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RE: NTR - Black Leopard/Panther
BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:There is a such thing as a black jaguar panther, which inhabit Latin America. Check out these link:
For a pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jagua...nk0005.JPG

For info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panther

that's a jaguar there's no need for them to say panther- panther has wrongly become synonymous with a lot of big cats. The term Panther comes from the puma the american cat, b/c of the sub-species in FL which they call the flordia panther. The Puma doesn't not have a melanistic or black color phase-
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MtownTigers916 Wrote:Diverging from the topic a little it- when I was fishing in Haywood County this weekend, I saw an animal I haven't seen before that maybe someone on here can help me identify. It came down from a tree and was about 4X the size of a squirrel. It was russet colored like a fox (but definitely wasn't a fox-- it looked like it was part of the rodent family), had a long tail that was kind of bushy, and hopped more than it ran. I've never seen a weasel before, but that's what I imagined one would look like. I know it wasn't a fox squirrel either (or any other type of squirrel). It looked more elongated and thinner than a beaver (and more fox-colored, but I'm not ruling out that it was a beaver), and definitely wasn't a nutria. Any idea on what it was?

Did it look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mustela_frenata.jpg

was it a Fisher?
fisher
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RE: NTR - Black Leopard/Panther
Excerpts from the info link:

A black panther is a black (melanistic) color variant of one of several species of larger cat which are often known by the term panther. "Panther" in North America is most commonly used for the cougar (genus Puma), in Latin America it is most often used to mean a jaguar and elsewhere in the world it usually refers to the leopard (both genus Panthera). Panthers are not necessarily black, but may also be normally colored for the species (tawny or spotted), or white.



Historical use of "Panther"
Confusion may arise from the distinction between the genus Panthera and the genus Leopardus. Originally, the relatively long-tailed species were called panthers (genus Panthera, which includes the leopard) and others were called leopards (genus Leopardus, which, perhaps confusingly, did not include the leopard.) All these species are now included in the genus Panthera, which therefore covers species such as lions and tigers as well as "panthers".

Pumas, jaguars, and leopards all fall into genus panthera, so they all can be considered "panthers".
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BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:Excerpts from the info link:

A black panther is a black (melanistic) color variant of one of several species of larger cat which are often known by the term panther. "Panther" in North America is most commonly used for the cougar (genus Puma), in Latin America it is most often used to mean a jaguar and elsewhere in the world it usually refers to the leopard (both genus Panthera). Panthers are not necessarily black, but may also be normally colored for the species (tawny or spotted), or white.



Historical use of "Panther"
Confusion may arise from the distinction between the genus Panthera and the genus Leopardus. Originally, the relatively long-tailed species were called panthers (genus Panthera, which includes the leopard) and others were called leopards (genus Leopardus, which, perhaps confusingly, did not include the leopard.) All these species are now included in the genus Panthera, which therefore covers species such as lions and tigers as well as "panthers".

Pumas, jaguars, and leopards all fall into genus panthera, so they all can be considered "panthers".

exactly, there is no species of cat called panther, it's slang.
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callemasIsee-em Wrote:was it a Fisher?
fisher

Good find!
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BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:
callemasIsee-em Wrote:was it a Fisher?
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Good find!

thanks, I've only seen 1.. they live in NE mostly-
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In the late 70's/early 80's, a black panther was seen by many people, including my brother , down near Lula,MS. The game warden there saw it and said that is definitely what it was. There are plenty of Wolves down there as well. That can be a spooky place at night and there have been all kinds of sightings of stuff down there that you can't explain. We were at Pickwick about a month ago and the people who's house we were staying at had been seeing a black panther there as well.
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We have seen large black cats on our hunting farm on the Loosahatchie between Raleigh-Millington and Singleton Parkway. not saying they were panthers or otherwise but they were definitely LARGE.
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Another wild life sighting. My father-in-laws farm backs up the Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park. Its off exit 116, so not that far north of memphis. TWRA did a release of timber rattlesnakes to re-introduce them to the area. You not supposed to harm them, but they are out of the park area. He's found three on his farm that were huge (longer than 6ft., as big around as your forearm.) As a city boy, its just not what you think you might run into in west tn.
Here's a pic of one found in a Nashville back yard.
http://tnparadise.blogspot.com/2007/06/y...nakes.html
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callemasIsee-em Wrote:
BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:
MtownTigers916 Wrote:Diverging from the topic a little it- when I was fishing in Haywood County this weekend, I saw an animal I haven't seen before that maybe someone on here can help me identify. It came down from a tree and was about 4X the size of a squirrel. It was russet colored like a fox (but definitely wasn't a fox-- it looked like it was part of the rodent family), had a long tail that was kind of bushy, and hopped more than it ran. I've never seen a weasel before, but that's what I imagined one would look like. I know it wasn't a fox squirrel either (or any other type of squirrel). It looked more elongated and thinner than a beaver (and more fox-colored, but I'm not ruling out that it was a beaver), and definitely wasn't a nutria. Any idea on what it was?

