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Inside Dish: Pac-10 could soon face expansion-Sporting News Article
Inside Dish: Pac-10 could soon face expansion

Posted: June 15, 2008

Lost amid the hoopla of Tom Hansen retiring as Pac-10 commissioner is this reality: The league could be the next to expand to 12 teams. Hansen fought expansion, but shrinking university budgets could force the Pac-10's hand.


Expanding to 12 would allow the conference to split into divisions and reap the monetary rewards of a championship game while giving the league more negotiating weight with television and bowl contracts. Two of the top candidates for the job -- WAC commissioner Karl Benson and former Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg -- have the personality to sway the league's presidents and would be proactive in pursuing expansion.

Any expansion would revolve around television markets, which means BYU and/or Utah (Salt Lake City) would be at the top of the list. Boise State would be the top draw in terms of fan interest. ...

New Mexico State is in danger of losing its Bowl Championship Subdivision (Division I) status if it fails to average 15,000 fans this fall. The Aggies averaged 14,412 last year, falling short of the NCAA's 15,000 mandate for a rolling two-year period. The school could petition the NCAA if it fails to reach 15,000 this season because it reached the goal in the previous four reporting periods.

The decline in attendance isn't a good sign for coach Hal Mumme, who has only eight wins in three seasons while getting the university embroiled in a discrimination lawsuit that was settled last year. ...

DL Jerrell Powe, a onetime mega recruit who hasn't played since 2005, has moved a step closer to suiting up for Ole Miss -- in theory. The NCAA has denied academic appeals for Powe to enroll -- saying in one ruling he had met requirements only with "significant assistance" -- but the SEC recently gave commissioner Mike Slive more flexibility to rule on non-qualifiers.

It's unlikely Slive will approve Powe's complicated case because it would set a dangerous precedent. ...

Mike Garrison's resignation as West Virginia University president couldn't come at a worse time for the school in its legal fight with former coach Rich Rodriguez. If Rodriguez's attorneys can connect Garrison and his administration to a phony degree handed out to West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin's daughter -- Garrison resigned, in part over the controversy -- it figures to strengthen their claim that Garrison was not above working outside the rules when he allegedly induced Rodriguez to sign his contract by promising that a $4 million buyout would be waived or reduced if he were to leave the school.

Though an independent panel found no evidence Garrison was involved, it did rule that WVU officials gave the governor's daughter a degree she didn't earn -- on Garrison's watch.
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so much for the perfect 10
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All hell is going to break loose if the PAC-10 goes to 12.
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They should look at Colorado.
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i don't think any other conf. will be effected if the P10 expands. they have multiple good candidates to choose from w/out affecting the current BCS landscape (Utah, BYU, Boise, Fresno... CSU, NM, UNLV...)

now, if they looked to snake CU away from the Big 12 North (would YOU rather be in the Pac-10?), then we might see something interesting happen.
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Why get excited about some writer’s theory? What else besides that suggests the PAC 10 schools are even THINKING about expanding?
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Pac-10 & B-12 can not keep up with revenue stream of B-10 & SEC, start looking for some type of merger. TV market would 92 million compared to B-10 at 69 million. I'm sure there own network would not be far behind.
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Matt Hayes brought no factual information to that article and its the PAC-10 presidents, not the commisssioner, that decides whether or not to expand. Tom Hansen does something contrary to the PAC-10 presidents, he's fired. He's not getting the chance to resign.

He just used the same line of thinking that a lot of us here have used - Tranghese's leaving town, so the conference must be getting ready to split.

Tom Hansen is leaving town, but the same PAC-10 presidents are still running the show when it comes to athletics, academics and the Rose Bowl.
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More speculation.
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templefootballfan Wrote:Pac-10 & B-12 can not keep up with revenue stream of B-10 & SEC, start looking for some type of merger. TV market would 92 million compared to B-10 at 69 million. I'm sure there own network would not be far behind.
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PAC-10 and Big 12 already have their own cable network: FSN
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If Pac10 ever decides to add two.
They will loook at Texas again. That could mean Texas- TexasAM to the Pac10 that would bring them more attention and money than Utah,BYU or Colorado. We know the Pac10 would be attractive to Texas.
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That conference would move to at least #2 and would get plenty of TV revenues and Bowls. Second to maybe SEC
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This might be interesting if it came from a legit source & not that rag Sporting News.
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texasorange Wrote:This might be interesting if it came from a legit source & not that rag Sporting News.

Who's to say what's a legitimate source anymore? Over 5 years ago ACC expansion was breaking on message boards and blogs before "legit" sources picked up on it. I am not saying TSN is right about this but I'm not waiting on legit news sources as confirmation for this sort of thing.
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texasorange Wrote:This might be interesting if it came from a legit source & not that rag Sporting News.

