zibby Wrote:They only went 3-5 in the most mediocre MAC in a decade.

Any more questions?


If we want crappy teams that are only going to make the Big East look like a minor league, why not add Northeastern, too?

Well, football is not the only sport. They did go dancing. BTW, the MAC was very well balanced last year, I thought they did well.

animus Wrote:note i tried to edit and didn't work... i meant to write vanderbilt not vaderbilt. my fault

I never thought of Vandy being part of the 'Dark Side of the Force'. They are the one school in the SEC that cares about academics.

zibby Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:If Temple were to win the MAC this year I'm sure you'd see a lot more fans become advocates for them.

If I were to nail Marissa Miller this year, would I see a lot more people become advocates for me?


Let's speculate on that for a while.

In a world where Kansas can win 12 games and the Orange Bowl Temple winning the MAC is hardly out of the realm of possibility.

-Temple is a basketball school, just like UConn, Syracuse, and Cincinnati, and even Louisville was at one point. They went to last years dance, unlike two of those schools.

-If there is an even split, the Philly market is essential. Yes, they do have a bigger impact than Penn.

-The football coach is young and enthusiastic, this is not the same Temple. Since this would be a new league, history would not matter, especially since they would be in for all-sports.

esayem Wrote:-Temple is a basketball school, just like UConn, Syracuse, and Cincinnati, and even Louisville was at one point. They went to last years dance, unlike two of those schools.

-If there is an even split, the Philly market is essential. Yes, they do have a bigger impact than Penn.

-The football coach is young and enthusiastic, this is not the same Temple. Since this would be a new league, history would not matter, especially since they would be in for all-sports.

Exactly

The Awfully Crappy Conference can have Temple. We'll take Judas College back.

The temple issue depends on what kind of split there is, lot of issues...i think if the 8 football school's leave they will:

1) offer ND to join them with the 3 game deal per year
2) if nd says yes, offers probably go out to Gtown and Nova + one football school for 12.

Yet, i doubt ND,gtown, and nova flip the bird to the other catholic school's so i expect them to form a catholic league but who knows. Thus, if ND and no catholic school's join up, than i do think the 8 football school's should offer temple + 1 football school and go to 10 when they break.

templefootballfan Wrote:Herd swimming, name the 10 schools east of the Mississippi that bring more to the table then Temple could.
I remember when Louv was one win team, new focus can do wonders.
No Syc fan should be critizing any body about bad FB right now.

I dont have any bad feelings about Temple. I could take then or leave them. BUt I have to say this: There are not a whole lot of fb programs that SU fans can criticize right now, but Temple would definitly be one. We have been playing really bad fb for 3 years. temple has been playing bad fb for decades. And it wont take us decades to fix it, or be threatened to be kicked out of the BE.

frogman Wrote:I think BC is busted. They spiked after the raid but they are now coming back down to earth. Temple is in a larger market that is not dominated by legendary pro teams like Boston is. Boston will always belong to the Celtics and Red Sox- first. I can say it seems like there are more UGA fans than Falcon or Hawks fans in Atlanta and there certainly are more Celtic fans than Eagles fans in Boston. Boston, like New YOrk, is a pro sports town. When you're the home of the Celtics- wouldn't you be a pro sports town.
Most of the northern states are pro sports states. The north has had pro teams for nearly 100 years (Or more for the Yankees) a lot of the pro teams are relatively new in southern states (like Memphis Grizzlies, Orlando Magic). It's tougher for a college team to be a "star" in the larger northern markets. That being what it is, it is easier for Temple to take Phil. then it is for BC to take Boston.
Temple is a better pick than BC. As a full member in the BE- it never was under Mike T or Villanova, Temple is the better bet.

If we have NYC and Phil. the rest is gravy if TV networks become the way of the future.

