PusherT Wrote:My opinion on the issue if the big east wants to move into the state of Tennessee, they should target UT no matter unlikey that is. Tennessee is the #1 program in that state it does the Big East no good to grab the 3rd best program in that state. Even if the Big East were to grant Memphis into the BCS club they still will not overtake Tennessee. That my issue with the Big East currently in football and were alot of disrespect stems from we have to many 2nd tier programs in there respective states. Penn State,Ohio State, and Kentucky all have bigger fanbases and more influence in there respective states then there Big East counterparts thus looking down on those BE programs and BE itself. An example of this UofL goes to the Orange Bowl and wins yet UK still owns that state (Bigger fanbase,influence in the state,larger stadium etc) will continue to be #1 until UofL manages to win a NC and even then it might not change

Please dont make me laugh. Why would tennessee leave the SEC and its big bucks for the Big east.
It is what it is. and BE is NOT going to pull anyone from ACC,SEC nor Big10. So all the league can do its build its schools and fan bases to rival those of the big state schools.
FSU with success has been able to do very well but is NOT comparable to the pull UF has in our state. USF is NOT going to replace UF but it can build a following that could rival it eventually.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not those state schools have had a BIG advantage for many years and have not only the following of their alumni but of those that never step into those universities.

MichaelSavage Wrote:Who's flaming? And who's a Tarhole fan? You flamed him when he posted factual information. UK does have a bigger stadium than UL. UK has a bigger fanbase than UL. UK has more influence in the state than does UL.

Everyone here know's you are an ACC apologist. You do nothing but attack the Big East. To list that you are a WVU fan is laughable.
No tell us how great the ACC is again....Notice how you NEVER defend the Big East...EVER
CJ

PirateMarv Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

PusherT Wrote:My opinion on the issue if the big east wants to move into the state of Tennessee, they should target UT no matter unlikey that is. Tennessee is the #1 program in that state it does the Big East no good to grab the 3rd best program in that state. Even if the Big East were to grant Memphis into the BCS club they still will not overtake Tennessee. That my issue with the Big East currently in football and were alot of disrespect stems from we have to many 2nd tier programs in there respective states. Penn State,Ohio State, and Kentucky all have bigger fanbases and more influence in there respective states then there Big East counterparts thus looking down on those BE programs and BE itself. An example of this UofL goes to the Orange Bowl and wins yet UK still owns that state (Bigger fanbase,influence in the state,larger stadium etc) will continue to be #1 until UofL manages to win a NC and even then it might not change

Frontrunner for absurd post of the week.

I second that. Would have better luck getting the Vatican to leave Italy.

Here. Here.

Pusher T., must not be to familiar with the South; college football or the University of Tennessee.

I am. I've lived in Knoxville for the last 14 years, and worked as a network administrator at UT. I can claim far better knowledge of the University of Tennessee than just about anyone on this board. There is no way UT would even listen to a pitch about leaving the SEC for anyone, much less the Big East, which is still viewed pretty much as a lesser player down here due to the lack of coverage. Anyone who thinks this direction is the way to go needs Psychiatric help and lots of medication.

On a side note, historically Memphis isn't the 3rd best football program in Tennessee. That distinction belongs to Vandy.

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:Who's flaming? And who's a Tarhole fan? You flamed him when he posted factual information. UK does have a bigger stadium than UL. UK has a bigger fanbase than UL. UK has more influence in the state than does UL.

Everyone here know's you are an ACC apologist. You do nothing but attack the Big East. To list that you are a WVU fan is laughable.
No tell us how great the ACC is again....Notice how you NEVER defend the Big East...EVER
CJ

So I'm an ACC fan because I recognize that UNC is a better program than ECU? That's quite an extrapolation. Where have I attacked the Big East? Please provide a link. All you're good for is pimping second tier programs for Big East membership.

MichaelSavage Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:Who's flaming? And who's a Tarhole fan? You flamed him when he posted factual information. UK does have a bigger stadium than UL. UK has a bigger fanbase than UL. UK has more influence in the state than does UL.

Does that mean that UK "owns" the state? I believe that was the point of contention.

I wouldn't say the "own" the state, but all things being equal would it be better for a conference to have Kentucky, Tennessee and Ohio State or Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati?

