mattsarz Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:All that is required to get an automatic NCAA basketball bid for D1AA is for six of the new conference's teams must have played basketball togethe in D1AA for at least five years. UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville and South Florida (that's eight schools) will have met that requirement in 2010. So we will not need any of the Catholic basketball schools for an automatic bid. I just wanted to clear rhw air on that!

The football schools would not get an auto bid right away if they left the Big East. The MWC had seven schools who had played sports together for over 20 years (UNLV was the only school who was not a long term WAC member who left for the MWC) and they were not granted an automatic bid until their third year of existence as a new conference. The MWC was given a waiver after those 1st two seasons so they wouldn't have to wait until season #5 for the auto-bid.

That's true about the MWC's difficulties. But the MWC didn't have 7 teams that made trips to the NCAA tourney on a fairly regular basis either. They had 7 teams, but all 7 didn't make the tourney each year. South Florida is the only team among The BEast football schools not to dance.

Murph1 Wrote:Honestly, an auto-bid is only relevant if you're concerned that your new league won't get anyone in the tournament.

Do you think a league with UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc. wasn't going to get a team(s) to go dancing?

With that said, even the other half of the Big East shouldn't worry all that much with the likes of G-Town, Nova, etc.

Exactly!! CUSA and the Great Midwest Conference never had automatic bids in the beginning, but they both always had at least 3 in the dance.

My mistake. The MWC played one full season without an auto-bid (1999-2000). It was rewarded an auto bid for 2000-2001 as that was the 1st year of the "first round" game between the last two seeded teams in the field. For that season without an autobid, the MWC placed both teams that shared the regular season crown (Utah, UNLV) and UNLV won the conference tournament. The WAC was also without an autobid for a year or two because they schools that were left had not been together long enough because they were a hodgepodge of schools that had come from other places.

Utah, New Mexico, BYU and/or UNLV were making fairly regular trips. But I would understand if any collection of schools that had an auto-bid would be concerned about being left out after deciding to leave that benefit behind.

The football schools would probably be fine without an auto bid for whatever period of time they had if they ever decided to split off. And just to make sure no one got screwed at the end of the year (or maybe to protect those top teams), I wouldn't even bother with a conference tournament without an auto-bid. If my #5 seed wins the postseason conference tournament and isn't guaranteed to make the NCAAs, why bother having one?

Wilkie01 Wrote:If BC had not left the split would have happen in 2003.

If BC and a few other schools hadn't been caught going behind the I-AA and non-FB schools' back in a covert attempt to wrestle away the conference name and NCAA revenues, there's a fair chance that a two more I-A's would have been selected ahead of Marquete and DePaul. Instead, getting caught with its hand in the money jar eroded the trust that was necessary to be a 10 team football league.

firmbizzle Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:Honestly, an auto-bid is only relevant if you're concerned that your new league won't get anyone in the tournament.

Do you think a league with UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc. wasn't going to get a team(s) to go dancing?

With that said, even the other half of the Big East shouldn't worry all that much with the likes of G-Town, Nova, etc.

Exactly!! CUSA and the Great Midwest Conference never had automatic bids in the beginning, but they both always had at least 3 in the dance.

Actually C-USA DID have an automatic bid, the Great Midwest never had one. C-USA inherited the Metro Conference's automatic bid since the Great Midwest and the Metro Conference merged.

DFW HOYA Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:If BC had not left the split would have happen in 2003.

If BC and a few other schools hadn't been caught going behind the I-AA and non-FB schools' back in a covert attempt to wrestle away the conference name and NCAA revenues, there's a fair chance that a two more I-A's would have been selected ahead of Marquete and DePaul. Instead, getting caught with its hand in the money jar eroded the trust that was necessary to be a 10 team football league.

The fact that they would have had to go behind someone's back in order to build up the football conference is a major issue in and of itself. And the fact that neither side trusts each other anymore means that, eventually, there will be a split. There was never a chance of two Division I-A football schools being selected ahead of Marquette and Depaul. If there were a chance do you really believe that Boston College and the other schools would have bothered to try and wrest away the name as you claim? If there were a chance of two more Division I-A football teams being added then the schools would have just let those schools be added and then the football side would have majority voting. But the fact that they tried to get the name and facilitate a split says that the non-football schools were dead set on adding two more basketball schools (Marquette and Depaul being the eventual picks). And the fact that they negotiated an eventual split also says that neither side truly trusts each other.

Murph1 Wrote:Honestly, an auto-bid is only relevant if you're concerned that your new league won't get anyone in the tournament.

Do you think a league with UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc. wasn't going to get a team(s) to go dancing?

With that said, even the other half of the Big East shouldn't worry all that much with the likes of G-Town, Nova, etc.

Murph, please stop posting now. Your making too much sence.

Is it a case of Murphy's Law?

Quote:Is it a case of Murphy's Law?

Yes it is.

