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THE NBA IS FIXED AND I LOVE IT! BUT WAS THE BELMONT GAME?
Reason No. 2 why the NBA should be done away with- the games are fixed.

That really isn't as important as me missing Boston Legal, but regardless.

Is anyone surprised at Tim Donaghy's allegations that he fixed games? That the Lakers' 2002 World Title was largely influenced by his bad calls in Game 6 of the Semis?

My God, who DIDN'T KNOW NBA refs played favorites in games? I thought dribbling was outlawed in pro basketball years ago!

The entire culture of the NBA is not the celebration of the so-called sport (Bouncing a ball and running back and forth. Real entertaining).

The entire culture is marketing individuality in a team sport and pushing the big markets as vastly superior to the smaller ones- to the point where even places like Seattle feel they are treated like Peoria by "The Association."

It is promoting an undercurrent where far-left politics, gangsta attitudes, and unlistenable music reign.

Now, it is to the point where the NBA might as well be the WWE. The outcome is rigged, the athletes are on drugs and have larger than life egos, and the fans are idiots.

I loved hearing David Stern call Donaghy a felon. This is the commish that allowed Latrell Spreewell to become the face of the league after Michael Jordan retired, the Cleveland Cavaliers to tryout Jayson Williams, and let Michael Ray Richardson return after a supposed "lifetime" ban.

At least Bud Selig has enough backbone to keep Pete Rose banned.

Stern's past marketing successes are now abject failures. Ten years ago the NBA Finals got higher ratings than the World Series at 18.7. Last year it wasn't a third of that.

Oh, and the ratings are up this year? To a rating that isn't half of what they got in '98? To a rating that was actually beaten by ABC's "Monday Night Movie" in the same time slot a few months before? To a rating that would have been dwarfed by ABC's "Dancing with the Stars" in the same time slot a couple of weeks before and doubled by "American Idol?"

Rest assured, Donaghy isn't lying. If he is, he will only be adding time onto his prison sentence. One doesn't lie in that situation.

I love how ESPN is trying now to cover this up after they have forced the NBA totally down our throat. "The stars always get the calls!" I heard one of their announcers say today.

Don't the Sacramento Kings have any stars? I would have thought they would have some good players because they made it that far.

But maybe their success was rigged, too!

There's a bit of a difference between a veteran .300 hitter getting a borderline ball-strike call to go his way against a rookie pitcher and calling a pitch in the dirt a strike.

That's my biggest fear. I'm a big fan of Arlen Specter investigating Spygate. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry and there's lots of gambling surrounding it. I want to know what I'm watching is legitimate and that the NFL isn't trying to cover up something larger.

But the comments from ESPN about Spygate? MOVE ON!

After all, ESPN has a vested commercial interest that the league stays pure.

Oh, reporting on Rae Carruth trying to kill his lover and son is one thing- even if they tried to cover it up they couldn't succeed as news sources would pick up the story.

And reporting on Tom Coughlin sending out players who are hurt to play or a paternity or drug absuse situation? Keeps a flavor to the league. Keeps it real.

Heck- there are those that will RELATE to the players that way!

The same thing in hoops. Suddenly, all the teams winning their home games throughout the playoffs has gotten very fishy.

But ESPN won't hurt their investment, so they won't investigate. Daily papers probably won't have the budget and FOX, well, when was the last time you watched their version of Sportscenter, anyway?

WHAT IS FOX'S VERSION OF SPORTSCENTER?

That leaves the FBI.

Now, let's hear it all together. "Doesn't the federal government have better things to do?"

Probably not, but that's the perception many have about Spygate and that's what they'll have about this, too.

The great unwashed doesn't want to know if the games are fixed. The great unwashed wants to continue to throw their money away betting on the games. The great unwashed will start watching wrestling after the NBA season ends.

I wonder how far this trickles down. I wonder about the call in the Belmont game. After all, the A-Sun championship final would have been played in front of an empty house if a team from Nashville wasn't in it.

This is why basketball is such a joke. When the World Series was fixed Judge Landis threw out the biggest stars in the game to keep his sport legitimate.

If only Stern would do the same instead of trying to make the public idolize unlikeable individuals.
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Okay, I'll put it in terms you can understand.