Who's to say what's a legitimate source anymore? Over 5 years ago ACC expansion was breaking on message boards and blogs before "legit" sources picked up on it. I am not saying TSN is right about this but I'm not waiting on legit news sources as confirmation for this sort of thing.


The writers at SN are rumor mongers.The rag is virtually unreadable. And their counterparts Sporting News Radio are the very definition of crap broadcasting where yelling in an extremely irritating fashion is the norm.

And while some things can get leaked out & might show up on a blog or message board; the vast majority of it is, at best a fans speculation, at worst libel & slander.
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MichaelSavage Wrote:........I'm not waiting on legit news sources as confirmation for this sort of thing.

I find it interesting that you bend over backwards to shoot down every article, news report or rumour concerning Big East expansion, from multiple sources, but willing to easily accept that the PAC 10 would expand at the drop of a hat. Then go as far to mention ACC expansion being reported on the same messageboards long before it happens. Your reasoning?
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CardinalJim Wrote:
MichaelSavage Wrote:........I'm not waiting on legit news sources as confirmation for this sort of thing.

I find it interesting that you bend over backwards to shoot down every article, news report or rumour concerning Big East expansion, from multiple sources, but willing to easily accept that the PAC 10 would expand at the drop of a hat. Then go as far to mention ACC expansion being reported on the same messageboards long before it happens. Your reasoning?
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I could accept the Pac 10 expanding because they have viable candidates to choose from. I don't believe the Big East has viable candidates for expansion at this time.
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Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:Why get excited about some writer’s theory? What else besides that suggests the PAC 10 schools are even THINKING about expanding?

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What I find laughable is that somehow Matt Hayes connects that markets are the big deal for PAC-10 expansion, then goes and says BYU and Utah, who share the same TV market in Salt Lake City (#35), yet schools in the Denver DMA (market #18, Colorado & Colorado St.) or San Diego St. (#27) don't seem to be ideal.

And if markets were such a big deal, Washington St. (part of the Spokane, market #77), Arizona (Tuscon, #68) and both of the Oregon schools (Eugene, #120) would be nowhere near the PAC-10.
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mattsarz Wrote:What I find laughable is that somehow Matt Hayes connects that markets are the big deal for PAC-10 expansion, then goes and says BYU and Utah, who share the same TV market in Salt Lake City (#35), yet schools in the Denver DMA (market #18, Colorado & Colorado St.) or San Diego St. (#27) don't seem to be ideal.

And if markets were such a big deal, Washington St. (part of the Spokane, market #77), Arizona (Tuscon, #68) and both of the Oregon schools (Eugene, #120) would be nowhere near the PAC-10.

We already know what the Pac-10 presidents will be looking for - should they ever decide to expand. Tom Hansen told us this:

"While the Pac-10 has not talked about expansion except in the broadest sense (see point No. 1 below) since the mid 1990's, I have never heard a discussion of academic freedom related to BYU during any discussion of possible expansion of the Conference.

Here are factors which have been prominent in relation to expansion of the Pac-10 and to BYU as a possible candidate.

1. The Chief Executive Officers of the member institutions about 1997 determined that they were pleased with the current membership of the Conference and would no longer consider or discuss the subject of expansion, thus ending discussion which had begun in 1990 when Penn State moved into the Big Ten.

2. Our Athletics Directors do not want to add members because they do not want to be forced to divide into two divisions. Further, there is no interest in a football playoff. They have judged that such a game would be likely to hurt the Conference's chances to advance teams to the BCS National Championship Game and other bowls.

3. The primary reason a I-A conference expands is to enlarge its home area for the sale of television rights in football. The Pac-10 claims about 19 per cent of the nation in its home area. Thus any new member would have to bring more than 1.9 per cent of the nation's television households to enlarge the home area enough to provide sufficient additional income to increase the rights paid each member of the Conference. While I have not checked the numbers for some time, when we checked out every Western Division I-A university in the mid 1990's Utah had about .7 per cent of the nation's TV households. In comparison, we were interested in Texas because that State has approximately 7 per cent of the nation's households.

4. The single most important factor to the Pac-10 were it ever to expand would be the academic nature and standing of any institution under consideration. Many sports fans probably would find that difficult to understand, but our CEOs made that clear. The Pac-10 members are all major research institutions, and any institution being considered would have to be in that category. BYU is a fine academic institution, but it is primarily dedicated to undergraduate education rather than research, according to those who know about such things. That would be a major impediment for it."

Even if Matt Hayes is blowing wind out of his arse, sounds like Texas and Texas A&M are the only pair that the Pac-10 would expand for.

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And if Stanford still has the hard-on against Texas that they supposedly did during the round of expansion that Omni is quoting from, they won't be expanding anytime soon.
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