All hail my law! :ncaabbs:

:kneelsucka:

What it means is... you're a disaster waiting to happen...

firmbizzle Wrote:

animus Wrote:Interesting tidbid and theries on this. Only time will tell what is going to happen. I wished it could just happen now so we can think more about sports than these topics. But eff it.

The topic will never end. The Big East schools will split, football will add one more, and whoever gets left out will start more expansion threads.

It is a microcosm of human socio-economic history : haves and have-nots. There is no "fairness" - only survival of the fittest and dirty, underhanded, greedy, hypocritical corruption is a viable element.

To sum it up... There is no gravity... Earth sucks!

mattsarz Wrote:Andy Katz's recent blog

Quote:Word from a Louisville official is that athletic director Tom Jurich won't pursue the Big East commissioner's job when Mike Tranghese retires in 2009. [Santa Clara HC Kerry] Keating would love to see the Big East conference go after his father, Larry Keating, the Kansas senior associate athletic director. Keating was once the athletic director at Seton Hall.

-- Larry Keating wouldn't be the worst choice in the world, but I doubt he would be a top of the list candidate

http://kuathletics.cstv.com/genrel/keating_larry00.html

His resume looks a lot better then Dan Gavitt's

Jackson

Does Jurich make more money at a STABLE institution that is willing to take positive PROACTIVE steps to grow its programs rather than sit back and be REACTIVE after being BLIND SIDED. Isn't he in a better position where progress is made answering to one president rather than in a position where the last guy was always chasing his tale answering to 16 presidents bowing to the wishes of the holier than thou ND.

:badger: :dance: :kneelsucka: :dirtyvegas:

panite Wrote:Does Jurich make more money at a STABLE institution that is willing to take positive PROACTIVE steps to grow its programs rather than sit back and be REACTIVE after being BLIND SIDED. Isn't he in a better position where progress is made answering to one president rather than in a position where the last guy was always chasing his tale answering to 16 presidents bowing to the wishes of the holier than thou ND.

:badger: :dance: :kneelsucka: :dirtyvegas:

I can easily see Jurich eventually ended up as the SEC or ACC Commish one day...after spending 5 years or so as the new Big East (whatever name the new conf will have) Football Conference Commish.

He is THAT good and the other conferences know that. (Hence...FSU and others trying to steal him away).

KnightLight Wrote:

panite Wrote:Does Jurich make more money at a STABLE institution that is willing to take positive PROACTIVE steps to grow its programs rather than sit back and be REACTIVE after being BLIND SIDED. Isn't he in a better position where progress is made answering to one president rather than in a position where the last guy was always chasing his tale answering to 16 presidents bowing to the wishes of the holier than thou ND.

:badger: :dance: :kneelsucka: :dirtyvegas:

I can easily see Jurich eventually ended up as the SEC or ACC Commish one day...after spending 5 years or so as the new Big East (whatever name the new conf will have) Football Conference Commish.

He is THAT good and the other conferences know that. (Hence...FSU and others trying to steal him away).

If he's that good then he will stay with the Big East. You act like the Big East is a feeder conference.

CatsClaw Wrote:If he's that good then he will stay with the Big East. You act like the Big East is a feeder conference.

Umm...2003? The Big East was a feeder, we fed the ACC. And the media and the message boards' perception that there is going to be some sort of split with the need to bring in current C-USA schools to fill out the conference will continue to give the uninformed the perception that we are a feeder.

mattsarz Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:If he's that good then he will stay with the Big East. You act like the Big East is a feeder conference.

Umm...2003? The Big East was a feeder, we fed the ACC. And the media and the message boards' perception that there is going to be some sort of split with the need to bring in current C-USA schools to fill out the conference will continue to give the uninformed the perception that we are a feeder.

I remember 2003. As I said in another thread, I don't consider that "feeding" the ACC as much as a couple of schools panicking and running to the ACC because they thought that Miami leaving would cost the Big East the BCS. The Boston College AD was asked shortly after the Big East kept its BCS bid if Boston College would have done anything different if they knew the Big East had kept their BCS bid and he basically said it would have made a major difference. Do you really think that if the Big East knew they were keeping their BCS bid and getting the television contract that we got, that Syracuse and Boston College would have thought about running to the ACC? I doubt it. The only school that was hellbent on going to the ACC was Virginia Tech. Boston College, Miami and Syracuse were looking at survival. That's why I don't consider the Big East as a "feeder" for the ACC. If the Big East were a feeder conference the ACC move wouldn't have been called a "raid". A raid by definition is an assault or a sudden attack or stealing something. A minor league team is a feeder for a baseball team, they don't call it a raid when a player is called up.

KnightLight Wrote:That's because UL and the Football Members are saving Jurich's name to be nominated for commish of their new all-sports BCS Conference.

Current Big East Football Members will help the current Big East Hoop members by selecting a "basketball guy"...that will stay with the Catholic schools after the split.

Dang...how did I know that?