BC spiked because they had Matt Ryan. As I'm sure you know, historically they have been nothing special. Unless I am mistaken there last new years day bowl game was in the Flutie era

As for Temple, I know a lot of people are going to disagree with this but, if the Owls had been added for all sports like everyone else no one would have thought of them as being leeches. Temple had some very good bball teams in the early-mid 90s. I don't think there is any question they were as good as Nova in those years. If the Owl bball program had done all that with the BE logo on their unis and everyone was getting cash from there NCAA units there would have never been any talk about kicking them out

Temple could help the all sports league. Are they ever going to be Penn St in football? No? But I think they could get to the Boston College/UC level in football. I think the history of Temple basketball speaks to itself. Its also going to be very important to get our football/bball games on TV in Eastern PA/Philly if Nova is no longer with us

After the first two schools left for the ACC...this league, which was talked about, would have made a lot of sense all around:

Syracuse
Uconn
Rutgers
Boston college
Temple
Pitt
West Virginia
UC
UL

Its geographically compact, it would have been all sports and many of the major markets would have been covered

Jackson

frogman Wrote:I think BC is busted. They spiked after the raid but they are now coming back down to earth. Temple is in a larger market that is not dominated by legendary pro teams like Boston is. Boston will always belong to the Celtics and Red Sox- first. I can say it seems like there are more UGA fans than Falcon or Hawks fans in Atlanta and there certainly are more Celtic fans than Eagles fans in Boston. Boston, like New YOrk, is a pro sports town. When you're the home of the Celtics- wouldn't you be a pro sports town.
Most of the northern states are pro sports states. The north has had pro teams for nearly 100 years (Or more for the Yankees) a lot of the pro teams are relatively new in southern states (like Memphis Grizzlies, Orlando Magic). It's tougher for a college team to be a "star" in the larger northern markets. That being what it is, it is easier for Temple to take Phil. then it is for BC to take Boston.
Temple is a better pick than BC. As a full member in the BE- it never was under Mike T or Villanova, Temple is the better bet.

If we have NYC and Phil. the rest is gravy if TV networks become the way of the future.

Yankees are accustomed to their professional teams, no matter the sport. College sports haven't been big in the northeastern part of the country since Army and the Ivy League used to challenge for the national championship. That's a big reason why I say we can do without Temple. If Philadelphia is going to go in for Division 1A football, we can win over the city without the Owls.

I also think BC will have an easier time winning fans in New England than Temple would in Philly. Philly fans are the most demanding on the face of the earth. They demand perfection, and God help you if you fall short. Temple would never be good enough for them. Ask Donavan McNabb.

I remember when the whole city of Boston rooted for Doug Flutie. New Englanders are fickle, but they love the hometown boy made good story. BC could win over the city. I just hope they don't do it in the ACC.

Good post Jackson, except about BC. They didn’t just “spike” with Ryan. I don’t know the exact number, but I think they’ve been to about 6 or 7 bowls in a row, and have won them all. I think they have the longest active bowl win streak.

I’m with Michael Savage insofar as cutting through the BC hate and acknowledging they’re a solid program. Like Krocker has said, it’d be great if they saw the err of their ways.

esayem Wrote:Umm.... actually it would be a new league so no PR nightmare.

Right...try telling that to the ACC loving jackals in the media.
CJ

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:Good post Jackson, except about BC. They didn’t just “spike” with Ryan. I don’t know the exact number, but I think they’ve been to about 6 or 7 bowls in a row, and have won them all. I think they have the longest active bowl win streak.

Currently, BC is riding an wave of athletic prowess. They are on a roll ( I agree with you in that sense). However, to call tthem anything other than mediocre in the BE is incorrect. BC's Big East Conference record was 45-46-2. Not even .500. They NEVER finished in 1st or 2nd until Miami and VT left.

BC has had ONE glorious year, and that's about it.

templefootballfan Wrote:Herd swimming, name the 10 schools east of the Mississippi that bring more to the table then Temple could.
I remember when Louv was one win team, new focus can do wonders.
No Syc fan should be critizing any body about bad FB right now.

Golden and the new administration get it. Dunphy is a good coach. I'm thinking maybe a 10 team league is in our future with Temple and Memphis joining the ranks.

frogman Wrote:Temple is in a larger market that is not dominated by legendary pro teams like Boston is. Boston will always belong to the Celtics and Red Sox- first. I can say it seems like there are more UGA fans than Falcon or Hawks fans in Atlanta and there certainly are more Celtic fans than Eagles fans in Boston. Boston, like New YOrk, is a pro sports town. When you're the home of the Celtics- wouldn't you be a pro sports town.

Don't offend me, Frogman . Philly is a huge pro-sports town and college football gets no play in the media. Only Big 5 college hoops gets much publicity...it's all Eagles and Phillies...followed by Flyers and Sixers.

Orange Eagles Wrote:

frogman Wrote:Temple is in a larger market that is not dominated by legendary pro teams like Boston is. Boston will always belong to the Celtics and Red Sox- first. I can say it seems like there are more UGA fans than Falcon or Hawks fans in Atlanta and there certainly are more Celtic fans than Eagles fans in Boston. Boston, like New YOrk, is a pro sports town. When you're the home of the Celtics- wouldn't you be a pro sports town.

