GreenMississippi Wrote:

1ndabag Wrote:Our conference prestige is fine and will improve plenty with schools who are stepping it up like UCF and Marshall. Don't count Memphis out either.

Ahem...Forgetting someone?

Sorry. Didn't intend to leave out the Blazers.

1ndabag Wrote:Instead of a full blown conference invite for baseball, how about a trial period whereby we all schedule them? They would be willing to do that as an entree to a possible conference invite. It would be an RPI boost for those of us who play them if they continue to play well as opposed to us filling that one weekend with whomever we can scrape up. And perhaps the added exposure and benefit to DBU that would quickly be evident would provide a kick in the pants to one of our REAL conference brethren to find a way to establish a baseball program of their own.

I get what you're saying, but isn't that pretty much like putting them in our conference anyways? If we're gonna do that, make it a 4 year full-baseball-membership so the rest of the C*USA schools can reap the benefits of recruiting baseball in the Dallas area and their NCAA bids, and after that if we don't like it we can part ways without problem.

What I'm saying is exactly NOT to put them in the conference "anyways". My whole point was to allow them to play in our league but to stop short of giving them "full baseball membership". Why should we give them that? Our ability to recruit the Dallas area is not contingent upon a DBU membership. We're doing that already. Inviting DBU unconditionally amounts to welfare.

GrayBeard Wrote:Nothing against DBU, but as an ECU fan I want to keep a home series on the "off week" instead of having to travel to Texas every other year.

Cry me a river! You're already not traveling to Texas and Oklahoma THREE TIMES every other year due to TULSA, UTEP, and SMU, not having programs.

The fact that Houston, Rice, and Tulane, are traveling out East all the time doesn't seem to bother you.

IMO, DBU makes geographic sense. Competitively they would be a coup for the league. CUSA shouldn't be content with being the 5th best league. Adding Dallas Baptist (a potential standout program) would more than make up for any "travel concerns" with the extra credibility they would give the league. Not to mention the added exposure our programs would get in the metroplex (that SMU isn't delivering), particularly to the Western side of CUSA.

I don't understand how there are 14 "no" votes...unless I misunderstand what we are voting on.

This wouldn't impact any other sports/scheduling and would add a high quality (RPI) series for everyone on the schedule.

st932253 Wrote:I don't understand how there are 14 "no" votes...unless I misunderstand what we are voting on.

This wouldn't impact any other sports/scheduling and would add a high quality (RPI) series for everyone on the schedule.

Me either.

A series against DBU would have certainly been better than a series against first year DI Presbyterian College like ECU had on the off weekend this year.
I could understand it if ECU was playing a weekend series against one of the ACC programs on their off-weekend, but replacing someone like PC with DBU is a no-brainer.

Let's add both Dallas Baptist and Notre Dame for baseball only and get a good "Baptist vs. Catholic" rivalry going.

Seriously, how does DBU do attendance-wise? How big is their baseball stadium? I'm trying to find a downside to adding them to C-USA, but I'm not seeing one so far other than that we would each lose three OOC games (is that REALLY that big a deal?). Also, we would each be making a trip to Dallas every other year, but would that significantly affect anyone's athletic budget?

Give me a very good reason not to add DBU for baseball only. Anyone, anyone?

[quote=CoogKnightOwl518]

C-USA adds:

* Dallas Baptist (Baseball Only)

* Florida International (All Sports)

* La La (All Sports)


This would permanently define the roll that C-USA

is destine to play in the arena of college sports.

Southern Nights Wrote:C-USA adds:

* Dallas Baptist (Baseball Only)

* Florida International (All Sports)

* La La (All Sports)


This would permanently define the roll that C-USA

is destine to play in the arena of college sports.

If that is a slam at DBU, and their lack of being a marquee name, perhaps you should save that talk for the teams they beat this year, TCU fan.


BEATING THE BIG BOYS
Dallas Baptist played one of the nation's toughest schedules this season and often played the best teams on the road or at a neutral site. But DBU held its own, recording five victories against Top 25 teams and finishing the regular season 37-17. Some of DBU's biggest wins of the year:
Date Opp. Site Result
March 5 Rice Frisco W, 7-6 (12)
March 7 Oral Roberts Arlington W, 5-1
March 21 at Oral Roberts Tulsa, Okla. W, 19-6
April 2 at Rice Houston W, 3-2
April 16 Baylor DBU W, 13-5
May 1 at Texas A&M College Station W, 12-6
May 7 Texas Tech DBU W, 16-7
May 13 at Texas Tech Lubbock W, 8-4

Southern Nights Wrote:This would permanently define the roll that C-USA
is destine to play

CoogKnightOwl518 Wrote:

Southern Nights Wrote:C-USA adds:

* Dallas Baptist (Baseball Only)

* Florida International (All Sports)

* La La (All Sports)


This would permanently define the roll that C-USA

is destine to play in the arena of college sports.

If that is a slam at DBU, and their lack of being a marquee name, perhaps you should save that talk for the teams they beat this year, TCU fan.


