Cubanbull Wrote:Native
There has always been something to separate teams, it used to be conferences and now its the BCS.
The reality is that teams that are close by would not play each other if one team thinks it has n advantage in perception and recruiting and it stands to lose more by playing that game.

LSU doesnt play Tulane on a yearly basis for this same reason.

Why do you "make up" falsehoods?

LSU and Tulane started a 10 year home-home series in 2006.

Also...by your last statement...Colorado, from the Big 12, should never play non-bcs Colorado St...even though they are located only about an hour apart?

Also...UK, a member of the BCS SEC...should have never started their fun home-home series with Louisville...which was just a non-bcs Independent team back in 1994.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:Native
There has always been something to separate teams, it used to be conferences and now its the BCS.
The reality is that teams that are close by would not play each other if one team thinks it has n advantage in perception and recruiting and it stands to lose more by playing that game.

LSU doesnt play Tulane on a yearly basis for this same reason.

Why do you "make up" falsehoods?

LSU and Tulane started a 10 year home-home series in 2006.

Also...by your last statement...Colorado, from the Big 12, should never play non-bcs Colorado St...even though they are located only about an hour apart?

Also...UK, a member of the BCS SEC...should have never started their fun home-home series with Louisville...which was just a non-bcs Independent team back in 1994.

Does that mean that Central Florida is going to agree to play play annual home-and-home games with Florida Atlantic and Florida International?

Cubanbull Wrote:There has always been something to separate teams, it used to be conferences and now its the BCS.

Cuban, are you saying that the BCS now acts, effectively, as a kind of national super-conference? And that a major part of its agenda is to keep non-members locked outside?

I think both of those things are completely true. That's why I refer to it as the Cartel.

Somebody else has already pointed out the current Tulane-LSU deal, so I'll let that pass.

Cubanbull Wrote:Dont try to rationalize it. Is like talking with people with bipolar syndrome.

1. I dont want to play them. I rather we play someone else. we dont need them.
2. Why are they playing someone else and not us. It doesnt make sense.

Its like a teenager that wants a date, gets turned down and then goes on a rant on why the date should happen, but to save face it says he doesnt really like her and has better dates available. But would jump on that date if asked to. LOL

UC gets the same stuff. UC is in C-USA and the other Ohio schools won't give us the time of day and call us overrated, etc. We move into the Big East, have a couple of bowl years and Top 25 season (like USF), now the same schools are saying that UC isn't "big time" but in the same breath call us egomaniacs for not having them on the schedule. But they don't say a word about Ohio State "being scared of them". UCF fans never mention that Miami, Florida and Florida State are "scared of them". They just focus on USF. I get the feeling that the reason those schools focus on UC and USF is that they're upset that we have recently "moved up" to a BCS conference and are afraid that people will start, or are starting, to perceive UC and USF to be above those schools.

and do you want to talk about the deal? If im correct LSU has special conditions on that deal that gives them extra revenue from Tulane's home games. So it is not an equal deal..
You are picking on ONE of my posts examples. LSU-Tulane have a long history of playing so they would be more willing to play each other on and off.but in 1994 it was ended. As I said before they will play on and off but it wont be a long term yearly event.
care to explain my other examples?
We signed you guys for a FOUR year home-home 50-50 deal so that was even more equitable than what Tulane got from LSU. Im not saying we will not play ever but it wont be ayearly thing.

I don't think any school has an inherent obligation to play another non-conference opponent every year. But when a school only has 7 league games and has to fill out 5 OOC's every season, and there's a school with comparable demographics and enrollment just 80 miles up the road... yeah it does seem like a good idea.

As for UCF playing FIU and FAU-- if I were UCF I would want to play one game a year in the Miami area. Ideally I would probably try to rotate that game between the Canes and the 2 Sun Belt teams.

Isn't the LSU/Tulane and old, tradition rich rivlary? I'm pretty sure that is an old rivalry going back 100 years. There is no way you can compare that rivalry to USF/UCF. That is also more of a money series for Tulane who are having financial problems.

Cubanbull Wrote:LSU has special conditions on that deal that gives them extra revenue from Tulane's home games. So it is not an equal deal.

Yes, that is true.

Native Georgian Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:There has always been something to separate teams, it used to be conferences and now its the BCS.

