We'll find out soon enough...

We sure will

C'mon ArmyMike and Wilkie, You guys know u wanna re-new the rivalry with Southern Miss.....

As for me being a Southern Miss fan 4 OOC games in C-USA...

1. Louisville a great game and a great home and home rivalry
2. Ole Miss and Mississippi State rotate yearly home and home game
3. More games with Top Non BCS programs like Boise, Utah and Toledo
4. And more games with the Top BCS programs the , USC's , Ohio States and Florida's of the world.

If the Big East were to split the four school I would add are Memphis, East Carolina, Central Florida and Southern Miss.

With Ohio State being my principle team I root for, I would want…

1. I-AA or lower level I-A team. I would prefer never to play a I-AA or FCS (whatever you want to call them), but we already joined the trend last year, so I guess one opening game is ok.
2. Non-BCS or lower level BCS team
3. Midlevel BCS team or upper level non BCS team
4. Elite BCS team (someone who is likely to be toward the top of their conference).

Obviously some of these are hard to judge years in advance, and we’ll probably wind up some years playing 2 or 3 very good out of conference teams and some years not playing any, but this is ideal.

Now that payouts are rising so much, I would prefer never to play an another Ohio team in the regular season. I like to cheer for Ohio teams and it’s not as fun winning against other in-state teams (or worse, at some point lose to them, which is bound to happen eventually). I remember people booing when Bowling Green came out into the horseshoe. The team came out carrying an Ohio flag with them though, which made me not want to cheer against them (not that there was is any doubt in my mind who I wanted to win the game).

1) 1-AA game at home
2) Miami every year on a home and home basis
3) Another BCS team on a home and home basis, rotating from among ACC, SEC, B12, and B10 teams. With the majority of these being FSU and UF.
4) An FAU or FIU type team on a 2-1 basis.
5) A decent non bcs team, probably a CUSA type team, preferably on a 2-1, but more likely a 1-1.

goodknightfl Wrote:For ucf it would be FSU, UF, UM, and USF... its murders row.. but you cant beat em if you don't play em.

Well, that's one way to get your program on the map. If you can get through that schedule, you should breeze through CUSA. I guess you don't want any easy tune up games. There's 2 schools of thought for a non bcs program. Do it the way you suggest (and get big time national pub if you win) or do it the Hawaii way, play a cupcake schedule into a bcs bid and get blown out, and probably have no more respect than when you started.

ohio1317 Wrote:1. I-AA or lower level I-A team. I would prefer never to play a I-AA or FCS (whatever you want to call them), but we already joined the trend last year, so I guess one opening game is ok.
2. Non-BCS or lower level BCS team
3. Midlevel BCS team or upper level non BCS team
4. Elite BCS team (someone who is likely to be toward the top of their conference).

Isn't that how OSU schedules already? "The Buckeye Golden Rule: If you beat us, or even come close, we'll never play you again."
CJ

I prefer a tougher schedule. Over time, as a team proves its mettle, tougher competition brings out the best play in a team, if the team is prepared and their state of readiness is maintained. That responsibility falls on the coaching staff. But a well-coached team should be able to handle any schedule.

CardinalJim Wrote:

ohio1317 Wrote:1. I-AA or lower level I-A team. I would prefer never to play a I-AA or FCS (whatever you want to call them), but we already joined the trend last year, so I guess one opening game is ok.
2. Non-BCS or lower level BCS team
3. Midlevel BCS team or upper level non BCS team
4. Elite BCS team (someone who is likely to be toward the top of their conference).

Isn't that how OSU schedules already? "The Buckeye Golden Rule: If you beat us, or even come close, we'll never play you again."
CJ

The first and last part of that of list fits their current scheduling practices. The 2nd one does for the most part (although I'd like the general quality of the 2nd team to be better than it has been). The third one definitely doesn't though.

