tigerbham Wrote:I was told that a very well respected local high school coach in Memphis thinks that there is a possibility that we will have more than just one (Evans) one-and-done players on our team next year. Maybe that's what has Dozier's pantalones all in a wod.

Do you feel comfortable elaborating?

I'm sure the person who told me this won't mind me elaborating. It's not really secret info. Jesus Patino, White Station's coach, said that he thinks that Angel Garcia could also be a one-and-done type of player. He said he is extremely impressed with Garcia's offensive abilities. He would be playing the 4-spot.

tigerbham Wrote:I'm sure the person who told me this won't mind me elaborating. It's not really secret info. Jesus Patino, White Station's coach, said that he thinks that Angel Garcia could also be a one-and-done type of player. He said he is extremely impressed with Garcia's offensive abilities. He would be playing the 4-spot.

Thanks for the info.

Look, ya'll need to quit making stuff up. Dozier is going to the NBA or coming back for his senior year based on whether or not Dozier thinks he can make the league this year, not Ebanks or Negedu. I personally don't think he'd be drafted. I'm not sure (but he has a better chance) if he would be drafted next year. But you can always play overseas, so the senior year would be worth coming back for.

Imagine Taggart 6'11", Simpkins 6'9" (Niles, rebounder), Dozier 6'9", Anderson 6'6", and Evans 6'5" all on the floor together.

cmt Wrote:Look, ya'll need to quit making stuff up. Dozier is going to the NBA or coming back for his senior year based on whether or not Dozier thinks he can make the league this year, not Ebanks or Negedu. I personally don't think he'd be drafted. I'm not sure (but he has a better chance) if he would be drafted next year. But you can always play overseas, so the senior year would be worth coming back for.

Imagine Taggart 6'11", Simpkins 6'9" (Niles, rebounder), Dozier 6'9", Anderson 6'6", and Evans 6'5" all on the floor together.

Too many bigs on the floor for our system. Although you will probably see that a some points in the season.

cmt Wrote:Look, ya'll need to quit making stuff up. Dozier is going to the NBA or coming back for his senior year based on whether or not Dozier thinks he can make the league this year, not Ebanks or Negedu. I personally don't think he'd be drafted. I'm not sure (but he has a better chance) if he would be drafted next year. But you can always play overseas, so the senior year would be worth coming back for.

Imagine Taggart 6'11", Simpkins 6'9" (Niles, rebounder), Dozier 6'9", Anderson 6'6", and Evans 6'5" all on the floor together.

I agree. Plus, if Dozier is worried about a little competition, maybe it would be for the best that he did go ahead and leave. I don't think it's a problem though.
And while we are taking potential lineups, imagine :
Taggart 6'11, Garcia 6'11, Dozier 6'9, Anderson 6'6, Witherspoon 6'8
Could you imagine pressing with that length?

OK, maybe I am missing something here. Isn't this discussion moot at this point with Dozier not attending the Pre-Draft Camp for even the physical only event? Even the first rounders (likely lottery picks) were there yesterday for drills. Not lookin to me like Dozier is even in the draft....

tigerbham Wrote:I'm sure the person who told me this won't mind me elaborating. It's not really secret info. Jesus Patino, White Station's coach, said that he thinks that Angel Garcia could also be a one-and-done type of player. He said he is extremely impressed with Garcia's offensive abilities. He would be playing the 4-spot.

Garcia has some shortcomings for sure, but I believe even Wolken blogged about him being the best big man at the Finch last summer, so the kid obviously has game...

Has Garcia qualified academically yet? I thought the staff didn't think he would? Has that changed? Also I've read where people said they think he is among the best in the country and others say he is just a "project". Would be nice to know what the real deal is on him.

Alot of this is speculation based on Calkins and Parrish's show where they talked up rumors about Dozier not being happy over lack of support from the staff on the draft. We have never heard anything from the coaches or anybody on the inside.

Robert was all smiles in the leadup to the trip. He missed the Pre-draft camp in Orlando to be there.

I also remember sitting in the 14th row in the National Championship game in San Antonio when most of our team was struggling except Rose. And you know who stepped up in the 2nd half when we needed him? Robert Dozier. You know who got the crucial rebound with 13 seconds left when CDR missed the free throw, and kicked it out to Rose? Dozier. We had 3 players basically show up for the title game. ROse, CDR in the first half, and Dozier in the 2nd half. 11 points and 10 rebounds.

I know Rob can frustrate us at times with not finishing a play or grabbing a board, but the guy played a huge part in what should have been a national title for us.

I think he knows he isn't going to be drafted and he's coming back. Let's let the talk show hosts continue to hate on our team and players like they always do and we continue to support our guys. And make no mistake, Calkins and Parrish hate Cal and don't really care for this team so if they can find an angle and talk it up, they will do it. I don't read Calkins columns and I certainly don't listen to their show.

I do listen to Greg Gaston, Dan Wolken, and read Zags, Hoops Weiss, and others who seem to be fair and criticize when its' earned and praise when it's earned.


Just wanted to show some support for Rob, that's all.

tigerbham Wrote:I'm sure the person who told me this won't mind me elaborating. It's not really secret info. Jesus Patino, White Station's coach, said that he thinks that Angel Garcia could also be a one-and-done type of player. He said he is extremely impressed with Garcia's offensive abilities. He would be playing the 4-spot.