Could the relevation NBA referees are (allegedly) fixing games to allow so-called "glamour" teams to win be an indication such actions trickle down to the lower levels of the sport?

Specifically, Doug Sirmon's phantom technical on Kenyona Swader against Belmont in the A-Sun Tournament, which helped secure a Nashville based team to play in the final in Music City?
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Yes the NBA fixed playoff games so they could get the exhilarating Spurs vs Cavaliers matchup in the finals.

Criminal investigation step 1, who profits from action A

Tim Donaghy is facing major prison time, he will say absolutely anything in order to get his sentence reduced. Question, who has the most to gain from Tim Donaghy's alegations? Answer, Tim Donaghy.
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Absolutely not, 22. And if you had read my post above or listened to the legal experts commenting on this you'll hear them say that if Donaghy is lying he'll have major time tacked onto his sentence.

So a man in that situation most certainly wouldn't lie.

It's readily apparent to anyone watching 10 seconds of NBA ball a year (which is about what I watch) that there's something fishy here.

Hey- Spurs have been a strong team. Cavs had the supposed most marketable star in the league.

Of course, we were talking about the 2002 Game 6 Semis, which evidently everyone with an atom of skeptism said smelled.
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I must really be getting to the guy lately. Nearly 30 percent of all the posts he's ever made have been in the last eight days.
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PittsburghBucs Wrote:Absolutely not, 22. And if you had read my post above or listened to the legal experts commenting on this you'll hear them say that if Donaghy is lying he'll have major time tacked onto his sentence.

So a man in that situation most certainly wouldn't lie.

It's readily apparent to anyone watching 10 seconds of NBA ball a year (which is about what I watch) that there's something fishy here.

Hey- Spurs have been a strong team. Cavs had the supposed most marketable star in the league.

Of course, we were talking about the 2002 Game 6 Semis, which evidently everyone with an atom of skeptism said smelled.
Thats BS

#1 his allegations are all but unprovable, no other ref or NBA exec is going to come out and back up his claim without self incrimination. He can say whatever he wants and there is no way to prove him right or wrong.

#2 The Spurs can be as strong as they like, if what you and Donaghy allege is true then the NBA would have been trying its hardest to keep the Spurs out of the NBA finals as they are a marketing nightmare. The NBA would have also tried its hardest to keep the New Jersey Nets out of the NBA finals in 2002 because they were the same marketing nightmare. Donaghy says the supposed fix is all about money, well if you're in the interest of making money above all else the Nets or Spurs are NOT the teams you want in the finals.
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#1- So you admit the fix is in.

#2- The Nets represent the largest market in the country and they're doing everything they can to push LeBron James there. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


And, of course, we were talking about Game 6 of the 2002 Series and why the home teams keep winning in the NBA playoffs.

Where do the Spurs fit into this? Nobody's mentioned one word about them.

Were they the best team in the NBA that year but the fix kept them out?

Interesting- I just heard a FOX poll and they stated 80 percent of the fans believed Donaghy, who is a more honorable man than most in the NBA.
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PittsburghBucs Wrote:#1- So you admit the fix is in.

#2- The Nets represent the largest market in the country and they're doing everything they can to push LeBron James there. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


And, of course, we were talking about Game 6 of the 2002 Series and why the home teams keep winning in the NBA playoffs.

Where do the Spurs fit into this? Nobody's mentioned one word about them.

Were they the best team in the NBA that year but the fix kept them out?

Interesting- I just heard a FOX poll and they stated 80 percent of the fans believed Donaghy, who is a more honorable man than most in the NBA.
You clearly either not listen or don't comprehend others very well.

True or not true Donagy's allegations cannot be proven wrong or right, something he understood when he made his allegations. Despite what you might think Donagy has nothing to lose and everything to gain by making his claims, he can't be proven wrong without someone else incriminating themselves and he knows that. He assumes no risk, he can only make himself look better as "cooperating with investigators".

The Nets can be as big of a market in the NJ/NY area as they want, they have zero national following, and in 2002 when they went to the NBA finals they were a marketing nightmare for the NBA(hell they still are), the Nets could/can barely sellout their arena for playoff games and that was when they were one of the top 2 seeds in the East and had one of the best records in the NBA.

