson1011 Wrote:I've heard a few people talk about this at work, but how exactly is WVU portrayed during the film? From what I hear, WVU and Texas are basically the rascist/southern schools in the film. Is this correct? I'm suprised at this because Schwartzwalder is from WV

Jackson

I haven't seen the film either, but you are saying because one SU coach was from WV then there couldn't be racism there? Not sure I follow your point.
10-07-2008 07:15 PM
Find all posts by this user
Jackson1011 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 7,862
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 170
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #3
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
buckaineer Wrote:
Jackson1011 Wrote:I've heard a few people talk about this at work, but how exactly is WVU portrayed during the film? From what I hear, WVU and Texas are basically the rascist/southern schools in the film. Is this correct? I'm suprised at this because Schwartzwalder is from WV

Jackson

I haven't seen the film either, but you are saying because one SU coach was from WV then there couldn't be racism there? Not sure I follow your point.


Well, the larger point I was going to make is the film basically made the entire WVU sequence up. WVU played @ Syracuse in 1959, 1961 and 1962. I was curious that if/when Davis faced rascism prior to the Texas game, why wasn't it portrayed accuratly? Can't have rascist at Pitt or Penn St? It stikes me as being odd to select West Virginia has the place to depict these "ficional events"(fiction in terms of games being held in WV, I have no doubt Davis faced these kind of issued everywhere)considering one of the heroes of the movie is from WV and a WVU alum.

Jackson
(This post was last modified: 10-07-2008 07:59 PM by Jackson1011.)
10-07-2008 07:53 PM
Find all posts by this user
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #4
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
My great grand uncle is the cop in the Hurricane who is portrayed as a huge racist. That part of the story was rather fictitious or so my mother claims. I have little reason to doubt her as our family has always had friends of all sorts of racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds despite being very much southern Italian until she married my father (Irish, Swedish, English.) I never knew the man as he died before I was even born so I couldn't tell you if she's right or wrong. But more importantly the point I'm trying to make is that much of this stuff is either completely made up or greatly embellished to add dramatic effect.
10-07-2008 08:00 PM
Find all posts by this user
TexanMark Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 25,676
Joined: Jul 2003
Reputation: 1331
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Post: #5
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
Bit I saw the movie

The WV scene was protrayed in WV..I heard from players of the 1959 team they never had anything like that happen to them. Basically the scene shows the WVU fans throwing bottles, cups, etc at the SU team. The 'eers came off as rednecks. I think Hollywood calls it "license".

There definitely was a bench clearing brawl versus Texas

Several errors I saw:

1. WVU game in 1959 was in Syracuse
2. UT was ranked #4 going into Cotton Bowl not #2 as they said
3. Penn State score was wrong
4. Ernie's girlfriend attended Syracuse not Cornell
5. They changed several characters real names
6. The team definitely didn't ride a bus from Syracuse to Dallas
7. Watch closely and scenes change from snow in background in September?, leaves never were turning colors, Ernies family was watching the Cotton Bowl game on their front porch in Upstate NY and they were dressed like it was summer.
8. Post game celebration by Cuse was depicted in a BBQ joint when it was in an Athletic Club.

I won't count using Ryan Field as an error since Archbold stadium doesn't exist anymore.

Ofcourse, I'm a huge fan and know the details...the average college fan wouldn't catch most of these.

It is a very good sports movie nonetheless and will keep you entertained.
10-07-2008 08:43 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #6
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
TexanMark Wrote:Bit I saw the movie
It's nice that you think of me when commenting on something for WVU fans. But it wasn't me you're supposed to be talking to. I haven't seen the film yet... 07-coffee3
10-08-2008 06:50 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Advertisement


TexanMark Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 25,676
Joined: Jul 2003
Reputation: 1331
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Post: #7
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
bitcruncher Wrote:
TexanMark Wrote:Bit I saw the movie
It's nice that you think of me when commenting on something for WVU fans. But it wasn't me you're supposed to be talking to. I haven't seen the film yet... 07-coffee3

Oops sorry Jackson...:ncaabbs:

Bit: take as my free, unsolicited review for you. 03-lmfao
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2008 08:39 AM by TexanMark.)
10-08-2008 07:54 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #8
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
TexanMark Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:
TexanMark Wrote:Bit I saw the movie
It's nice that you think of me when commenting on something for WVU fans. But it wasn't me you're supposed to be talking to. I haven't seen the film yet... 07-coffee3
Oops sorry Jackson...:ncaabbs:

Bit: take has my free, unsolicited review for you. 03-lmfao
You learn all this stuff when you hit puberty, but it seem to start going away once you hit adultery... 03-old
10-08-2008 08:36 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Jackson1011 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 7,862
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 170
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
-- Geesh....and people wonder why West Virginians have a chip on their shoulder...seems like we have to put up with this kind of thing all the time

Jackson


New movie 'based on true story' shows WVU fans in false, ugly light
By Matthew Thompson
Daily Mail staff

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- A movie about the first African-American to win college football's Heisman Trophy includes a dramatic scene from Morgantown, where fans hurl garbage and racial epithets at the player and his Syracuse teammates.