BEATING THE BIG BOYS
Dallas Baptist played one of the nation's toughest schedules this season and often played the best teams on the road or at a neutral site. But DBU held its own, recording five victories against Top 25 teams and finishing the regular season 37-17. Some of DBU's biggest wins of the year:
Date Opp. Site Result
March 5 Rice Frisco W, 7-6 (12)
March 7 Oral Roberts Arlington W, 5-1
March 21 at Oral Roberts Tulsa, Okla. W, 19-6
April 2 at Rice Houston W, 3-2
April 16 Baylor DBU W, 13-5
May 1 at Texas A&M College Station W, 12-6
May 7 Texas Tech DBU W, 16-7
May 13 at Texas Tech Lubbock W, 8-4

Southern Nights Wrote:This would permanently define the roll that C-USA
is destine to play

2/28/08: TCU 6 vs. DBU 1
3/24/08: TCU 20 vs. DBU 3
4/21/08: TCU 6 vs. DBU 4

I don't agree with his stance against DBU, but if he is a TCU fan then he has plenty of room to talk smack against DBU based on this year's results on the field between the Frogs and the Patriots.

They had a nice year; how have they done over a series of years?

EdisonDoyle Wrote:They had a nice year; how have they done over a series of years?

GreenMississippi Wrote:5/26/2008

DBU, who has a long tradition of successful baseball, with 30 straight winning seasons, is only in their third year of NCAA Division I competition. The Patriots had to play one of the toughest schedules in the nation during 2008 in order to have a chance at receiving an at large bid, since they are an NCAA Division I Independent Team. DBU is also the first Independent team other than Miami to make a NCAA Regional since 1992.

http://www.dbu.edu/athletics

Southern Nights Wrote:[quote=CoogKnightOwl518]

C-USA adds:

* Dallas Baptist (Baseball Only)

* Florida International (All Sports)

* La La (All Sports)


This would permanently define the roll that C-USA

is destine to play in the arena of college sports.

No one has said a damned thing about adding FIU or ULL for all sports. It isn't going to happen.

As to adding DBU baseball-only, affiliates do not hurt league branding. South Carolina, Kentucky, and lowly FIU all play men's soccer in CUSA. While baseball is higher profile than soccer, it's not nearly the same profile level as the two big sports - FB and MBB. DBU would help us break into the Top 4 or even Top 3 baseball conferences and probably result in us not only snagging an additional bid for them, but probably one additional bid on top of that.

I can tell you what, if DBU basketball made the NCAA tourney as an at-large, no one here would be saying anything against adding them!

DBU made 10 NAIA world series between 1984 and 2002. They won 40+ games in their first D1 season as a provisional member, and were above .500 in 05,06, and 07. This year they were obviously pretty good, 37-19 with a pretty tough schedule. They did not play many true home games against the best opponents, playing them in Frisco at the AA park instead.

Baptists??? You want to bring Baptists into the Conference??? What are you thinking. Beer would have to be banned at all games and there could be no celebrations after a win because they might include some type of dancing. No thank you....

CoogKnightOwl518 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Nothing against DBU, but as an ECU fan I want to keep a home series on the "off week" instead of having to travel to Texas every other year.

Cry me a river! You're already not traveling to Texas and Oklahoma THREE TIMES every other year due to TULSA, UTEP, and SMU, not having programs.

The fact that Houston, Rice, and Tulane, are traveling out East all the time doesn't seem to bother you.

IMO, DBU makes geographic sense. Competitively they would be a coup for the league. CUSA shouldn't be content with being the 5th best league. Adding Dallas Baptist (a potential standout program) would more than make up for any "travel concerns" with the extra credibility they would give the league. Not to mention the added exposure our programs would get in the metroplex (that SMU isn't delivering), particularly to the Western side of CUSA.

Nobody was crying, but I am glad you decided to get so defensive. I just added my thoughts to the discussion.

A couple of things....exposure in the "metroplex" doesn't mean jack to ECU or many teams in the East. Also, do we really need to expand our baseball conference? I don't see the need.

Milos likey the blonde beauty on the right..

We might need a replacement when ECU accepts that football-only spot in the big east.

GrayBeard Wrote:A couple of things....exposure in the "metroplex" doesn't mean jack to ECU or many teams in the East. Also, do we really need to expand our baseball conference? I don't see the need.

Ahh yes... The north Texas metroplex is only one of the most talent-rich areas of the entire country, and also houses the HEADQUARTERS of our league.

Considering the strength of our brand in Texas, its absurd to suggest that having only 3 Western teams represented (the only Texas teams residing in the same city - Houston) is acceptable.

This isn't a matter of need as much as it is a matter of opportunity. The last indy team to show as much potential as Dallas Baptist play in Miami and call themselves the Hurricanes!

I don't know why so many would vote "no".

Dallas Baptist adds RPI strength to this league, which is already a great baseball league. We'd become the best baseball conference not named the Big 12, Pac 10, ACC or SEC.

Unless someone donates about $100 Million to SMU to subsidize baseball, softball and another women's sports its not being added. We dropped Men's track because of cost and Title IX. I don't see us adding any more sports any time soon. Now if the football team goes to a BCS bowl every year, then we might start adding some more sports. But that isn't happening any time soon.

Cooger_Scarlett Wrote:We might need a replacement when ECU accepts that football-only spot in the big east.

Then we can just kick them back out.