EvilVodka1
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
bitcruncher Wrote:What people fail to realize now is that these teams from outside the BCS bubble are just waiting for any chance to pop it. Every non-BCS school is playing for more than just a game against BCS schools, and they are all out to prove that they can play with the big boys.
If you give 'em a chance to beat you, and you aren't ready, or come in half-steppin', you'll get your butt handed to ya. It's that simple...
right on the $$$
East Carolina looks pretty good though...I think they are the real deal
Other teams like BYU and Utah look overrated to me...BYU needed the refs to help out with a win over Washington
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09-08-2008 12:28 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
EvilVodka1 Wrote:bitcruncher Wrote:What people fail to realize now is that these teams from outside the BCS bubble are just waiting for any chance to pop it. Every non-BCS school is playing for more than just a game against BCS schools, and they are all out to prove that they can play with the big boys.
If you give 'em a chance to beat you, and you aren't ready, or come in half-steppin', you'll get your butt handed to ya. It's that simple...
right on the $$$
East Carolina looks pretty good though...I think they are the real deal
Other teams like BYU and Utah look overrated to me...BYU needed the refs to help out with a win over Washington
I think BYU has their entire offense from last year back this season, and they were pretty good. Their problem may be their defense, where they had some new starters come on. They may still end ip being pretty good. I am not sure about Utah, because no one knows how good or bad the Michigan win was.
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09-08-2008 01:31 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
EvilVodka1 Wrote:right on the $$$
East Carolina looks pretty good though...I think they are the real deal
Other teams like BYU and Utah look overrated to me...BYU needed the refs to help out with a win over Washington
ECU is definitely for real. They got a great D. BYU I have not seen. UTAH gave Michigan every chance to come back on them. I am not sure about UTAH or BYU. BYU barely beat a bad Washington team with the help of refs. You need great D to win big games. So far, ECU is the only one outside BCS that has a great D.
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CardinalJim
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
The losses to UK, Northwestern, Fresno State and Bowling Green have hurt the Big East. ECU is a great ball club and WVU just ran into a buzz saw. I'm not sure the Mountaineers could have won that game with their squad from last season. Some days it just isn't you day.
The Big East as a whole is down this season. That's OK though. We have earned national respect the last few years by beating up on the SEC, ACC and Big 12 Champs in BCS Bowls the last three years. If anything a close conference race this season will benefit the entire league for years to come. Parity is a great thing. We aren't the PAC10 with USC and 9 nobodies or the Big 11 with tOSU and 10 has beens. In the Big East anyone can win and that's a good thing.
CJ
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09-08-2008 01:54 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
CardinalJim Wrote:The losses to UK, Northwestern, Fresno State and Bowling Green have hurt the Big East. ECU is a great ball club and WVU just ran into a buzz saw. I'm not sure the Mountaineers could have won that game with their squad from last season. Some days it just isn't you day.
The Big East as a whole is down this season. That's OK though. We have earned national respect the last few years by beating up on the SEC, ACC and Big 12 Champs in BCS Bowls the last three years. If anything a close conference race this season will benefit the entire league for years to come. Parity is a great thing. We aren't the PAC10 with USC and 9 nobodies or the Big 11 with tOSU and 10 has beens. In the Big East anyone can win and that's a good thing.
CJ
Parity is not a great thing. The new ACC has been nothing but parity and look how horrible they've been.
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09-08-2008 02:15 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
CardinalJim Wrote:The losses to UK, Northwestern, Fresno State and Bowling Green have hurt the Big East. ECU is a great ball club and WVU just ran into a buzz saw. I'm not sure the Mountaineers could have won that game with their squad from last season. Some days it just isn't you day.
The Big East as a whole is down this season. That's OK though. We have earned national respect the last few years by beating up on the SEC, ACC and Big 12 Champs in BCS Bowls the last three years. If anything a close conference race this season will benefit the entire league for years to come. Parity is a great thing. We aren't the PAC10 with USC and 9 nobodies or the Big 11 with tOSU and 10 has beens. In the Big East anyone can win and that's a good thing.
CJ
Northwestern will go bowling this year (and I am not talking the Motor City Bowl either.).
Syracuse, on the other hand, is just bad. Syracuse is not getting anywhere under their current coach. They will have to make a change after this season.
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09-08-2008 02:25 PM |
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chess
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
Bearcats#1 Wrote:UC gets WACKED....
WVA gets hammered.....
USF needs OT to beat a team they beat last year by 40+ points...
Pitt not looking good at all......
Cuse gets USED to MAC team....
yea....this isn't BE's year.....at least after week 2.
Cincinnati lost to a national championship level team like Oklahoma.
WVU loses to a very good ECU team. We have to remember that WVU changed coaches this year (i.e. see Louisville). Consistent coaching is underrated and our teams should know.... Anytime a Tennessee, Michigan, Penn State, etc... comes calling, very few of us can win.
UCF is a good team that will win many games this year. USF beat a good team.
I thought Buffalo was going to beat Pitt after I saw the early score. I thought, "Holy cow, Gill is for real this year." Pitt eventually won. I am sorry to say, Pitt looks like a typical Wanney team. I don't understand how his teams struggle. He seems to have the teams together.
Syracuse is bad. Are they the "one of the worst teams"? I don't think so. I think they are like NC State... They can beat you but it is unlikely this year.
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09-08-2008 02:32 PM |
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cuseroc
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
chess Wrote:Bearcats#1 Wrote:UC gets WACKED....
WVA gets hammered.....
USF needs OT to beat a team they beat last year by 40+ points...
Pitt not looking good at all......
Cuse gets USED to MAC team....
yea....this isn't BE's year.....at least after week 2.
Cincinnati lost to a national championship level team like Oklahoma.