The Spurs fit into this because if Donagy's allegations are true that the NBA chooses making money over the integrity of the game then the NBA would have made sure they did not make it to the NBA finals because like they nets they have little national following and are a marketing nightmare for the NBA. It doesn't matter if they were the best team in the NBA, if its all about the money as Donagy claims, then the Spurs would not have been in so many of the last NBA finals because they would not make the NBA as much money as other more popular and marketable teams.
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P-Ham, Katie, and Eddie D. Wow. All we need now is a Wayne Andrews clock tower reference, and maybe something about the CPA being on a sinkhole?


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I have a question for you.

The Pittsburgh Steelers, the Miami Dolphins, the Green Bay Packers, etc. all have national followings and none of them are in Top 10 markets.

Why then, could the San Antonio Spurs, with a rather strong winning tradition, NOT receive such a national following?

Could it be that in NBA culture, a David Robinson is considered square? That a winning tradition means less than a major market, which is why the Knicks seem to be higher on the pecking order of NBA hierarchy than the Spurs?

That in the NFL, their marketing champions the success of the team on the field than their location?

If the Nets couldn't sell out their playoff games, it is an indication that when the NBA is faced with competition from other pro sports in their market they often don't fare well.

However, I really don't think you understand why major markets are cherished in the NBA.

The idea is that for the NBA Finals, there are going to be a core group of basketball fans who will watch it no matter who the teams are.

But the casual fans are the ones who drive the ratings. The ratings will always be the highest in the markets of the teams that are participating, hence the larger the market, the larger the number of casual fans in that market who will get caught up with the home team's run.

Hence, LA vs. New Jersey is a dream TV matchup. The way the NBA markets itself, the Nets will draw more viewers than the Bucks or Pacers would.

In fact, I don't believe any of the five finals that followed Lakers-Nets gathered that series' ratings, despite the Lakers' 4-0 sweep.

Besides, you're arguing things that just aren't on the table. I heard Michael Wilbon today say that after Game 6 of the 2002 Western Finals, he left shaking his head and thought it was the worst officiated game he'd ever seen.

Perhaps you'd like to come back now with an arguement of how pro wrestling is real or that Ali's Phantom Punch really did connect with Sonny Liston.

But the bottom line is that there is no way the NBA can come out of this looking good. Their perception is that these things aren't on the up and up, and the way the 2nd Game of the Finals played out leads questioning to that contest's legitimacy as well.
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Buccaneerlover Wrote:P-Ham, Katie, and Eddie D. Wow. All we need now is a Wayne Andrews clock tower reference, and maybe something about the CPA being on a sinkhole?


MotherDucker Wrote:OHHHHHHHHHHHHH NICE POST DOCTOR!!!!!!!!!! YOU LEFT OUT A FEW THOUGH!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOW HOCKEY RATINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHH THE PENS SUCK!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHH PITTSBURGH IS THE CITY OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BOLD PREDICTIONS GONE WRONG!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE STALKING OF KATIE RALPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE HARRIS POLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH COSMO KRAMER KARATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TOMATO CANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KIM REECE WITH MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MIKE WHITE IN THE PARKING LOT!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHH PAUL HAMILTON!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DECHELLIS!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHH ORGASM!!!!!!!!!!!


He's slipping BucLover. I haven't seen a Tim Mullins refrence in ages.
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Who is Tim Mullins?
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The subject of one of your lowest comments of all time. (And as we know, that takes some doing.) And you don't even remember. Have you no shame? No. Indeed, you have no shame.
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Another instance of urban legend and being accused of saying things I never said.

What did I say? Don't just make the accusation- back it up!
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OK, although the original archives are no longer available, this is. I know it's long, but I couldn't find a good way to post only parts of it; I thought it needed full context. I've taken the trouble to go through and highlight in red the references to Tim Mullins, and highlighted in other colors pertinent comments. Sorry again for the length, but newbies need to know this stuff............
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David Mullins, KC, and Media Credentials

I don't know if you've heard this, but two radio reporters in Kansas City- Bob Fescoe and Rhonda Moss- just had their credentials taken away from them by the Kansas City Royals.

Their sin was presenting tough questioning at a press conference.

This is absurd and many organizations have gone to bat for them, but it reminds me what David Mullins did for me.