Cuban, are you saying that the BCS now acts, effectively, as a kind of national super-conference? And that a major part of its agenda is to keep non-members locked outside?

I think both of those things are completely true. That's why I refer to it as the Cartel.

Somebody else has already pointed out the current Tulane-LSU deal, so I'll let that pass.

Absolutely you dont think the BCS coaches talk about that separation when recruiting? Our own coach was very direct about it saying even before we got into BE that he was constantly asked about playing for NC and how the BCS made it impossble for teams outside of that label to ever be in position to do it. Chances are that he would have left if USF was not in BE.
As for the LSU-Tulane series. As I stated below we all know that it had along history but since it ended in 94 LSU was not eager to play it again. Yes a 10 game series was signed but you know that as part of that deal LSU got special terms to keep money from the Tualne home games. Do you really think LSU is gung ho about keeping the series going, specialy if Tulane becomes competitive? Do you think that an LSU win does the same for them in image and reputation as a Tulane win does for them?

KnightLight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:...oh btw, as KL will likely back me up on this...I've been a longtime proponent of the series.

That's true...at least publicly.

...so are you saying that you are now reading what I'm writing on the rivals premium board? Why doesn't that surprise me...

No he is standing outside your bedroom door listening to your dreams. LOL

Cubanbull Wrote:Absolutely you dont think the BCS coaches talk about that separation when recruiting?

Of course they do.

Quote:Our own coach was very direct about it saying even before we got into BE that he was constantly asked about playing for NC and how the BCS made it impossible for teams outside of that label to ever be in position to do it.

I am sure he did say those things. That simply proves my point of how harmful and destructive the Cartel is. It has created-- within Division I-- a new and separate classification of athletic competition, unsanctioned and unrecognized by the NCAA, and then on top of that uses the media's money to enforce it and prevent anyone else from moving up (or down), regardless of performance on the field. Since college sports became "organized" in the 1880s-1890s, there is no precedent for it, whatsoever. It really is un-American.

Quote:Chances are that he would have left if USF was not in BE.

How can you possibly put any trust or confidence in someone like that?

Is reality would you stay at a company that had a glass cealing and did not give you a shot at moving higher if you were capable for it?
Would you stay at your company knowing thats it you cant go any higher and another company came in and offerd you a chance at continuing up the ladder?
He has always been very up front about his status at USF and he loves being there and feels that with BE membership he can acomplish at USF everything he could at Alabama or any other college. I rather have that than have someone that lies and would say im not going anywhere and moves on. But we all know that nothing in life is certain and things change and decisions you make today you might not had made 5 years ago.
Leavitt lives and breathes USF football and that makes it hard for his assistants because he expects the same from them. Im very happy we have him.

It is one thing if the "glass ceiling" is installed by the very company or institution you are working for. For instance, if you become the head football coach at Stetson-- just to take an example-- it is understood that Stetson does not seek or desire to have a "big time" football program.

But at UCF, that "glass ceiling" is put in place by people and institutions over which UCF has little or no influence. Not the same thing.

I never said it was fair but thats reality. even in the business world there are those cealings. If you think a mom and pop company has the same shot at landing a huge contract then you are being naive.

We like to believe that everyone in America has the same shot at greatness and have an even field but the reality is that is not and who you are and who you work for has alot do with what you can accomplish. There are exceptions but if George Bush had been born to a lower middle class family he would not had been president of our country.

Quote:Tell that to Oklahoma State who played in at Joe Robbie Stadium last year against FAU.

Big difference in playing in Miami then playing in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Big Difference in playing in a 70,000 seat stadium compared to a 17,000 seat stadium.

Quote:This deal makes sense for USF, although it's not a real 'sexy' looking game on the calendar.

Playing at a current 1-aa, soon to be a first year Div 1 team at their 17,000 seat stadium does not make sense no matter how many excuses you use.

Quote:1. USF is primed to make a good run at a BCS championship in 2009 with a Grothe and Mike Ford led upperclassman heavy team.

There is no way in hell, even at a 12-0 record would a team that plays Wofford, WKU, FIU and Indiana ever make the national championship game.

Quote:2. In 2010, USF will be breaking in a new QB and will have the luxury of......SEVEN.....home games. Whenever you are breaking a new QB, you'll take 7 home games anytime.