WVU loses to a very good ECU team. We have to remember that WVU changed coaches this year (i.e. see Louisville). Consistent coaching is underrated and our teams should know.... Anytime a Tennessee, Michigan, Penn State, etc... comes calling, very few of us can win.
UCF is a good team that will win many games this year. USF beat a good team.
I thought Buffalo was going to beat Pitt after I saw the early score. I thought, "Holy cow, Gill is for real this year." Pitt eventually won. I am sorry to say, Pitt looks like a typical Wanney team. I don't understand how his teams struggle. He seems to have the teams together.
Syracuse is bad. Are they the "one of the worst teams"? I don't think so. I think they are like NC State... They can beat you but it is unlikely this year.
Chess, you make some very valid points until you get to Syracuse. This team is truely one of the worst programs out there right now. This program had not lost to a Mac school from like 30 years and then last year we lose to Miami O, and this year we lose to Akron, who is not a good team. We lost to them in the Dome. We may even lose to Northeastern later in the season, and I hate to even think about what Penn St is going to do to us this weekend.
The silver lining to all of this is that Greg Robinson will not be the head coach when the season is over, and if we do lose to Northeastern, he may not even last thru the season. I am hoping that we lose. The sooner he is gone, the quicker we can move on.
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09-08-2008 03:17 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
No doubt. You guys have to get a new coach (Lay off ours! LOL), and the quicker that happens, the quicker the pain stops. Trust me - we know all about it.
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09-08-2008 03:45 PM |
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CardinalJim
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
MichaelSavage Wrote:Parity is not a great thing. The new ACC has been nothing but parity and look how horrible they've been.
I agree a history of parity is not a great thing; One season is. If Big East programs can show recruits that ANY team in the conference has a realistic chance to win the title; The whole conference rises.
The hopes of the ACC rest on FSU and Miami returning to former glory. FSU is facing sanctions again and we saw Saturday night that Miami is along way from returning to championship level. Couple those with Clemson falling on its face again and Virginia Tech being well Virginia Tech. Things don't look to bright for the ACC. Unfortunately I can't say things look much better for our conference.
CJ
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09-08-2008 03:52 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
I think in the BE, USF, Cincy, Uconn and Rutgers will continue to get better as long as they dont lose coachers.
West Virginia, Louisville are question marks with current coaches, we dont know if they are the ones to continue to improve or not.
pitt and cuse need new coaches period
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09-08-2008 04:27 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
cuseroc Wrote:chess Wrote:Syracuse is bad. Are they the "one of the worst teams"? I don't think so. I think they are like NC State... They can beat you but it is unlikely this year.
Chess, you make some very valid points until you get to Syracuse. This team is truely one of the worst programs out there right now. This program had not lost to a Mac school from like 30 years and then last year we lose to Miami O, and this year we lose to Akron, who is not a good team. We lost to them in the Dome. We may even lose to Northeastern later in the season, and I hate to even think about what Penn St is going to do to us this weekend.
The silver lining to all of this is that Greg Robinson will not be the head coach when the season is over, and if we do lose to Northeastern, he may not even last thru the season. I am hoping that we lose. The sooner he is gone, the quicker we can move on.
I sat through 2 seasons with John Thompson as coach of ECU. My version of "bad" is "historically bad" where the teams are as unprepared as a team can be.
Syracuse is "bad" and they may not win a game this year. That said, they are scoring points. They have some defense.
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
Yes, it is early..... but, yes, it is ugly, really ugly!
WINS
Buffalo (our signature win... ugh!!)
UCF
Temple
EKU
UT Martin
TN Tech
Hofstra
Villanova
LOSES
Akron
Bowling Green
Kentucky
Northwestern
Fresno St.
ECU
Oklahoma (not a bad loss, other than the huge spread)
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09-08-2008 07:37 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
It doesnt look pretty so far, but we will see as seasom goes by
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09-08-2008 08:04 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
Buffalo is not better than UCF.
USF will get a "signature" win against KU on Fri.
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09-08-2008 09:56 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
Mike,
Thanks for putting it into perspective. Folks that ain't a who's who of college football powers there. Aside from the UCF win and the OU/ECU losses, the rest are BCS bottom feeders and worse. Spin it anyway you like but the Big East is plain awful this year.
CJ
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09-09-2008 06:25 AM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
The season is early yet, folks. I wouldn't be so quick to bail...
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09-09-2008 06:59 AM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
CardinalJim Wrote:The losses to UK, Northwestern, Fresno State and Bowling Green have hurt the Big East. ECU is a great ball club and WVU just ran into a buzz saw. I'm not sure the Mountaineers could have won that game with their squad from last season. Some days it just isn't you day.
The Big East as a whole is down this season. That's OK though. We have earned national respect the last few years by beating up on the SEC, ACC and Big 12 Champs in BCS Bowls the last three years. If anything a close conference race this season will benefit the entire league for years to come. Parity is a great thing. We aren't the PAC10 with USC and 9 nobodies or the Big 11 with tOSU and 10 has beens. In the Big East anyone can win and that's a good thing.
CJ
except fror the cuse with grob and dr. gross in place.
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09-10-2008 06:50 PM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
Big East drops to 8-8 non-conference with the Rutgers loss to UNC. With Penn State, Kansas, Virginia the competition this weekend the Big East in danger of being sub .500 non-conference after the first three weeks. Big East might not fill all its bowls at this point. Rutgers and Syracuse don't look like they are heading toward bowls at this point. West Virginia, South Florida are likely losses for both those schools.
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09-12-2008 12:04 AM |
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RE: BE not looking so hot....
As much as I'd like to see Syracuse beat Penn State, I can't see it happening in the foreseeable future. But Kansas and Virginia are very doable. The only question remaining is will USF and UConn do 'em?...
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09-12-2008 07:14 AM |
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