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It looks like someone needs a screen name change to "Owl Hating Hen Pimp" seeing as how just about every post is aimed in that direction anyway.
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Bearcats#1 Wrote:I like Delaware's location for sure.
Yep ... it is a wonderful location ... for the ACC.

Give us Rutgers.. the Big East can take Delaware.
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Bearcats#1 Wrote:I like Delaware's location for sure.
Yep ... it is a wonderful location ... for the ACC.

Give us Rutgers.. the Big East can take Delaware.

Rutgers would morew than likely be in contention to win the acc every year, just like BC and VT. 02-13-banana
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Only Syracuse wouldn't contend for the ACC crown.
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bitcruncher Wrote:Only Syracuse wouldn't contend for the ACC crown.

They'd have to settle for second place.05-stirthepot
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I know people probably think I am really anti-Memphis and that is not totally true. But I do wonder why a post about Delaware ends up being about Memphis. It seems that every post on here ends up being about Memphis. I think we have heard every argument in the books about Memphis and their upside, downside, topside to the point where they can kiss my backside. I think I would be a bigger fan of Memphis if I didn't feel like they were being shoved down my throat at every turn. Hell, they are the number one team I love to hate.

Back to Delaware, They have a fantastic football program and tradition in DII, That's all I know about them.
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The only thing I know about Delaware is they have not once, but twice, studied moving up to Divison I. Both times the study came back stating that is would not be possible. This is yet another Big East pipe dream. File this along side the Penn State and BC coming home wishful thoughts.
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RE: Fuel for the fire...
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Orange Eagles Wrote:I'm not saying that I am a supporter of Delaware, I just started this thread to stir the pot and I found that article to be interesting. Though it does offer some interesting potential, there are other candidates if needed that would probably make more sense at the end of the day than upgrading a I-AA schools. I can't help responding to all this Memphis talk, though.

I just don't see the benefit of Memphis.

Built in rivalries with two BE schools? Hmm, I'm not sure that's a top priority.

A New Years Day bowl game? Well, the BE now has a new bowl in St. Pete and in two years will negotiate some better deals, so I can't say one bowl game in a stadium that's in disrepair is too much of a big deal.

Arkansas and Missouri? Well I think Boston and Philly speak a bit louder. I can't say that capturing western Tennessee and parts of those midwestern states is a good fit for the Big EAST!

I know many of you just really want to be in the same conference with the Tigers again and some of you clearly are Memphis fans and wish to be in a BCS conference. I just don't see the benefit. I could be wrong in the end, but call me unimpressed by the prospect of Memphis joining the conference. Not for a lack of quality athletics, but for what it doesn't bring to the table and how it doesn't much fit with (most of) the conference's schools.

You say Boston, but you prob aren't going to see BC come back. So what are you saying? UMass is the only other school that has proved to deliver Boston.

I don't see the state university of Delaware delivering Baltimore or Philly either. Although if Temple and Delaware were brought along that would be a nice rivalry week gridiron game.
I'm not saying anything, actually, since nothing is changing for the immediate future anyway. I'm also not implying that I am a fan of bringing in Delaware or anything like that. Just up for some discussion.

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Orange Eagles Wrote:I just don't see the benefit of Memphis.


Quote:Built in rivalries with two BE schools? Hmm, I'm not sure that's a top priority.

No, but worth SOMETHING - especially in TV negotiations. The basketball rivalries are nationally known.

Quote:A New Years Day bowl game? Well, the BE now has a new bowl in St. Pete and in two years will negotiate some better deals, so I can't say one bowl game in a stadium that's in disrepair is too much of a big deal.

Class and tradition count in bowl games. The Liberty Bowl is now 50 years old and has a long list of very prestigious participants.

Quote:Arkansas and Missouri? Well I think Boston and Philly speak a bit louder. I can't say that capturing western Tennessee and parts of those midwestern states is a good fit for the Big EAST!

I believe ratings analysts speak in terms of "area of dominant influence". The NBA was apparently favorably impressed with the numbers.