OSU usually plays one elite opponent (scheduling early negates this sometimes), and three 1-AA or MAC level competition opponents. I won't complain too much if there is no change in the first two games, but the third (or whatever game it ends up being) should not be to another MAC team. We should at least be playing mid level BCS teams in that game (or the best of the non BCS).

As for the OSU "golden rule," I don't see where you are coming from. OSU tries to schedule one elite out of conference school every year, and will undoubtedly lose several of them. The only school I can think of that we might being trying to avoid is Cincinnati and that just because it's not in OSU's interest to create an instate rivalry.

4 high school teams

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ohio1317 Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

ohio1317 Wrote:1. I-AA or lower level I-A team. I would prefer never to play a I-AA or FCS (whatever you want to call them), but we already joined the trend last year, so I guess one opening game is ok.
2. Non-BCS or lower level BCS team
3. Midlevel BCS team or upper level non BCS team
4. Elite BCS team (someone who is likely to be toward the top of their conference).

Isn't that how OSU schedules already? "The Buckeye Golden Rule: If you beat us, or even come close, we'll never play you again."
CJ

The first and last part of that of list fits their current scheduling practices. The 2nd one does for the most part (although I'd like the general quality of the 2nd team to be better than it has been). The third one definitely doesn't though.

OSU usually plays one elite opponent (scheduling early negates this sometimes), and three 1-AA or MAC level competition opponents. I won't complain too much if there is no change in the first two games, but the third (or whatever game it ends up being) should not be to another MAC team. We should at least be playing mid level BCS teams in that game (or the best of the non BCS).

As for the OSU "golden rule," I don't see where you are coming from. OSU tries to schedule one elite out of conference school every year, and will undoubtedly lose several of them. The only school I can think of that we might being trying to avoid is Cincinnati and that just because it's not in OSU's interest to create an instate rivalry.

Clearly Ohio State is avoiding Cincinnati, now that we have a Top 20 team and we're in a BCS conference. What bothers Ohio State and their fans is that UC had trouble recruiting in C-USA. And if we got any momentum Ohio State could cut off the game against UC and hurt UC's recruiting. Now UC doesn't need Ohio State. We sellout games, we have great facilities, we're in the Big East/BCS, we have big time teams OOC, we have Top 25 teams and we play Top 25 teams, and we have great national exposure thanks to our Made-for-TV ESPN games and the Big East's new monster ESPN contract. We don't need an in-state rivalry with Ohio State either. That seems to bother some people at Ohio State because they rush to Cincinnati message board and Big East message boards to preach how "great" Ohio State and the Big Ten is (you can have them). And Tressel and his coaches are running all over Ohio trying to solidify recruits who are second guessing Ohio State and looking at Cincinnati and the Big East as a legit option. Ohio State used to be able to dictate things. They were going to make sure that Cincinnati never got into the Big Ten and knew that the SEC wasn't an option. So they had UC, their biggest threat in the state, tucked away in a non-BCS conference, without television exposure or a solid recruiting base. That made Ohio State the only BCS school in the state. And they could toss UC a crumb every once in a while and schedule us. So they had everything under control. That's why they hated UC basketball, it was the only advantage we had over them at the time. But once Cincinnati moved into the Big East and started winning in football the dynamics changed greatly in Ohio. When Ohio State had a big game they could sell it to all the recruits. But, a couple of years ago, while they were showing the Ohio State/Michigan game UC was stealing some of the local thunder by beating #7 Rutgers, which was also nationally televised, and was also a conference game. UC has joined Ohio State in being a Top 25 team and playing Top 25 team in and out of conference. Why play OSU when we can play the OTHER OSU on ESPN and get just as much exposure? UC is building their own little power and we don't need Ohio State. And that kills the unversity and their fans.

ohio1317 Wrote:As for the OSU "golden rule," I don't see where you are coming from.