I realize it is a bit odd for a guy in the media to post on here like this. However, we have brought out several other media members and coaches on here at times and this has become- by all intents and purposes- a dream blog.

Since the other "open forum" medium in town- talk radio- does not have any teeth- this is it.

It's also the reason why Mullins hates me. Without these boards football would have been completely buried and people would still want George Pitts to be the ETSU basketball coach.

If you're not aware- I had covered ETSU- usually on my own dime- since 1996 as a radio reporter, then as a columnist for Sports Talk- back when that meant something.

They quit credentialling me when Mullins took over because he knew how critical I was of dropping football.

I basically was never told why they did this to me- but there were two main items of speculation.

One- A post I made on a board about Tim Mullins.

I have no real idea who Tim Mullins is. I never met him.

I do remember writing a column critical of him when he was involved in taking away critical placards from the student section during a basketball game.

The fact of the matter is whatever I said about Mullins- and I challenge anyone to produce it (it's probably still up there)- was tounge in cheek. Furthermore, since when do you take away a reporter's credentials because of something he says in jest on a forum such as this?

Two- The real reason- what Mike White told me when I asked for credentials and he said- off the record- that it was because of the comments I made on forums like this.

So, in other words, Bill Meade can criticize ETSU for playing football games indoors and hiring Ed DeChellis over George Pitts- and even program Science Hill games over ETSU at one point- and they'll make him the PBP man when Jay is in Iraq.

But I can't be critical of destroying the athletic program in a private forum.

I see.

But there is a parallel here to what Mullins did to me and what the Royals did to these two reporters. Both losing athletic entities embarassed themselves and reacted to reporters who challenged their incompetence.

We also saw how gutless the Tri-Cities media is for not picking up on my plight and rallying to my defense. So instead we see Kelly Hodge ignoring it and writing the company line in his columns where he interviews David Mullins and lets him have a forum unchecked with no other sources quoted.

What is ETSU going to do if he doesn't mail in his coverage of the team? Quit credentialing him?

HO! HO! You want to talk about the move that would cut off their nose to spite their face- assuming Hodge wouldn't say "I'm sorry. Yes Mr. Mullins- I'll send Joe Avento."

I dont have a current forum to cover ETSU. To tell you the truth I'm not looking for one. So being credentialed or not being credentialed doesn't mean a whole lot to me right now. It did then from a professional standpoint, it doesn't now.

But I write this post because we all know how incompetent the Royals are. And the Football Foundation is going to need all the help they can get to put down the demons that would doom them.

So here's my part. The Royals-ETSU comparison is valid.

Only the Royals fell to reach this point. David Mullins-led ETSU began here and then just went lower.
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Wow nice spin attempt Pitt. You lost your press credentials several months before Tim Mullins died. You lost you job at Sports Talk (and got banned from the board) for you comments on the board about Tim Mullins. Tim Mullins died on 3/11/2004. Dave Mullins became AD in April 2003. Not sure when you got booted but I know you were complaining about by Oct. 2003. Seems like there was something about a phone call to a a member of the volleyball team as being part of the reason you lost your press credentials. At least that is what I have heard that White told others in the department.
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Timothy L. Mullins, 47, Johnson City.

JOHNSON CITY - Timothy (Tim) L. Mullins, 48, died Thursday (March 11, 2004) of an apparent heart attack.

Tim was a member of West Colonial Hills Baptist Church and was NCAA Compliance Coordinator Athletic Department at East Tennessee State University.

Tim was preceded in death by his father, Kermit L. Mullins in 1992; and his sister, Nancy (Mullins) Chertok in 1987, who was formerly of Kingsport.

Tim is survived by his mother, Geraldine (Jeri) Copeland Mullins of Kingsport; and his brother-in-law, Mike Chertok of Bakersville, Calif.

Calling hours will be from 12 noon to 2 p.m. today at the East Lawn Funeral Home and anytime at the home of his mother.

Services will follow visitation in the funeral home chapel with the Reverend Aaron Rayburn and Mike Morgan officiating. A eulogy will be given by Dave Mullins, Athletic Director of ETSU.

Music will be under the direction of Tom and Sandy Allen and Steve Byrd of the Indian Springs Baptist Church.

