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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
First of all, I am personally offended that you would try to spin this issue into trying to make something sympathetic for your political views.

Or does it? David Davis, whom you have spoken ill of on this board, has a consistent voting record against prohibitions on animal cruelty.

Anyway, you can feed a starving horse. You can't revive a slaughtered one.

I want to know about these humane Canadian slaughterhouses. You claim to be a smart man. Doesn't that strike you as an oxymoron? Or are you truly that dense?

Tell me what's humane against putting 19 horses into a single trailer and taking them to be killed. Really. I want to know again.

The main point of my issue, however, was slaughtering race horses. Truly, I do not think this is legitimate.

Basically, I think if you're going to have a race horse you need to figure out how to care for it for its life. A sport that slaughters its losers is barbaric.

Any questions?
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
OH, and LET'S GO PENS!
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
What are you talking about? I only posted that article as an "FYI" thing. I made no endorsement or anything concerning it. I have stayed out of this debate, and plan on continuing to do so.
I am not trying to "spin" anything. To be honest, I didn't carefully read the whole thing. I have no 'horse' in this race, and don't understand why you think I do, simply by posting an "FYI" article. Methinks you are attributing things/thoughts to me that aren't mine; in fact, I'm sure of it. I was only giving a link to a possibly relevant article.
I certainly have no inclination to encourage or allow "animal cruelty"; in fact, quite the opposite.

Any questions? (Your apology, although not required, shall be accepted with no hard feelings...........)
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
You post articles without reading them, then try to take a high road?
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
I've collected my emotions now and would like to comment.

I know you just thought you'd post an article, but I saw some serious flaws in the article, which I'll get to in a moment.

My main focus here is race horses. The reason is as I stated before was that there is a great innocence to horse racing.

Sports lends itself to idolization. We idolize our favorite athletes.

There is something very right about humans idolizing throughbreds. It is like we are recognizing one of God's creatures.

The horror is that in some instances we are taking the creature we idolized and KILLING IT!

I love sports. Now, as the public becomes more aware of this practice, it only stands to reason that horse racing, as a sport, will lose popularity (rightly so). It is simply barbaric that you kill the losers- and I don't care what species the "loser" happens to be.

That's my focus here. I also really have had some soul checking. I spent years writing sports in Wheeling and Pittsburgh and feel as if I could have done more to shed light on this and perhaps discouraged the practice of slaughtering the losers.

I just didn't know. Thankfully, it's not to late for me to create awareness, and not just on this board.

There are many ways to end the practice of killing the losers, adoption policies at the tracks, allowing losing horses to race more (as I said, no reason why No Day Off couldn't have run in a Maiden race). A practice in the industry that if a track can no longer support a horse because it is uncompetitive, a plan for the rest of its days must be laid out from the very beginning.

To show you what I felt about this, when I was watching the hockey game from Mellon Arena I saw an ad on the boards for the Mountaineer Race Track. Big of a Pens fan as I am, there is a part of me that says "Serves 'em right to lose for accepting that ad."

Horse racing is a wonderful sport, but it needs more discipline and regulation- obviously.

That's my main focus here, not so much on the abandoned horses out west the article deals with.

Still, I feel as if that article was VERY short sighted.

For instance, it seems to push for the slaughtering of these horses that are starving.

Did anyone happen to come to the common sense realization that a starving horse probably isn't good eating? What kind of meat would it even have on its bones?

In this case, the sad truth is probably euthanasia. Those horses are sick, and like one with a broken leg need to be put out of their misery if rehabilitation is not possible.

This goes along the lines of what the humane society is for.

To argue for the slaughter of these former pets out west is to argue to make money on suffering.

We're America. You're not supposed to do that here.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
I wasn't doing any "arguing" for any point of view or "side". "You guys" were having a discussion, and I just posted an article of some possible relevance. I read probably 90% of it, but not with total comprehension - because, like I said, I was just posting it in light of a pre-existing and ongoing discussion.

The only "high road" I was taking is that I was innocent of ANY editorial comment whatsoever; I was not expressing ANY opinion. That's why I was careful to note it as an "FYI" piece - that's all.

Your critcisms were completely off-base and unwarranted, not to mention wrong in that you jumped to the incorrect conclusion that those were *my* opinions. In fact, I essentially agree with your outrage, but am mystified as to how you couldn't know some of this already. SI did an extensive article on same (although also focusing on use of painkillers), oh, back in the '70s, if I recall; front page, again, if I recall correctly. 60 Minutes (I think) also did an expose at some point, maybe in the early '80s?

As expected, apparently no apology will be forthcoming from you, and that's fine. Glad you have a soft spot in your heart for animals.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
Forgive me for not reading Sports Illustrated before I was of an age to know how to read or not watching 60 Minutes religiously when I was 10.