Don't offend me, Frogman . Philly is a huge pro-sports town and college football gets no play in the media. Only Big 5 college hoops gets much publicity...it's all Eagles and Phillies...followed by Flyers and Sixers.

What about Penn State? and Pitt. I would imagine that they get a little attention in Philly, dont they?

cuseroc Wrote:

Orange Eagles Wrote:

frogman Wrote:Temple is in a larger market that is not dominated by legendary pro teams like Boston is. Boston will always belong to the Celtics and Red Sox- first. I can say it seems like there are more UGA fans than Falcon or Hawks fans in Atlanta and there certainly are more Celtic fans than Eagles fans in Boston. Boston, like New YOrk, is a pro sports town. When you're the home of the Celtics- wouldn't you be a pro sports town.

Don't offend me, Frogman . Philly is a huge pro-sports town and college football gets no play in the media. Only Big 5 college hoops gets much publicity...it's all Eagles and Phillies...followed by Flyers and Sixers.

What about Penn State? and Pitt. I would imagine that they get a little attention in Philly, dont they?

They get their share of press. But they crucified unmercifully if they aren't a big success. That's the fate of any team followed by Philadelphia fans.

cuseroc Wrote:What about Penn State? and Pitt. I would imagine that they get a little attention in Philly, dont they?

Penn State gets a few blurbs here and there in the Inky and maybe about 30 seconds on the Saturday late local news.

Pitt definitely gets no coverage here.

It's a pro town first and foremost...just about on the same level as Boston, except, as I mentioned, with Big 5 Hoops. There's lots of media coverage for basketball, especially this year with Nova, Temple and St. Joes in the big dance.


I'm actually okay with Temple if there is a future split b/c havnig the 4th biggest market would be huge and in all sports Temple would grow and flourish in the BE. Having the Philly market is more important than adding a southern/western school

Some people have no vision. The only thing they know how to do is drink Haterade and then regurgitate it all over the walls and floor.

Obviously the first choice would be to grab Boston College if a split ever comes to pass. Having the ACC in Boston is worse for the football schools than if the ACC was in Philadelphia since the Keystone State is at least contiguous to ACC territory. But you always need to make a Plan B in case the Lying Eagles still cling to their stubborn stupidity and say no.

We have to have either Boston or Philadelphia for the purposes of television contracts, market share, geographical balance, and basketball recruiting. Maybe those things mean nothing to some fans but they mean a whole lot to the people who will actually be making decisions about the future of a post-split league. They will end up making intelligent decisions.

As far as what previous Temple administrations did, those clowns are gone, new leaders are in charge now. The new president at Temple was a college athlete and supports sports. She is the first pro-sports president there since the '80s. Let that sink in. Part of the reason Temple was so bad during their tenure in the Big East was anti-football administrations.

Golden is an up and coming young coach who can recruit extremely well and has put together a solid vision for the program that he wants to build. He even finished as the runner-up to Neuheisel for the UCLA job this winter. Professionals certainly respect him. The AD came in after the Big East boot was given and is fixing the mistakes of his horrid predecesors.

It needs to be pointed out again that Temple was merely a football-only member of the Big East before and that is not the best situation for any school. Put all of their teams in one solid all-sports conference with no interference from Villanova or disrespect from Miami and you would see different results. A new and competent administration guarantees that.

Temple would not be rejoining the Big East. Neither would Boston College for that matter. Either one of them would be joining a new league containing four teams they formerly played in the Big East with and four or more members that they did not share a league with. Schools should never make decisions based on fear of what some media morons might believe.

Lack of respect for the needs of Connecticut, Syracuse, and Rutgers also comes through in some of these opinions. Certain people keep demanding Memphis at any and all costs because that benefits their school and geographic region yet they do not give a hoot about anyone else's school, history, or region of the country. Geographic balance is not an evil concept.

Make no mistake about it, Boston College is highly preferred over Temple, but a back-up plan has to be done just in case. It also makes no sense to try upgrading a team from FCS like Massachusetts because that would only dilute an already thin New England market and neither Boston College nor Temple would disappear. So that would only hurt the existing teams.

Release the hate. Stop obsessing over old days. Boston College and Temple are both capable of overcoming their past transgressions.