Graveside services and burial will follow in the East Lawn Memorial Park.

Pallbearers will be Roger Duckworth, Tim Smith, Larry Woods, Robert (Bob) Jessee, Brian Nixon, Kevin Brooks, Michael Nance and Eddie Stanley.

Honorary pallbearers will be Mike Jones, Dave Cofer, Dave Mullins and Staff of ETSU.

In lieu of flowers contributions may be made to the East Tennessee State University Athletic Department P.O. Box 70707 Johnson City, Tenn. 37614 or the Indian Springs Baptist Church Building Fund, 325 Hill Road, Kingsport, Tenn. 37664

Please visit us online at http://www.mem.com to place a tribute to the Mullins family.

East Lawn Funeral Home is serving the Mullins family.


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Do I get blamed with the guy's death now?

I mean, I've been blamed for everything else with no cause.

Did I kill this guy?

Just curious what the board take would be.

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Show some class, Pitt.

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Pitt, this is no time to joke around. You really are a low class guy.

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Marky...quit being a prick. As far as I'm concerned it's your fault that we lost to Wake Forest last year.

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I'm not being a prick. I'm showing how absurd the board is by shooting the messenger.

I expect that out of some human cartoon character like Supe. The others I don't.

Then my logic is backed up with LP's comment.

Personally, I think I did send Mullins to the grave. My column did it.

So there you go. I am God- able to determine life and death.


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You are a prick and an incredibly small one at that to think that you get to give yourself a by-line on this one...

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And they say women don't care about size . . . .

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But are you going to give me credit for the kill?

I mean, I get wrongfully blamed for everything else here.

So I'm just curious- am I a murderer.

Quit dodging the question and answer it!

The point here isn't that a man is dead- the point is that we have to look at ourselves because certainly I would be blamed for his death with my column.


But I'm just cutting that arguement off at the pass.

Am I being disrespectful? No, because I would like to just let this news item pass.

But unfortunately because of the way some jagovs on here think- I have to head their accusations off at the pass.

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PITT, JUST WHEN I THINK YOU CANNOT STOOP ANY LOWER, YOU MIRACULOUSLY FIND A WAY!!!! TIM DIED OF A HEART ATTACK, DO YOU KNOW WHAT A HEART IS? APPARENTLY NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A HEART, YOU STILL HAVE TO BE THE FIRST CLASS B1TCH OF THE BOARD!!!!!!

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Pitt, you are perhaps the most insensitive and poorest excuse for a human being on the face of this planet. It's a damn shame that we, as decent humans, have to share the same oxygen with you.

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You know- after reading that post- I can only come to one conclusion.

You're dumb Rod. I mean you really don't know what I'm all about and you just simply don't get it.

Read that post again. Did I say I was glad he was dead? No.

All I did was say "Are you knuckleheads going to wrongly blame me for his death now?"

And evidently, you did.

So who's the sleaze now?

Furthermore, your dates are dubious.

And lastly, if White is telling people what you say, then he is two faced.

Let's face facts. There's nothing wrong with calling a lady up- one I've never spoken to- and leaving a message saying that you found her attractive and would be honored if she called you back.

No hubba hubba. No harrassment. A simple- "Hey, I know this is crazy but my name is so and so and I noticed you at the ball game and was hoping you'd call me back."

What's wrong with that?
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What you did do Pitt was keep pushing it. to the point where you actually did start claiming "credit" for killing him all in all a very sick thing. I never blamed you for his death I thought you were an incrediblely insenstive jerk to use a man's death in a message board debate. Still do, to me that make you a whole lot less then sleaze.


As for my dates being being Dubious.

Dave Mullins was named AD in Arpil of 2003.

Here is brief bit of that article.

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By Kelly Hodge
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East Tennessee State has looked far and wide over the last decade for stability at the head of its athletic department.
Turns out the university needed to look no further than its own tennis program.

Longtime tennis coach Dave Mullins was named director of intercollegiate athletics on a permanent basis Monday by ETSU president Dr. Paul Stanton. Mullins, 56, had been the interim AD for the last four months


Tim Mullins died on March 11. 2004. See the newspaper article in the thread I posted so there are 2 of the dates set in stone, nothing dubious at all.