Let me explain, In 1992 I had the pleasure of traveling to Columbus for the the Louisville Ohio State game. The Buckeyes won the game 20-19. As we were leaving OSU fans were "great game, too bad we won't be playing you again." I asked them to explain, "We don't play anyone OOC that might beat us, The Big Ten is just too tough."
Damn if they weren't right. OSU refuses to play us again.
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:

ohio1317 Wrote:As for the OSU "golden rule," I don't see where you are coming from.

Let me explain, In 1992 I had the pleasure of traveling to Columbus for the the Louisville Ohio State game. The Buckeyes won the game 20-19. As we were leaving OSU fans were "great game, too bad we won't be playing you again." I asked them to explain, "We don't play anyone OOC that might beat us, The Big Ten is just too tough."
Damn if they weren't right. OSU refuses to play us again.
CJ

lol, that is hilarious! And with Louisville's recent success (Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowl appearances and the Liberty and Orange Bowl wins) Ohio State wanted no part of the Cards.Ever since Cincinnati came close to beating Ohio State and probably ending their run to the title (OSU escaped 23-19) the only times Ohio State has played us was at their place. Then, when they were supposed to come here, they bought their way out and had the game played at their place. Funny how Ohio State suddenly wants to buyout Cincinnati a few months after we finished in the Top 20, had a great recruiting season which follows several good recruiting class, moved into the Big East and the Big East's new television contract kicks in (which will increase our exposure and recruiting greatly). Funny how that works. It's not like they replaced us, they bought the game out but quickly rescheduled it when UC took a million dollars and decided to go to their place. Why not get paid big money to beat them at their place while improving our facilities? Ohio State was willing to play UC when we had crappy facilities, were in a C-USA, and was getting, at best, 2 million dollars a year and that was eaten up by bills. Now, the Big East's television contract alone guarantees UC no less then 4 or 5 million dollars per year. Another million or two from non-BCS bowl games, then the extra revenue merchandise, ticket sells, basketball tournament games, football deals, donors, etc., could get UC in the area of 7 to 10 million dollars a year. Suddenly Ohio State doesn't want anything to do with us. Funny how that works! Thank god for the Big East!

Ohio1317, you seem much more reasonable than many of the OSU messageboard posters I run across (the ones Cat’s Claw discussed ). So, I assume you can discuss the subject without emanating the aura of superiority.

I contend that, if OSU and UC ever started a series, it can help both schools. The premise is that I think the State of Ohio has enough talent to feed both our programs sufficiently. Also, with OSU’s latest success, I don’t believe we’re about to cut significantly into your recruiting pipeline any time soon.

What I’m getting at is, if we developed a rivalry, it would immensely UC’s ability to recruit the state. We would be beating out the Michigans, MSUs, Wisconsins, etc, and you’d still get yours. Where it helps OSU is that the rest of the league would be in a weakened state, allowing you guys to waltz every year.

Plus, if UC can happen to start bringing home BE titles, it could be what Miami-FSU was during the preseason FB schedule. The national exposure would help both schools.

What are your thoughts (aside from, “well, if we’re beating you every year, what good would the series do you?”)? Would your administration want to see a more extended period of success on our part?

But, like CC said, I think UC will be fine without the series, as would OSU. I definitely won't lose sleep - we'll get there with or without the OSU game.

But, I think both would be better served if it were played.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:UC vs Purdue, Mich. St., UK, IU, and Ill. because:

1. they are winnable
2. regional interest
3. bsc schools

This would be great. I'd also consider rotating Maryland, GT, and maybe Vandy and NW in there somewhere. Any major opponent less than 500 or so miles away would be great for us.

"GAME 2: Play a MAC team. This season we have Akron on the schedule. I'd rather see us play Buffalo or Temple again. Buffalo, like Syracuse, is one of only 3 FBS teams in New York state (the other being Army). Temple is a former Big East member. Both would be very manageable road-trips for our fanbase. See if we can get 2-for-1 deals with each and then rotate these two every year."

No way Temple would do a 2 for 1 with SU. Besides we beat you when Bobby Wallace was the "coach", you'd be in for it facing Al Golden's Owls!

