Speaking of new threads, has anyone mentioned expansion lately?......sorry

zibby Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:Hey Zib. Change out your tampon. Sheesh.

FARK YOU. You don't jack shiat about the Bills, so STFU. How would you like it if I posted a bunch of garbage about Edsall leaving or Calhoun retiring?

Are you 12 or just a f*cking little crybaby? The way you're acting, you'd think you own the Bills. I sincerly hope they do move to Toronto now, just because it will make you miserable. More miserable, actually.

Murph1 Wrote:

zibby Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:Hey Zib. Change out your tampon. Sheesh.

FARK YOU. You don't jack shiat about the Bills, so STFU. How would you like it if I posted a bunch of garbage about Edsall leaving or Calhoun retiring?

Are you 12 or just a f*cking little crybaby? The way you're acting, you'd think you own the Bills. I sincerly hope they do move to Toronto now, just because it will make you miserable. More miserable, actually.

Who cares about the Bills? They'll finish in the Titans rear view mirror. Tennessee is the class of the AFC this year...

The debate between Biden and Palin last night was actually more interesting than the debate between McCain and Obama last week.

Crimsonelf Wrote:Does anyone have anything new. Please...

A couple of evenings ago, I was sitting out back on the deck like I have done so many times the past 5 months. Only this time, something strange happened.

My skin felt cooler, and then I got these little bumpy things on my skin. I then put on a flannel shirt, and it helped a little, but then I didn’t feel like sitting out back any longer. I also noticed it was darker outside for that time of night then it used to be.

What is happening??

I'm not a Bills fan but you guys need to lay off the Bills fans. It is a deeply emotional issue to them. If the Bills were ever to move away they would never see another NFL team. The Bills fans are very dedicated and much deserving to keep a franchise.

I'm not sure the NFL can legally place a franchise in Canada. Something about the CFL.

Come on! There's only one thing that needs to be said..... It's Buffalo!

I've never watched a dancing thing on TV since I was a kid and Dance Fever was popular and my Dad made me watch The Lawerence Welk Show. Occasionally I would see a little Soul Train.

Dude, that fresh feeling you have is autumn. Isn't it nice! I love it, especially when you're sittin' in the glider or rockin' chair on yer back porch lookin' out into the woods. The leaves are turning, and their startin' to drop, which affords you a good deep look into those woods. And what gets better is if you have a nice fire pit fer when it gets to dark to look off into them woods, but it keeps you warm... and the flames dance and almost cast a spell to keep your eyes hypnotized on the flames as they shift and change color. Now that is a great slice of life!

LMAO @ this thread still being alive!

Having gotten that out of my system, those are some great observations on the changing of the season. Since I live in the Land Of AZ, don't see it so much here, but it has gotten a bit cooler in the evenings, now that you mention it.

I hope the Bills don't move, but there was big talk when the NFL played in London last season of trying to put a team outside the US. So it could happen, hope it doesn't(at least not at Buff's expense). It's the damn relocating of teams which really turned me off on pro sports...

I was checking out the C-USA site after the UofL vs. Memphis game. They have a good thread going about when Palin visited ECU. There's a good picture of her at a local pizza joint, sporting an ECU jacket, with a big pitcher of beer on her table. That was great. Just a good ole' American gal. Of course it would have been better is she was wearing a UofL jacket.

TexanMark Wrote:I'm not a Bills fan but you guys need to lay off the Bills fans. It is a deeply emotional issue to them. If the Bills were ever to move away they would never see another NFL team. The Bills fans are very dedicated and much deserving to keep a franchise.

You're right Mark. Let's call a spade a spade though. Zibby overreacts to everything. Anger mangagement classes would be money well spent.

The city should buy the team to keep it around, just like Green Bay did with the Packers. Green Bay's a small town, even smaller than Buffalo, the population density is less, and the fan base is loyal as hell. If Buffalo has the same kind of loyalty from their fans, they should up the ante, and take the Packers' route.