Could you please tell me what it was like listening to Bill Stern call sporting events?
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
You ask forgiveness for the those things - and yet not for the false accusations?

And btw, those were only two examples; this has not been some giant secret, at least not to those who follow horses.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:You ask forgiveness for the those things -


What are you talking about?

I could print false accusations you have made on me.

Look, you have turned a thread about something I care deeply about into your usual "I'm so much smarter than anyone else" rant.

I hope you are satisfied, and if you won't tell us about what it was like to listen to a game Bill Stern called- perhaps you can tell us about watching John Schommer play.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
Or Man O' War race, since you're into horse racing so much.

Personally, I'd like you to be a bit more contemporary and tell us about Syl Apps Sr., but that's just me.
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Quote:posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:
You ask forgiveness for the those things -


What are you talking about?

This:

Quote:Forgive me for not reading Sports Illustrated before I was of an age to know how to read or not watching 60 Minutes religiously when I was 10.

Gee.......it was only the preceding post. I would think you could read back that far.


Quote:I could print false accusations you have made on me.

No, I don't think so.

And no, I will not join you in your irrelevant tangents. *You* are the one constantly throwing in references that having nothing to do with the issue(s) at hand. Ocassionally one will connect and make sense, but by-and-large you like to do that in an attempt to impress someone (I can't imagine who) with your knowledge. Other posters have called you on this, too, but this is the first time I've done so, after years of watching it go on. There is little doubt you *do* possess more historical knowledge than many, including many sportwriters - and that's a good thing. That's part of what your talent is - you see connections and know a good deal of sports history. You sometimes *can* contextualize an event or a situation with relevance. ..........However, for the most part your (often obscure and tangental) references are done with a misguided attempt to impress on this board - and they fall flat.
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First of all, I don't need a critique from yourself, especially when your last post begins by posting nonsense.

I will congratulate you on not hyphening every word you write.

Again, forgive me for not knowing about pieces completed more than 25 years ago. Perhaps horse racing can point to them for their demise (rightfully so) in its popularity.

But, this was orginally about praising Kenny Hawkins, and he didn't know about them, either.

Neither did anyone on this board.

And, by the way, can you tell me the writer of the SI article you are speaking of?

Perhaps a date or a title?

Since its such common knowledge and I'm too much of an idiot to know.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
The first part of my last post indeed *was* nonsense - but only because your question prompting it was initially. You asked "What are you talking about?", when the previous post was pretty clear.

I use hyphenation correctly, and when it's supposed to be used, thank you.

You are forgiven for not knowing about the old SI article and the 60 Minutes(?) piece. And.....I will gladly forgive you for your transgressions against me in this thread, should you ever apologize.

I just spent about 10 minutes in the SI vault looking for the article, to no avail. My first thought was that William Nack wrote it, because it seems he used to write a lot of their horse stuff, but that didn't produce it. I searched through some horse racing covers. As I recall, the cover was a drawing (of a horse), not a photograph, but again it's been a while. Seems like it had a lot of brown. I've probably got it somewhere, but won't take the time to locate it now. Probably late '70s, but that's just a guess.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
Here's an article from that general time frame, but it's mostly dealing with gambling and fixing races:

"Racing's Big Scandal"

Maybe this author (Surface) had some other ones in that time frame, too. Sorry, but I really don't have time to spend on this.
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Here's one about the use of butazolidin. I think this drug was also in the story I was referring to, but am not positive:

Butazolidin story

Horse racing has always been "dirty" in one form or another. No, not all horses, owners, and trainers, but the sport lends itself to abuse because the horses themselves didn't ask for this - although noble creatures indeed, they are often just pawns for the selfish desires of humans.........

That's the end of my search, unless I happen by accident to come across the original article.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
Thank you for the article.

And come to think of it, I could read in 1978.

But it was more Dr. Seuss than Sports Illustrated at that age.
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And evidently, you're still on Dr. Suess.

That article was about drugging in horse racing, not the destruction of horses after their days.
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
Uh......I'm aware of that, and I do believe my post so stated.......

Now let me get back to my green eggs and ham.....
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RE: MEDIA WATCH- May 30- KUDOS TO KENNY HAWKINS- BUT NUTS TO . . .
So why in the world would you bring up a 30-year-old Sports Illustrated article that has nothing to do with the subject at hand?

Other than-

"I'm smarter than everyone on the board. I will try to make a reference to a 30-year-old Sports Illustrated article in the hopes that people will think I'm smart. So there!"

By this time, the only two people reading this thread are you and I.

And you're not impressing me.

So, that said, started some additional research on this topic of killing race horses and hope to do some bigger things with it to spread awareness.
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