JVWOwls86 Wrote:No way Temple would do a 2 for 1 with SU. Besides we beat you when Bobby Wallace was the "coach", you'd be in for it facing Al Golden's Owls!

I wonder if Golden will be on SU's search list once they jettison Grob

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:Ohio1317, you seem much more reasonable than many of the OSU messageboard posters I run across (the ones Cat’s Claw discussed ). So, I assume you can discuss the subject without emanating the aura of superiority.

I contend that, if OSU and UC ever started a series, it can help both schools. The premise is that I think the State of Ohio has enough talent to feed both our programs sufficiently. Also, with OSU’s latest success, I don’t believe we’re about to cut significantly into your recruiting pipeline any time soon.

What I’m getting at is, if we developed a rivalry, it would immensely UC’s ability to recruit the state. We would be beating out the Michigans, MSUs, Wisconsins, etc, and you’d still get yours. Where it helps OSU is that the rest of the league would be in a weakened state, allowing you guys to waltz every year.

Plus, if UC can happen to start bringing home BE titles, it could be what Miami-FSU was during the preseason FB schedule. The national exposure would help both schools.

What are your thoughts (aside from, “well, if we’re beating you every year, what good would the series do you?”)? Would your administration want to see a more extended period of success on our part?

But, like CC said, I think UC will be fine without the series, as would OSU. I definitely won't lose sleep - we'll get there with or without the OSU game.

But, I think both would be better served if it were played.

Thank you for the kind words. OSU does have more than its fair share of bad posters (although it also does have some very good ones too).

I think a rivalry between the two schools would greatly benefit UC, but would be less beneficial to OSU. An annual rivalry with OSU would bring a lot of southern Ohio (and to a lesser degree, national) attention to UC, and even if it took a while for UC to win its first game (which it certainly wouldn’t have to), the effect would be positive. I believe that the Bearcats are building up to be a very good team long term and if they were thought of as Ohio State’s 2nd rivalry that would only quicken the process. Recruits in Ohio would have to notice at the very least.

Cincinnati itself and the surrounding areas I think are gradually going to become more pro-Bearcat and less pro-Buckeye over the coming years. A rivalry game will quicken this outcome and make it more extreme. That’s good for UC because it will increase its fan base in both numbers and dedication and make it easier to keep recruits in the area (as well as drawing them in from elsewhere). Once again, I think a lot of this is going to happen anyway, but it’s quicker and more extreme if OSU is an annual rivalry game (and will be even quicker when UC wins its first one).

I understand your argument about it benefiting OSU too, but I think the cost to the university is greater than the benefits. OSU will not be at its present height forever. It’s advantages are greater than UC’s (and all but a handful of other universities nationwide), and the potential for UC to out recruit OSU over any long stretch of time is slim. If UC continues to grow though (which, barring a total collapse of the Big East, I expect it to) and if OSU is a strongly disliked rival, the potential for OSU to lose recruits, potential fans, and merchandise sales in southern Ohio is magnified. The rest of the Big Ten might be hurt more in recruiting, but Ohio State would lose out itself at some points and in more ways.

A FSU-Miami situation would have its benefits, but I think most of the advantages and few of the risks still exist by playing a non-Ohio elite team.

What I would personally really like is for both teams to be successful, and for most Ohioans to support both. I don’t know if that’s possible. Most people in Columbus did seem happy to see another Ohio team doing well, but I imagine that would be harder balance to maintain in Cincinnati. The existence of easy trolling on the internet doesn’t make the outcome anymore likely either unfortunately .

In Ohio, Many fans have two teams Ohio State and then their school unless you are an Ohio State alumni where you have just the Buckeyes or Notre Dame if you are a catholic. This is why attendance isn't great at UC or the MAC. Many students/fans are at the bar with an eye on the Buckeyes. The economy of the state does very well when Ohio State plays an in-state school. MAC fans treat that game like a bowl game and demand for those tickets are great.