Opening Friday in theaters across the nation, "The Express" is a film about Ernie Davis, who won college football's most coveted award in 1961 and died of leukemia two years later. It stars Rob Brown as Davis and Dennis Quaid as Syracuse Coach Ben Schwartzwalder.

A review in the show business publication "Variety" says the movie's "most electrifying sequences portray Schwartzwalder's unbeaten 1959 Syracuse U. team playing West Virginia and Texas -- not exactly two bastions of racial tolerance -- with a level of racist vitriol pouring out of the stands that is a topical reminder of America's racial heart of darkness."

However, West Virginia and Syracuse did not play in Morgantown in 1959.

Davis and the Orangemen visited Mountaineer Field only once, on Oct. 22, 1960.

Dick Easterly, 69, of Tampa, Fla. was the Syracuse quarterback that day, when Davis rushed 14 times for 125 yards before a sparse crowd of 20,000.

Easterly saw "The Express" at a critics' preview last week in Tampa.

"I apologize to the people West Virginia because that did not happen," Easterly said. "I don't blame people in West Virginia for being disturbed. The scene is completely fictitious."

Now in his 62nd year of writing about WVU football, Mickey Furfari was in the press box, covering the game for the Morgantown Dominion-News.

"It's stupid," Furfari said of the scene. "It's pure fiction. The moviemakers should be absolutely ashamed.

"I am a strong believer in the First Amendment and of course it gives people the right to express themselves in truly idiotic and embarrassing ways. This is certainly an example."

Furfari noted Schwartzwalder was proud of his West Virginia roots. Schwartzwalder was born in Point Pleasant, and coached at Sistersville and Parkersburg high schools in the 1930s.

"Ben Schwartzwalder would be turning over in his grave about this," he said.

West Virginia's quarterback was Dale Evans, who's a retired high school and college coach now living in Spartanburg, S.C.

"It was 48 years ago, but something that ugly -- I would have remembered that," said Evans, 71. "I don't recall anything negative happening."

Evans, a native of Thomas in Tucker County, did recall one encounter with Davis in that 45-0 WVU loss.

Evans was hit late out of bounds and instinctively started to retaliate against the Syracuse player when Davis intervened.

"He grabbed my arm and said, "Don't lose your composure," Evans said. "Ernie was a very composed and an in-control football player."

Syracuse teammate Patrick Whelan joined Easterly at the preview last week.

Whelan, 71, of Safety Harbor, Fla., played center for the Orangemen.

"It's not important to the people who weren't there," Easterly told the St. Petersburg Times. "But we're sitting watching this thing, saying, 'Jeez, where did they get that from?'''

Clendenin High School's Donnie Young was being recruited by WVU Coach Gene Corum in 1960.

The next year, he enrolled at WVU, where he played linebacker and defensive guard.

"That's just awful," he said of the scene. "I was there in the early 1960s and there was simply nothing like that happening in Morgantown, either in athletics or otherwise.

"I've been involved in West Virginia football as a player, assistant coach and administrator for 43 years and I've never seen anything like that happen."

Cabell County extension agent and WSAZ-TV personality John Marra, 64, grew up in Morgantown and was a Morgantown High student in 1960.

"I would boycott the movie," Marra said. "I'm very embarrassed that a producer would put that type of scene in the movie."
10-08-2008 10:49 AM
Find all posts by this user
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #10
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
I'll follow their lead then, and boycott the movie on principle. If the director decided to pick on West Virginia because there are fewer people to p!ss off, he made a mistake. West Virginia is Hatfield country...
10-08-2008 01:18 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
PusherT Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,487
Joined: May 2005
Reputation: 26
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: Dewitt, New York
Post: #11
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
Yeah SU didn't play at Mountaineer Feild that season. It should be noted that Ben Schwartzwalder (Quiad) in the movie was a West Virginia Offensive Linemen/alumni and was a warhero from WV. I think Hollywood FUBARED that scene to make it more dramitic. Ben Schwartzwalder I think actually enjoyed probably playing WVU. This is also why WVU-SU play for the Ben Schwartzwalder trophy.
10-08-2008 01:38 PM
Find all posts by this user
Advertisement


3601 Offline
HoopDreams' Daddy
*

Posts: 26,908
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 371
I Root For: Omar Sneed
Location: Mempho
Post: #12
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
It's not right, but it happens all of the time in movies based on true stories. Not just in sports movies, but in all movies. Characters and events are made composite characters and composite events. Artistic license is taken in almost every movie about historical figures or events. There have been many lawsuits that resulted.

This is from Wikipedia about former middleweight champion of the world Joey Giardello who sued about a historcially inaccurate scene in the boxing biographical movie about Rubin "Hurricane" Carter starring Denzel Washington...