No one is trashing the WKU home game, it is the 1 for 1 usf signed.

Quote:3. Unlike UCiF, USF actually plays a challenging conference schedule. If USF is good enough it will get all the recognition it needs to be ranked if it does well in conference.

Now you want us to believe that you usf is all of a sudden playing in the SEC? That excuse works for UF, not USF.

Quote:4. USF gave UCiF a shot to make a compelling argument why this series should be extended. Instead, fans have been treated to two blowouts that were over by halftime. Manufactured rivalries don't work. Thus while UCiF fans can whine all they want, the onus was on them....and they simply failed.

There you go changing history again. This series was not going to be extended no matter what and your AD, Jim Leavitt went on every media outlet and said as much. The proof is obvious, when USF is willing to do 1 for 1's with WKU and Ball State, there is nothing you can argue with.

Quote:5. Finally, USF hasn't been able to find a lot of mid-level BCS programs to play them home-and-home. None of these types of teams want to play and lose to a team that has been around less than 12 years. Louisville experienced the same thing after their big year. IF anything else I'm expecting some contracts to be broken if the Bulls continue at their current pace.

And your point only proves the ignorance of your coach. Gee, lets cancel a series that practically sells out every year and go hunting for the unknown.

Quote:BTW...if UCiF fans don't care, why are they here?

1 for 1 with WKU

31-14, 24-17, 64-12

crying for more!!!!.

What does "UCiF" stand for?

Hey Guru.....get over it.

USF did not cancel the series, they simply fullfilled the terms of the contract, something that UCiF has had a hard time doing recently with their contracts against BigEast foes.

Move on. USF gave UCiF their shot and your Tinmen failed miserably. Everything written by you is just sour grapes. If UCiF would have made it a series, it would have been impossible politically for USF to not renew the series. Instead UCiF gave us this....



Another Blood Bath in Tampa

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

Quote:Tell that to Oklahoma State who played in at Joe Robbie Stadium last year against FAU.

Big difference in playing in Miami then playing in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Big Difference in playing in a 70,000 seat stadium compared to a 17,000 seat stadium.

Quote:This deal makes sense for USF, although it's not a real 'sexy' looking game on the calendar.

Playing at a current 1-aa, soon to be a first year Div 1 team at their 17,000 seat stadium does not make sense no matter how many excuses you use.

Quote:1. USF is primed to make a good run at a BCS championship in 2009 with a Grothe and Mike Ford led upperclassman heavy team.

There is no way in hell, even at a 12-0 record would a team that plays Wofford, WKU, FIU and Indiana ever make the national championship game.

Quote:2. In 2010, USF will be breaking in a new QB and will have the luxury of......SEVEN.....home games. Whenever you are breaking a new QB, you'll take 7 home games anytime.

No one is trashing the WKU home game, it is the 1 for 1 usf signed.

Quote:3. Unlike UCiF, USF actually plays a challenging conference schedule. If USF is good enough it will get all the recognition it needs to be ranked if it does well in conference.

Now you want us to believe that you usf is all of a sudden playing in the SEC? That excuse works for UF, not USF.

Quote:4. USF gave UCiF a shot to make a compelling argument why this series should be extended. Instead, fans have been treated to two blowouts that were over by halftime. Manufactured rivalries don't work. Thus while UCiF fans can whine all they want, the onus was on them....and they simply failed.

There you go changing history again. This series was not going to be extended no matter what and your AD, Jim Leavitt went on every media outlet and said as much. The proof is obvious, when USF is willing to do 1 for 1's with WKU and Ball State, there is nothing you can argue with.

Quote:5. Finally, USF hasn't been able to find a lot of mid-level BCS programs to play them home-and-home. None of these types of teams want to play and lose to a team that has been around less than 12 years. Louisville experienced the same thing after their big year. IF anything else I'm expecting some contracts to be broken if the Bulls continue at their current pace.

And your point only proves the ignorance of your coach. Gee, lets cancel a series that practically sells out every year and go hunting for the unknown.

Quote:BTW...if UCiF fans don't care, why are they here?

1 for 1 with WKU

For someone who claims they don't care, you sure do care. Clearly you're obsessed with USF, and angry that the series with UCF will end.