It worked once. Who's to say it won't work again...

bitcruncher Wrote:The city should buy the team to keep it around, just like Green Bay did with the Packers. Green Bay's a small town, even smaller than Buffalo, the population density is less, and the fan base is loyal as hell. If Buffalo has the same kind of loyalty from their fans, they should up the ante, and take the Packers' route.

It worked once. Who's to say it won't work again...

They can't do the municipal ownership thing anymore. The NFL forbids it and the Packers are exempted.

The Bills will make 3.5x more revenue in one game in Toronto. That's the reason they are going there (ticket prices from $75-$200 for the regular season game). As for permanent relocation, I don't see it, at least not Toronto. The team has its largest season ticket base at least since the Super Bowl seasons (might be the largest base ever). Most of the games sold out before the season started (think the NE game on the final weekend was not yet sold out).

They don't care that companies in T.O. buy season tickets (doesn't hurt), they want them to buy up some suites and supposedly the corporations there are absolutely interested. Right around 2000, the Bills began a concerted effort to regionalize the franchise because of the eroding corporate base in Buffalo-Niagara Falls. Rochester, Syracuse, Erie have all had efforts towards pushing the Bills in those areas. Go to the Ralph and you will see sponsorships from companies well over one hour away from Buffalo. Toronto was the next logical step, especially since the Bills are often shown on the NFL affiliates in Canada (CTV and Rogers Sportsnet)

I went to the Bills-Cardinals game in Phoenix last week and the dome seats a little over 60,000. Bills fans made up at least 15,000 and we had 1/3rd of the upper deck. And there were plenty of Cards fans dressed as empty seats.

I'm not concerned about Toronto being a destination. The Canadians that make it to a game would rather come to Buffalo (about 10-15% at any game are from there). Talk to a Canadian at a Bills game, they want to go to Buffalo for the fall and winter for football and stay in town for the Argos for the summer.

Los Angeles is the destination I worry about.

mattsarz Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:The city should buy the team to keep it around, just like Green Bay did with the Packers. Green Bay's a small town, even smaller than Buffalo, the population density is less, and the fan base is loyal as hell. If Buffalo has the same kind of loyalty from their fans, they should up the ante, and take the Packers' route.

It worked once. Who's to say it won't work again...

They can't do the municipal ownership thing anymore. The NFL forbids it and the Packers are exempted.

Oh, I know. But they just made that rule so they could auction off franchises. The Packers grandfathered in from the dawn of time. So as the very first pro football franchise, of course they get an exemption. The NFL didn't dare do otherwise...

bitcruncher Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:The city should buy the team to keep it around, just like Green Bay did with the Packers. Green Bay's a small town, even smaller than Buffalo, the population density is less, and the fan base is loyal as hell. If Buffalo has the same kind of loyalty from their fans, they should up the ante, and take the Packers' route.

It worked once. Who's to say it won't work again...

They can't do the municipal ownership thing anymore. The NFL forbids it and the Packers are exempted.

Oh, I know. But they just made that rule so they could auction off franchises. The Packers grandfathered in from the dawn of time. So as the very first pro football franchise, of course they get an exemption. The NFL didn't dare do otherwise...

The other thing the NFL wants is an ownership group that has at least a 30% stake in a team. Pitt fans probably are aware of this, but the Rooneys are being forced to either get at least one of the family to own 30% of the team (and it has to be one of them who doesn't have casino ties in PA) or to sell a 30% stake in the team to someone outside the family. The team I believe is split among the Rooney family in roughly six 16.6% equal shares.

If the Rooney family owns it, I don't see why who owns how much is an issue. If there's ever a family squabble over the team, it won't matter who owns what.

Family fights are brutal... :coffee2:

bitcruncher Wrote:If the Rooney family owns it, I don't see why who owns how much is an issue. If there's ever a family squabble over the team, it won't matter who owns what.

Family fights are brutal... :coffee2:

I don't think its necessarily the family issue, though the NFL is making that part of it. The casino gambling angle is what the NFL really has its eye on.