Quote:call me unimpressed by the prospect of Memphis joining the conference. Not for a lack of quality athletics, but for what it doesn't bring to the table and how it doesn't much fit with (most of) the conference's schools.

Memphis is closer to most BE schools than Tampa, has an established nationally known rivalry with two members, and like most BE schools is an urban institution. In our view, we certainly think the BE is our best fit.
Well you are entitled to your own opinion and I am entitled to mine.

cardtopper Wrote:I know people probably think I am really anti-Memphis and that is not totally true. But I do wonder why a post about Delaware ends up being about Memphis. It seems that every post on here ends up being about Memphis. I think we have heard every argument in the books about Memphis and their upside, downside, topside to the point where they can kiss my backside. I think I would be a bigger fan of Memphis if I didn't feel like they were being shoved down my throat at every turn. Hell, they are the number one team I love to hate.
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My sentiments exactly. I don't recall mentioning Memphis in the title or in my original post. Half of the posters on these forums are Memphis fans that take over topics talking about why they want Memphis to be in the Big East. And then I have to keep saying why I don't want Memphis in the BE 03-lol
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There is a new president at the University of Delaware.He,is looking to upgrade sports at the school.They have a endowment of close to $2billion dollars.
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Your darn right that I want Memphis in the Big East 04-cheers
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CardinalJim Wrote:The only thing I know about Delaware is they have not once, but twice, studied moving up to Divison I. Both times the study came back stating that is would not be possible. This is yet another Big East pipe dream. File this along side the Penn State and BC coming home wishful thoughts.
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I've heard this somewhere before. The thing with Delaware is, while the funds may be there, the school really likes being the big fish in our FCS pond. UDelaware thinks they can make more money at FCS that they would in a non-AQ conf (Think MAC or C-USA); and they're probably right. Both UD and UMASS are in a similar boat here.

On Temple: I don't HATE the owls. It's just I'm reluctant to support re-admitting a school that struggled as much as Temple did in football. Let's be honest, the school was the Big East version of Duke: 20-25k attendance average in a BCS conference and 2-3 wins a season. I think the school can improve; I really can. They are smack-dab within the 4th biggest metro area in the nation. There's just so much competition in the Philly area: Like Rutgers, Penn State, the Eagles, that I'm just not sold on it. I'm also not sold on the partial-member angle if only because Virginia Tech and West Virginia performed brilliantly under the EXACT same circumstances. 03-lmfao

Need a different analogy? I think Delaware's worst case scenario is bringing a 500k market, drawing between 30-35k a game, and occasionally flirt with .500. If the school can expand the stadium, the potential is there for an average attendance in that range. If Temple can't get football off the ground, will they continue on the same path? Do we get a school as good as invisible in Philadelphia, drawing 20k a game, and being overmatched in Big East play? [Imagine a mid-90's Houston in the Big East]. After just one MAC season, I'm just not convinced Temple has it's act together yet.

I'm all for the wait and see side of expansion. Wait 5 or 10 years and see which Northern program is ahead. Right now, I'd take Central Florida or Memphis way before i'd start looking at Temple or FCS canidates. But at the same time, I think the post-split Big East has to look at options within the original footprint down the road; especially if we lose Rutgers.

And if you put a gun to my head and made me choose between Delaware and Temple; I'd choose UD. Philly or No Philly, Delaware has proven it can draw fans to its games. Temple has not. That, more than any other factor, is a sign of a healthy football program and what I look for in a Big East team. One of the major reasons ECU [and to a lesser degree, Marshall] comes up as an expansion canidate is because of its active fanbase; UD can probably draw what they do if they gave FBS a try (though I really doubt they can travel as well as ECU can).