Personally I'd want Louisville in a conference with Memphis and Cincinnati over the other three. It's called loyalty. A concept that is foreign in today's conference landscape.
UK, UT and OSU offer nothing that I want my school to be associated with.
CJ

Who cares about UNC? They've never done anything noteworthy in football.

bitcruncher Wrote:Who cares about UNC? They've never done anything noteworthy in football.

Neither has ECU, but that doesn't stop people around here from acting like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

MichaelSavage Wrote:So I'm an ACC fan because I recognize that UNC is a better program than ECU? That's quite an extrapolation. Where have I attacked the Big East? Please provide a link. All you're good for is pimping second tier programs for Big East membership.

"DawgNBama (0) - Last updated 05-14-2008, 07:30 PM

Negative: worthless tarhole fan "

Not a link but it looks like this guy made you week's ago. Who are you calling "second tier programs"? In football your Tarholes are a second tier program...LOL And your ACC a second tier conference 1-9 in the BCS....LOL
CJ

MichaelSavage Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Who cares about UNC? They've never done anything noteworthy in football.

Neither has ECU, but that doesn't stop people around here from acting like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

You'll note that those promoting ECU like the greatest thing since sliced bread are all ECU fans. Does your level of observation go that far, or have you been affected by gravity and become very dense?

I have a vision that one day the Big East will expand or split and bring in another football school that is not named Memphis and all the people on this board will begin to talk about how Memphis will then be the next school to join and go on and on about how great it is and then when another school not named Memphis is added, they'll proceed to talk about how Memphis would then be the NEXT school to join........

From the way people talk about that school on these boards, I bet if Jesus were to go to college...it would be at Memphis

bitcruncher Wrote:Does your level of observation go that far, or have you been affected by gravity and become very dense?

Bit,
I believe it's the latter.
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:So I'm an ACC fan because I recognize that UNC is a better program than ECU? That's quite an extrapolation. Where have I attacked the Big East? Please provide a link. All you're good for is pimping second tier programs for Big East membership.

"DawgNBama (0) - Last updated 05-14-2008, 07:30 PM

Negative: worthless tarhole fan "

Not a link but it looks like this guy made you week's ago. Who are you calling "second tier programs"? In football your Tarholes are a second tier program...LOL And your ACC a second tier conference 1-9 in the BCS....LOL
CJ

I think Utah just scored another touchdown on you. Enjoy Steve Kragthorpe, the coach who can turn a national title contender into a team who can't even make a bowl game.

bitcruncher Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Who cares about UNC? They've never done anything noteworthy in football.

Neither has ECU, but that doesn't stop people around here from acting like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

You'll note that those promoting ECU like the greatest thing since sliced bread are all ECU fans. Does your level of observation go that far, or have you been affected by gravity and become very dense?

Hardly. Cardinal Jim and other Big East fans routinely pimp ECU.

3601 Wrote:

Jugnaut Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

army56mike Wrote:Memphis could easily be as good as Tennessee in football. I don't bodoubt it.

I know they could put a team together like UC, USF, Rutgers, and UCONN have done, crack the top 25 and be a solid addition to BE Football...plus it opens up an SEC market for us....

crap...there we go again with the expansion talk.

College Football CAN'T get here soon enough....geesh.

Are you guys serious? Memphis as good as Tennessee? Even with a BCS bid I can't see how they would do any better than the D'Angelo years. Memphis has been a perennial bottom feeder in football. They're not in a great recruiting surrounded by tons of more attractive teams and they've consistently lost to sunbelt teams! ECU or UCF breaking the top 25 I can see because they have solid football programs, but Memphis is gonna be Temple 2 in football.

It's somewhat crazy to think that Memphis "could easily be as good at Tennessee in football." What you said is equally as crazy. Being in a BCS conference would help Memphis advance as much as it has helped Cincy and USF. The last thing in the world that surrounding SEC schools like ole miss, miss. state, vandy and arkansas want to see is Memphis with the advantages of being in an SEC conference.

I don't see Memphis being a USF or Cincy either. They have very good locations. Florida and Ohio are among the top places for producing college players, tennessee is not. Plus having the label BCS doesn't mean you'll be good. Look at Ole Miss and Duke. Memphis will probably be battling Syracuse for the bottom of the BE if they get invited. Memphis just has a history of being bad at football, that's hard to overcome. Would Memphis improve? Yes, they might move up into the Top 50 instead being 90 or lower.