Did it look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mustela_frenata.jpg

was it a Fisher?
fisher

If it wasn't a fisher, I wonder if it was a ground hog. They can climb trees and have bushy tails, plus they look sort of like a beaver or nutria. This time of year they wouldn't have fattened up yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog

It wasn't a beaver, they have flat skin-covered tails. They've released river otters in West TN too, and maybe their tails would get bushy if they were out of the water for awhile.
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RE: NTR - Black Leopard/Panther
Herff Tiger Wrote:
callemasIsee-em Wrote:
BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:
MtownTigers916 Wrote:Diverging from the topic a little it- when I was fishing in Haywood County this weekend, I saw an animal I haven't seen before that maybe someone on here can help me identify. It came down from a tree and was about 4X the size of a squirrel. It was russet colored like a fox (but definitely wasn't a fox-- it looked like it was part of the rodent family), had a long tail that was kind of bushy, and hopped more than it ran. I've never seen a weasel before, but that's what I imagined one would look like. I know it wasn't a fox squirrel either (or any other type of squirrel). It looked more elongated and thinner than a beaver (and more fox-colored, but I'm not ruling out that it was a beaver), and definitely wasn't a nutria. Any idea on what it was?

Did it look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mustela_frenata.jpg

was it a Fisher?
fisher

If it wasn't a fisher, I wonder if it was a ground hog. They can climb trees and have bushy tails, plus they look sort of like a beaver or nutria. This time of year they wouldn't have fattened up yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog

It wasn't a beaver, they have flat skin-covered tails. They've released river otters in West TN too, and maybe their tails would get bushy if they were out of the water for awhile.

Thanks for the responses. It really could have been any of the three, it had some resemblances to all of them, and I never got within 30 yards of it. I'll probably be up that way again tomorrow and will take pictures and then post them on here if I see it again.
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UPStiger Wrote:TWRA did a release of timber rattlesnakes to re-introduce them to the area. You not supposed to harm them,

That is just about the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Do they consider shooting them on sight harming them? If so, then we would have a problem.
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There were huge numbers of Black Panthers in the 1960's. Haven't seen as many recently.

Also, there have been huge increases of Cougars in downtown Memphis, often seen near Spindini and other trendy nightspots.

Jaguars often congregate near the Madison hotel on Thursdays, fwiw.
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MtownTigers916 Wrote:
Herff Tiger Wrote:
callemasIsee-em Wrote:
BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:
MtownTigers916 Wrote:Diverging from the topic a little it- when I was fishing in Haywood County this weekend, I saw an animal I haven't seen before that maybe someone on here can help me identify. It came down from a tree and was about 4X the size of a squirrel. It was russet colored like a fox (but definitely wasn't a fox-- it looked like it was part of the rodent family), had a long tail that was kind of bushy, and hopped more than it ran. I've never seen a weasel before, but that's what I imagined one would look like. I know it wasn't a fox squirrel either (or any other type of squirrel). It looked more elongated and thinner than a beaver (and more fox-colored, but I'm not ruling out that it was a beaver), and definitely wasn't a nutria. Any idea on what it was?

Did it look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mustela_frenata.jpg

was it a Fisher?
fisher

If it wasn't a fisher, I wonder if it was a ground hog. They can climb trees and have bushy tails, plus they look sort of like a beaver or nutria. This time of year they wouldn't have fattened up yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog

It wasn't a beaver, they have flat skin-covered tails. They've released river otters in West TN too, and maybe their tails would get bushy if they were out of the water for awhile.

Thanks for the responses. It really could have been any of the three, it had some resemblances to all of them, and I never got within 30 yards of it. I'll probably be up that way again tomorrow and will take pictures and then post them on here if I see it again.

Where in Haywood were you fishing? I'm from there.

I may have said this before, but my mechanic's shop is in rural Haywood County, and a few years ago one of his hound dogs had a leg removed by what he thinks was a black panther roaming around the woods near his shop.
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RE: NTR - Black Leopard/Panther
salukiblue Wrote:There were huge numbers of Black Panthers in the 1960's. Haven't seen as many recently.

Also, there have been huge increases of Cougars in downtown Memphis, often seen near Spindini and other trendy nightspots.

Jaguars often congregate near the Madison hotel on Thursdays, fwiw.

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