The 3rd, when you lost your press credentials. You yourself said in this thread you lost them when Dave Mullins took over as AD, which was either April 2003 when he got the job permently or 4 months earlier when he was named intern AD. either way almost a full year before Tim Mullins died. Can't have it both ways Pitt, nice try though. spinning it to look like they were related and figuring it happened so long ago nobody would notice the huge time difference between the 2 events. Also here is a post from Nov 3. 2003 where you state you had lost you press credentials. I said I remember you complaining about it in Oct of 2003. Nailed it pretty well so I just confirmed all 3 of my so called dubious dates. So what else you wanna try to do and spin this Pitt?

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What they have is too much power. They actually knew I was the only one who would really criticize them, so they took away my media credentials.

Using, incidentily, our conversation about women's soccer as the reason. Yes, I said women's soccer was a trash sport and I don't like it. I don't. I'm putting off writing two articles on women's soccer for the PG now.


Supe, you know that I don't give a damn about women's soccer, but I wasn't saying how I'd like to shag the team. I know enough never to do something like that.

But even if I had, SO EFFIN WHAT? This is a message board. It's an open exchange of ideas. And I don't cover the Bucs for the message board, I cover them for Sports Talk.

Incidentily, for someone like me to gather such strong responces on local athletics and for the local radio stations to ignore me as a sports talk host speaks very little about radio programming in the Tri-Cities.

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Rod, all you're doing is playing into the hands of those who killed football.

What's your point? That David Mullins would never take credentials away from someone who disagreed with him?

Please.

Clearly I'm on your side, but you're just too stupid to know it. Just like you're too bigoted to appriciate Ed DeChellis.

Now then, Sherlock, lets's just look at your timeline.

What, pray tell, am I going to apply to be credentialed to cover at ETSU in April of 2003?

I didn't apply for any credentials until the last football season.

Actually, the truth was I asked to see if I could get a credential for the last football game and was told by Mike White not to bother- essentially because I was critical of him.

"Well, we know what you write on that board."

So what? What happened to freedom of speech? If I have to write idiot crap like Greg Randolph did about David Mullins' enthusiasm and look like a complete goober in doing so- well- in the words of Vic Ferrari- "You can just keep your trophy!"

The only time I had any problem getting them is when Mullins was in charge and after I wrote columns critical of the decision to drop football.

That's a fact. It also occurred BEFORE the Tim Mullins thing (which clearly is a non-incident, as the above thread clearly indicates) and many, many months after the other incident you mentioned.

Finally, on the Tim Mullins thing, I am responding to the idiots (like you) who said that was a factor.

However, if it makes you feel any better-


I will openly root for your death and a trip to eternal damnation if it makes you feel any better. ;-)
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You have to get through the fact you don't like me because I'm from the north (but hell, you'll root for the Steelers!) or have called you an idiot or now, where I am showing your investigative skills are actually pretty bad and I can only assume that's why you're not playing Jim Rockford for a living anymore.

You don't, and you keep up this line of posting, you'll only play into the hands of those who killed ETSU sports.
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Pitt,

You post stuff trying to spin something one way. I post the actual facts and you twist in a different direction and try and blame me.

In your first post You are the one who brought up Tim Mullins death as a possible factor in you losing your press pass.

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I basically was never told why they did this to me- but there were two main items of speculation.

One- A post I made on a board about Tim Mullins.


I showed how that was total BS so you do a 180 and posted this
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That's a fact. It also occurred BEFORE the Tim Mullins thing (which clearly is a non-incident, as the above thread clearly indicates) and many, many months after the other incident you mentioned.


I know it was a non factor. I was the one who posted the "above thread"

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I never said it was a factor you are the one who raised that question.

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Do I get blamed with the guy's death now?

I mean, I've been blamed for everything else with no cause.

Did I kill this guy?

Just curious what the board take would be

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What, pray tell, am I going to apply to be credentialed to cover at ETSU in April of 2003?

I didn't apply for any credentials until the last football season


I never said you were denied credentials in April of 2003, you are the one who implied it in your first post.

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Mullins become AD in April 2003 so the implication is there.
I said I remembered you started complianing about it around Oct 2003 and propuced a post from you in early Nov of 2003 saying you had been denied. Oct-Nov.. hmm football season. Yep I had covered that

You keep harping on my time line and it being dubious trying to say I had it all wrong

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Now then, Sherlock, lets's just look at your timeline.