He later filed a federal lawsuit against Universal Pictures, Beacon Communications and Aloof Films, for unspecified damages, for its "thoroughly false depiction" of his bout with Rubin Carter in Norman Jewison's 1999 film The Hurricane. "In a key scene, the film shows a punch-drunk, blood-spattered Giardello being clearly beaten by Carter but winning a racially-tinged decision...[Giardello had] suffered only a small cut over the left eye caused by a butt in the 4th round and won what a majority at ringside thought was a clear decision over a listless Carter...." Giardello settled out-of-court for an undisclosed sum and Jewison's agreement to make a statement on the DVD version of the film that Giardello "no doubt" was a great fighter. [1]
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2008 10:39 PM by 3601.)
10-08-2008 10:38 PM
Find all posts by this user
esayem Offline
Hark The Sound!
*

Posts: 16,527
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 1240
I Root For: Olde Ironclad
Location: Tobacco Road
Post: #13
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
Typical hollywood sh!t
10-09-2008 12:53 AM
Find all posts by this user
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #14
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
It's the directors and their ego that causes these changes. A Hollywood director takes a perfectly good story that doesn't require any changes, and decides to put his 'stamp' on it, so that everybody knows it's one of his movies. The changes always diminish the story, and it's usually some fiction added to get across some social or political point the director wants to make. It's a bad practice. But that's Hollywood for you.

I really don't think they have any good practices, except for maybe (a BIG maybe) the special effects people. Frankly, I think all Hollywood habits are bad... 03-banghead
10-09-2008 06:32 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
KnightLight Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 27,664
Joined: Sep 2003
Reputation: 700
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
3601 Wrote:It's not right, but it happens all of the time in movies based on true stories. Not just in sports movies, but in all movies. Characters and events are made composite characters and composite events. Artistic license is taken in almost every movie about historical figures or events. There have been many lawsuits that resulted.

That is exactly what the folks did with "We Are Marshall" several years ago.

Many of those characters in that movie were composite characters derived some several actual people.

While most folks at/from Marshall enjoyed the movie...there are probably dozens of sites out there that show what was real/what was made up from that movie.

Here's one:
http://decorabilia.blogspot.com/2007/01/...e-are.html
10-09-2008 02:47 PM
Find all posts by this user
Jackson1011 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 7,862
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 170
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
3601 Wrote:It's not right, but it happens all of the time in movies based on true stories. Not just in sports movies, but in all movies. Characters and events are made composite characters and composite events. Artistic license is taken in almost every movie about historical figures or events. There have been many lawsuits that resulted.

This is from Wikipedia about former middleweight champion of the world Joey Giardello who sued about a historcially inaccurate scene in the boxing biographical movie about Rubin "Hurricane" Carter starring Denzel Washington...


He later filed a federal lawsuit against Universal Pictures, Beacon Communications and Aloof Films, for unspecified damages, for its "thoroughly false depiction" of his bout with Rubin Carter in Norman Jewison's 1999 film The Hurricane. "In a key scene, the film shows a punch-drunk, blood-spattered Giardello being clearly beaten by Carter but winning a racially-tinged decision...[Giardello had] suffered only a small cut over the left eye caused by a butt in the 4th round and won what a majority at ringside thought was a clear decision over a listless Carter...." Giardello settled out-of-court for an undisclosed sum and Jewison's agreement to make a statement on the DVD version of the film that Giardello "no doubt" was a great fighter. [1]


-- I understand...but what strikes me has being strange is that why can't the movie depict rascist incidents has they happened? If Davis faced social obstacles at Boston U or wherver SU played that you, why not depict it accuratly? The idea that they just randomly though West Virginia under the bus smacks of a similar sterotypes and bias that Davis triumphed over

Jackson
10-09-2008 10:07 PM
Find all posts by this user
Advertisement


TexanMark Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 25,676
Joined: Jul 2003
Reputation: 1331
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Post: #17
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
I heard Marvin Graves suggested they use WVU
10-10-2008 12:11 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #18
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
It wouldn't surprise me if Graves did suggest it. He didn't have much success in Morgantown, and hated to play here... 07-coffee3
10-10-2008 07:19 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
cuseroc Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 15,272
Joined: Mar 2005
Reputation: 546
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: Rochester/Sarasota

Donators
Post: #19
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
TexanMark Wrote:I heard Marvin Graves suggested they use WVU

03-lmfao
10-10-2008 09:11 AM
Find all posts by this user
Jackson1011 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 7,862
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 170
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #20
RE: Question for those who have seen the Ernie Davis film...
TexanMark Wrote:I heard Marvin Graves suggested they use WVU

-- The fact that the film has to invite obstacles could led one to believe that the obstacles faced by Davis were not so severe outside the Cotton Bowl. SU played @ pitt, penn st, boston u, navy and UCLA. If we can be historically accurate for a moment, where exactly did Ernie run into trouble in 1959 outside of Texas? I believe Pitt and Penn St had already integrated their rosters by then

Jackson
10-10-2008 10:59 AM
Find all posts by this user
Thread Closed 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.