(I post alot on UD because I follow conference realignment, mostly future Big East canidates. In fact, that's what brought me here in the first place; due to the chaotic conference nature of the Big East, news tends to break here before other places. I don't even live in the Northeast: I'm born and raised in Knoxville, Tennessee, home of the Big Orange Army 03-banghead)
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Lurker, Knoxville doesn't get news on The BEast as fast as it comes out of West Virginia. Trust me. My father is retired from the Charleston Daily Mail, and I work for the Knoxville News Sentinel. I always go to the Charleston papers for my Big East news. Knoxville's coverage of The BEast sucks.
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Deleware is out of the question. Even if they build a 50,000 stadium. Selling tickets is one thing but the trend is TV market potential just ask BTN.
Temple is in the fourth largest market in the nation. Nobody is coming up north and passing on Phil for Delaware. It's not only the people who come to the games but the people who watch away games on television- the TV deals bring in more $$$ than stadium attendance- just ask the BTN. Let's follow the money this time. IT's about television cable networks. Let's set ourselves up to win. Buffalo would be a smarter market than Delaware and Buffalo is just a city. Delaware is a state. At least the Buffalo market can support pro football. As does the Phil market.
Also remember Temple has played and beaten most current BE teams in their day. They won't be "re-admitted" into the BE. THey will be "fully joining" the BE for the first time in their history. The hybrid nature of their past BE association hurt their identity. I sure their admins know the deal. LEt's see what they do this year with their schedule.

Partial membership in BE for FB by VT and WVU. There was no BE member blocking the full membership of either of these schools. Temple knew as long as Villanova was in the BE, Temple would never have full membership. Up north, the focus in those years was no BB first. VT and WVU focused on FB first because they were more "southern" in culture. What northern team flourished in the old BE before the split. Not RUtgers, Syracuse had its day. UCONN wasn't even thinking Div 1.

This is a new day and a new attitude toward FB by northeastern colleges. IT's becoming a completely different culture in the northeast since the raid. It becoming a completely different culture in terms of marketing and making money off college sports. The BTN is eyeing Rutgers for their market. For the BE to pass on Phil. for Delaware is just not smartly looking ahead. If we capture Delaware, we're still broke. If we capture Phil. were loaded. Delaware is not on anybody's radar.
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frogman Wrote:Deleware is out of the question. Even if they build a 50,000 stadium. Selling tickets is one thing but the trend is TV market potential just ask BTN.

Ummm Newark, DE (where the school is located) is essentially a suburb of Philly. Delaware would bring more market than U Buffalo.
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frogman Wrote:Deleware is out of the question. Even if they build a 50,000 stadium. Selling tickets is one thing but the trend is TV market potential just ask BTN.

Ummm Newark, DE (where the school is located) is essentially a suburb of Philly. Delaware would bring more market than U Buffalo.

Does that mean people in Phil are going to root for Delaware, when they have a major university right there in Phil? Temple has had success in FB and BB in its history. Success would be a first time in both sports for Delaware.
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I wouldn't call a MAC member, who isn't expected to challenge for the MAC title for the foreseeable future, a major university. I don't care how big it is.
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Major, not in a sports sense, but in the number of people from the community that attend the school. NYU is a major university in NYC but it doesn't play division one. Temple is one of the major universities in Phil. It may very well be the largest university in that city.
All those locals who are connected to Temple probably won't root for UD.

P.S. Delaware fans are showing up because Delaware FB is winning. Last year the Fightin Blue Hens went 11-4 and advanced to the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision national championship game in December.

Whatever that means.
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Trust me. Temple may educate Philly, but they are a minor player.
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Temple went 4-4 in the MAC for FB and 11-5 in the A10 for BB. In BB they finished ahead of a Umass team that beat Syracuse twice and BC once last year. They also beat Umass.

They are still a hybrid within a hybrid with no conference identity. How much growing could WVU's BB have done if only their FB was in the BE? Temple has never had the chance to pull their athletics together under the same conference umbrella (thanks to Villanova. Temple always got a raw deal from the BE.) For me the point is markets, history and potential. Nobody available in the northeast has a greater potential.
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Delaware does not need the city of Philadelphia,it needs its suburbs.Northern New Castle County is just another southern philly suburb.
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