Always appreciate your info.

From the information and links posted here, it sure sounds as if Garcia prefers roaming the outside rather than banging inside like a power forward.

Guess the 4 spot is about the only place available for him with all our true wing players, but seems we could still use a player equipped and commited to play power forward.

JMO.

BleedsTigerBlue Wrote:

cmt Wrote:Look, ya'll need to quit making stuff up. Dozier is going to the NBA or coming back for his senior year based on whether or not Dozier thinks he can make the league this year, not Ebanks or Negedu. I personally don't think he'd be drafted. I'm not sure (but he has a better chance) if he would be drafted next year. But you can always play overseas, so the senior year would be worth coming back for.

Imagine Taggart 6'11", Simpkins 6'9" (Niles, rebounder), Dozier 6'9", Anderson 6'6", and Evans 6'5" all on the floor together.

I agree. Plus, if Dozier is worried about a little competition, maybe it would be for the best that he did go ahead and leave. I don't think it's a problem though.
And while we are taking potential lineups, imagine :
Taggart 6'11, Garcia 6'11, Dozier 6'9, Anderson 6'6, Witherspoon 6'8
Could you imagine pressing with that length?

I don't think this is an unreasonable combination at all. There are several very realistic, if not probable, combinations that would make us the longest overall team outside of China (NBA included).

While I cannot imagine why anyone would want to press with that lineup, Cal did allude to our mind-boggling size when he said we would have to play some of the four-letter word beginning with "Z." Can you imagine the terror for guards crossing the mid-court line looking at that lineup in a 3-2 or 1-2-2?

MrStripes Wrote:I did not assert all those assumptions you strung together--although I think I have read most of them on this board; however, if your string of info (or assumptions) is correct, it could make sense: If Dozier wants to play more 3 (or wing) this year, he would not want to contend with the overflow of wing strength Ebanks would bring. And now with Ebanks out of the picture, and Dozier getting more wing time, it could free up even more of a role for Negedu.

Anyone thinking Dozier can play the 3 has been under a rock the past three seaosns. His hands are like ROCKS and he can't DRIBBLE well enough to play a wing.

I think we all need to take everything GP and Geoff say with a grain of salt. They just like to stir things up

HoopDreams Wrote:

tigerbham Wrote:I'm sure the person who told me this won't mind me elaborating. It's not really secret info. Jesus Patino, White Station's coach, said that he thinks that Angel Garcia could also be a one-and-done type of player. He said he is extremely impressed with Garcia's offensive abilities. He would be playing the 4-spot.

Garcia has some shortcomings for sure, but I believe even Wolken blogged about him being the best big man at the Finch last summer, so the kid obviously has game...

he played in an all star game in portland, or a few weeks ago and underimpressed the neutral observors here in oregon.
i dint see it...just reporting the reaction in the papers.

BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:Anyone thinking Dozier can play the 3 has been under a rock the past three seaosns. His hands are like ROCKS and he can't DRIBBLE well enough to play a wing.

Dozier is actually a pretty good slasher, he just lacks the ability to finish. He lacks that ability no matter what though much of the time. He does have a problem facing his man and then taking him one on one though.

Dozier is 20 pounds away from being a great finisher.

BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:

MrStripes Wrote:I did not assert all those assumptions you strung together--although I think I have read most of them on this board; however, if your string of info (or assumptions) is correct, it could make sense: If Dozier wants to play more 3 (or wing) this year, he would not want to contend with the overflow of wing strength Ebanks would bring. And now with Ebanks out of the picture, and Dozier getting more wing time, it could free up even more of a role for Negedu.

Anyone thinking Dozier can play the 3 has been under a rock the past three seaosns. His hands are like ROCKS and he can't DRIBBLE well enough to play a wing.

Pray tell: Do you really think Dozier will play the 4 at the next level? Dozier's problem is not his skill level. He has the natural ability and with work can sharpen his skills. But he doesn't have the mentality to play the 4, even in college, much less in the pros. He avoids contact. He doesn't take the ball to the hole right through a defender's chin. He finds it difficult to finish anything at the rim. Can you imagine him against the Stoudemires, Boozers, and Wallaces, or ANY PF, in the NBA?

He better start training with a skills training guru to work on his ball-handling and shooting deficiencies because even if he adds 30 lb of solid muscle, I don't see him playing the 4 at the next level.

I too don't see Dozier being a 4 at the next level...Dozier's size and skill has always INTRIGUED everyone...I remember Danny Ainge making the statement that when Cal signed Williams, AA, Cooper and Dozier that he absolutely loved Robert Dozier and thought he had tremendous UPSIDE....Out of the 4 players at the time..Ainge thought Dozier had the most potential with his height and wingspan to make it in the NBA...

That being said...Robert IMO, needs to beef up, work hard in the gym and have a great senior season and lead us back to the NCAA Championship game....But I don't ever see Robert being a power forward at the next level....When I look at Dozier I see a Tashaun Prince type player...minus the jump shot and ball handling skills...

bruiserbrody Wrote:....But I don't ever see Robert being a power forward at the next level....When I look at Dozier I see a Tashaun Prince type player...minus the jump shot and ball handling skills...

I think he may be having similar issues at the collegiate level.

If he doesn't have the strength and bulk [or mentality] to play the 4, and doesn't have the handle or consistent jump shot to play the 3, then where in the heck will he play? Seriously