Well I mentioned 3 dates. When Dave Mullins became AD. when you were denied your press creds and when Tim Mullins died. I backed up everyone of the dates I posted.

As for you being blamed for Tim Mullins death. You were the first person to bring it up in the original thread. posted above and no one who responded to you claimed that, they just called you various names being such an insenstive jerk. You are the one who kept bring it up in that thread to the point you actually started claiming credit for it. You took something pretty damn stupid to start with and pushed even farther.

So this thread you try and deflect things with

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Read that post again. Did I say I was glad he was dead? No

I never accused you in either thread of saying you were glad he was dead.


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They are working very well as I have proven several times. However you ability to spin really sucks. Making 180 turnarounds in the same thread really makes it hard for anyone to believe anything you post.

This has nothing to with playing into those who killed ETSU football this me exposing your lies and half truths again.

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Trying to have it both way again Pitt, almost missed it.

You say that you weren't denied credentials until several months after your phone call to the volleyball player. Pointing out that couldn't have been a factor since it happened several months before. Well you made that call in Jan of 2003 ( I can post the thread if you like) Around same time Dave took over as interm. But as you point out below you didn't bother asking for press credentials between April 2003 when Mullins took over until football season. Did you apply in Feb or March I bet you didn't? See you don't really know when or why you got blacklisted only when you found out by being denied.


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What, pray tell, am I going to apply to be credentialed to cover at ETSU in April of 2003?

I didn't apply for any credentials until the last football season.

Actually, the truth was I asked to see if I could get a credential for the last football game and was told by Mike White not to bother- essentially because I was critical of him.

"Well, we know what you write on that board."

So what? What happened to freedom of speech? If I have to write idiot crap like Greg Randolph did about David Mullins' enthusiasm and look like a complete goober in doing so- well- in the words of Vic Ferrari- "You can just keep your trophy!"

The only time I had any problem getting them is when Mullins was in charge and after I wrote columns critical of the decision to drop football.

That's a fact. It also occurred BEFORE the Tim Mullins thing (which clearly is a non-incident, as the above thread clearly indicates) and many, many months after the other incident you mentioned.


Good job Pitt trying to spin it so that a future event (Tim's death) was a factor in you being blacklisted but a past event (the call) couldn't have been a factor because it happened several months before. But by your own statement you don't know when it happened only when you found out.

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pitt is a stalker. pitt is a stalker. pitt is a stalker. pitt is a stalker. i heard the volleyball chick went into hiding. pitt=stalker.
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Actually, nothing has been proven here except that Shaw shills for the ETSU athletic dept.

If you wish to believe I was an insensitive jerk because of the above thread, I can't help you. Clearly the posters there overreacted.

So you tell me. Supposedly Mullins death wasn't a factor- I am only stating what I've heard- just like you.

Since you're the only one on here who actually believes your tripe, tell me-

WHY AFTER SEVEN YEARS WAS I SUDDENLY DENIED?

And why in the world would you think, since I'm the only one in the media who would take ETSU to task (and you see what happens to you when you do- you have to put up with morons like Shaw), that is a good thing?

Can you imagine if I was still doing columns criticizing those guys? You'd have so much support to bring back football it would be incredible.

Instead, we have the JC Press writing editorials preaching skeptism and the rest of the media ignoring the effort or theorizing the team should be D-II.

You're saying Mullins hiring was not a factor. I'm telling you it was the only one- and you damn well know it.
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It is stuff like this that made SoConHoops a worthless board. Please stop this. You guys are both on the same side of the important issues, so stop this pissing contest.
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RockyTop- I agree with you wholeheartedly.

So quit posting crap trying to damage my character Rod. It isn't becoming of you.

I'm the only friend the guys wanting to save football have. DOn't you see that?
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PittsburghBucs Wrote:
Since you're the only one on here who actually believes your tripe, tell me-

WHY AFTER SEVEN YEARS WAS I SUDDENLY DENIED?


You're saying Mullins hiring was not a factor. I'm telling you it was the only one- and you damn well know it.