MichaelSavage Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:Who's flaming? And who's a Tarhole fan? You flamed him when he posted factual information. UK does have a bigger stadium than UL. UK has a bigger fanbase than UL. UK has more influence in the state than does UL.

Does that mean that UK "owns" the state? I believe that was the point of contention.

I wouldn't say the "own" the state, but all things being equal would it be better for a conference to have Kentucky, Tennessee and Ohio State or Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati?

I think we all know the answer to that question, but that's not what he said.

Orange Eagles Wrote:I bet if Jesus were to go to college...it would be at Memphis

Actually if Jesus went to college he would probably attend Temple. Afterall Jesus is the Lord of second and third chances...
CJ

Jugnaut Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

Jugnaut Wrote:

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

army56mike Wrote:Memphis could easily be as good as Tennessee in football. I don't bodoubt it.

I know they could put a team together like UC, USF, Rutgers, and UCONN have done, crack the top 25 and be a solid addition to BE Football...plus it opens up an SEC market for us....

crap...there we go again with the expansion talk.

College Football CAN'T get here soon enough....geesh.

Are you guys serious? Memphis as good as Tennessee? Even with a BCS bid I can't see how they would do any better than the D'Angelo years. Memphis has been a perennial bottom feeder in football. They're not in a great recruiting surrounded by tons of more attractive teams and they've consistently lost to sunbelt teams! ECU or UCF breaking the top 25 I can see because they have solid football programs, but Memphis is gonna be Temple 2 in football.

It's somewhat crazy to think that Memphis "could easily be as good at Tennessee in football." What you said is equally as crazy. Being in a BCS conference would help Memphis advance as much as it has helped Cincy and USF. The last thing in the world that surrounding SEC schools like ole miss, miss. state, vandy and arkansas want to see is Memphis with the advantages of being in an SEC conference.

I don't see Memphis being a USF or Cincy either. They have very good locations. Florida and Ohio are among the top places for producing college players, tennessee is not. Plus having the label BCS doesn't mean you'll be good. Look at Ole Miss and Duke. Memphis will probably be battling Syracuse for the bottom of the BE if they get invited. Memphis just has a history of being bad at football, that's hard to overcome. Would Memphis improve? Yes, they might move up into the Top 50 instead being 90 or lower.

You don't know as much about history as you think. Memphis had a better history in football than Louisville did until the recent past. I'm not saying that Memphis would be a national power. Memphis competed very well with Louisville (19-21), Cincinnati (18-12) and USF (2-2) when all were on the same level. It would happen again if Memphis got BCS inclusion.

MichaelSavage Wrote:Cardinal Jim and other Big East fans routinely pimp ECU.

Again if you're gonna flame at least be accurate. I pimp Memphis. I have been doing so for 5 years now. I don't see that changing. If you don't like it, don't read it. Or I suggest you use that little feature called "ignore". As for the entire board pimping anyone, I believe you are sadly mistaken....
CJ

Wouldn't be a second chance if it was a new league would it? NO! Temple was a filler in football before, now they have a legit program + solid basketball program + top ten market located in heart of the footprint = better than most candidates.

You can't knock their market or basketball. Only their football which is better than it has been in awhile. Let's see how they are in two seasons when those freshman are older.

MichaelSavage Wrote:

CardinalJim Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:So I'm an ACC fan because I recognize that UNC is a better program than ECU? That's quite an extrapolation. Where have I attacked the Big East? Please provide a link. All you're good for is pimping second tier programs for Big East membership.

"DawgNBama (0) - Last updated 05-14-2008, 07:30 PM

Negative: worthless tarhole fan "

Not a link but it looks like this guy made you week's ago. Who are you calling "second tier programs"? In football your Tarholes are a second tier program...LOL And your ACC a second tier conference 1-9 in the BCS....LOL
CJ

I think Utah just scored another touchdown on you. Enjoy Steve Kragthorpe, the coach who can turn a national title contender into a team who can't even make a bowl game.

Way to change the subject. Looks like you been busted Tarhole.
CJ