I am not posting anything but posts by YOU Pitt so if it is tripe that that doesn't speak well of you. I never said the Mullins hiring wasn't a factor. Go back and carefully read what I wrote. Probably was a factor but you certainly didn't help your case any making posts about female atheletes on the SoCon board. For whatever ever reason you got banned you gave them a great excuse to ban you. As someone who is a writer you should be more careful what you put you name to no matter if it is a newspaper article or a message on this forum. You gave them the ammo in your arrogance and they shot you down.

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Shaw, you have a great ability to change the subject of direct questions.

So here's one I don't want you to dodge.

What did I say about female athletes?

Uh, nothing.

Simply put, Mullins did this to save his own @ss and he had NO cause to do so.
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Lets see it mostly comes down to posts about 1 player. You take all of those posts that made reference to her add in all you posts where you talk about liking porn so much. Toss in the fact you actually called said player and for whatever reason she felt the need to report it to one of her advisors and you have an easy recipe for finding grounds to revoke your press privileges. All the negative posts and articles abouts Mullins and the school were just icing on the cake. Pitt right or wrong when you called Katie without going thru the SID that alone was grounds to revoke if they wanted to push it and in your case they did. Like I said in your arrogance you made it easy for them.

The first post that started it all but not the last.


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First of all, words hurt.

Second of all, I'd like Big Guy and the rest of the scubs to look at Tiras Wade here and tell me he's not that far from having Bernard Jackson's hair-do, which was, unquestionably, the coolest haircut I have seen on the basketball court in quite some time.

So, despite the team's appriciation of the crowd, which they do, this was not a good taunt.

THAT SAID- I must ask the Scubs or whoever a question here.

Chick sitting with you in the Eddie George jersey. Long brunette hair. George jersey was TIGHT. Kind of tall.
WHO IS THIS CHICK? I was going to say hi to her but never got the chance. The C of C color guy held me up asking me about a column I wrote in Sports Talk and I couldn't break free unless I made a serious social gaffe (which now I wish I had).

At this point, I don't care about ethics in journalism or how this looks or whatever.

I just want to know if the Scubs can tell me WHO THIS CHICK IS!!!!

You want me down at another game? Heck, I'll cover sheet shooting if you can produce this woman in the audience!!!!

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This is funny stuff. As an independent 3rd party, one who has never engaged in "conversation" with either of you, I would say that if this stuff is true, PITT is a truly sick individual. Taking credit for someone's death AND stalking a volleyball player...wow! Nicely done! 04-dirtyvegas
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Well, that's just it- I didn't do either one of these things.

Just how does one stalk someone from 400 miles away?

Furthermore, where are the criminal documents?

COME ON ROD! SHOW US YOUR PI SKILLS! WE KNOW YOU WERE THE BEST!

Go to the courthouse and produce the document.

Either that, or lose ALL credibilty for believing an urban legend that has absolutely no truth.

You know- it's one thing to be turned down for a date. It's another to be subjected to this.

Then again, I'm sure it's better than how Rod does with the ladies.
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Take this to the smack board please. It's gotten quite irritating to read on here from BOTH OF YOU. If need be we can take you to LittleBucs and let you play in the sandbox with the other children.
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And you have the gall to ask "Who is Tim Mullins?"
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Now that my friends is backing it up. Can't wait to see how Pitt trys and wiggle and sping his way out this one. He asked for proof and by golly doc gave it to him in spades.

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You're comments about Tim Mullins among other things speak for themselves. As a member of the media you have to show some respect to get any, no matter what market you're in.
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What did I say about Tim Mullins?

WHO is Tim Mullins?
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Why don't we ask your former employer SportsTalk, or maybe those still on the uncg board, or mommabear, or I'm sure Rod remembers well...
I lurked back then, I remember the comments made...
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My former employers at Sports Talk no longer run the magazine (and it shows).

That is why I don't write for them any more.

Kim and Rod are reactionaries- lest we forget her tantrum here because we had the audacity to ask "how come we haven't heard more nuts and bolts from the Football Foundation?"

We have just rejoiced over Trey Williams' column asking "why didn't anyone have the guts to write this?"

You know, when I did write stuff that exposed the ETSU administration- such as Tim Mullins' harassment of students in the crowd at an ETSU game- instead of championing me, you and so many other two-faced "people" attacked me.
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